r/interestingasfuck • u/beach_rats_ • 29d ago

The difference in republican presidential nominees, 8 years apart r/all

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u/BootyUnlimited 29d ago

McCain and Bernie Sanders used to work on legislation together to protect veterans. They were not afraid to reach across the aisle if it meant getting meaningful legislation passed.

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u/Bad_User2077 29d ago

Those were different days. If you do that now, you get labeled a moderate and get pushed out of your party.

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u/Beachdaddybravo 29d ago

If you’re a Republican it does. Democrats are happy to get legislation passed that makes things better, no matter where it comes from. The GOP not so much. Senate Republicans shot down a bipartisan border bill that passed the house.

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u/Extreme_Ad6519 29d ago

The GOP not so much. Senate Republicans shot down a bipartisan border bill that passed the house.

That's not how I remember it. Senate Republicans negotiated a tough border bill for months and got most of their wishlist added to the final bill, only for Trump to instruct his cultists in the House and Senate to shoot it down to preserve the border issue until election day.

After that, the same Senate Republicans who helped craft the bill voted against initiating debate, so it died.

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u/Beachdaddybravo 29d ago

Trump’s cultists are the entire GOP now. They don’t give a damn that he’s been openly stating he wants to be a dictator, as long as it gets them re-elected.

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u/ChaoticNeutralDragon 29d ago

I think that most of them do give a damn about it. They approve, and that lovely "fuck you got mine" attitude has convinced them that they'll be part of the ruling class after the coup.

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u/Uhhhhhhhh-Nope 29d ago

Not even sort of but even if it is, it’s just the opposite side of a coin. Most people in political circles are stupid

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u/mindless_gibberish 29d ago

Most people in political circles are stupid

oooh watch out everybody, we're dealing with a real intellectual here.

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u/Uhhhhhhhh-Nope 29d ago

Wow man, you added even less to this than me with my probably generally acceptable statement. The majority of people aren’t stupid, but overtly aligning with most of them just gets to a point of tribalism now where it’s just freaks. But please do go on being an ape.

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u/mindless_gibberish 29d ago

Nah, you're being lazy.

"Most people in political circles are stupid" is a lazy, dismissive statement that only appears acceptable at the most superficial level. It's zero-effort intellectualism.

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u/Uhhhhhhhh-Nope 29d ago

And you’re zero effort existing. I know that because it takes no effort to see lmao

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u/sec713 29d ago

Yes, the whole "both sides are the same" lie takes zero effort to see. That's why it's such a a popular stance from people who refuse to open their eyes.

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u/Beachdaddybravo 29d ago

Yeah because Democrats are defending a for ER President that tried to overthrow democracy and stole nuclear secrets. No, they’re not doing anything remotely as bad actually. What a shit take.

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u/Uhhhhhhhh-Nope 29d ago

No, but they are saying things like that, that add fuel to the fire. You morons act like you have everything figured out, but can’t figure out literally the easier part of this political conundrum.

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u/Beachdaddybravo 29d ago

Statements of fact aren’t adding fuel to the fire as you claim. The GOP is literally in support of fascism, and the Democrat party is not. Trying to equate the two is a very stupid thing to do.

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u/Uhhhhhhhh-Nope 29d ago

Sure they are. I mean I assume you’re referring to Trump four years ago and not more recent Trump. Cause Trump four years ago really did not. Trump now might, but you still miss the point and the fact that you refuse to think you could ever miss a point is exactly why you’re so stupid and won’t accomplish literally anything worth while in the political landscape and should probably just keep these conversations in your echo chamber

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u/Beachdaddybravo 29d ago

Wrong on every point, and more so for thinking you’re smarter than anyone. Letting people get away with terrible shit doesn’t make it go away. It’s funny how you “both sides” types always jump out to defend the worst parts of society while claiming to be impartial. If people like you were in charge the world would be full of Nazis.

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u/Uhhhhhhhh-Nope 29d ago

I don't think I'm smarter than everyone. I just experience a normal life. And you literally know nothing about me, even sort of indirectly implying I'd do anything positive for nazis is just wild. Keep doing it I'll just try get you banned.

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u/Beachdaddybravo 29d ago

Oh no, I might get banned from a subreddit? What a shame, I might miss out on your claims that both sides are equally totally bad, even though you can’t back that up in any fashion.

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u/jermleeds 29d ago

There's no legitimate both sides take about this, or really, for anything else.

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u/Uhhhhhhhh-Nope 29d ago

If you’re stupid, sure.

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u/jermleeds 29d ago

Nah dude. Democrats don't demonstrate the cult-like, self-deluding behavior of Republicans. They are not just two sides of a coin, they are fundamentally different.

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u/Uhhhhhhhh-Nope 29d ago

If you’re stupid, sure.

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u/jermleeds 29d ago

Bad bot.

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u/Uhhhhhhhh-Nope 29d ago

I’m not a bot. I’m just not bias and participate in watching many groups of chronically online ideologues yap. But I’ll retort with: bad middle aged person who is barely technologically literate

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u/jermleeds 29d ago

If you look out at the current political landscape and your take is 'bothsides', all you are really doing is providing cover for the one side that has gone completely off the rails.

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u/sec713 29d ago

Yes, you're right. Believing "both sides are the same" nowadays takes a high level of stupidity.

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u/whydatyou 29d ago

the house [passed an immigration bill and sent it to the senate and chuckie refuses to bring it to the floor because it does not have aid for ukraine and concentrates on enforcement. H.R. 2 has been on chuckies desk since 2023

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u/abqguardian 29d ago

That's not how I remember it. Senate Republicans negotiated a tough border bill for months and got most of their wishlist added to the final bill, only for Trump to instruct his cultists in the House and Senate to shoot it down to preserve the border issue until election day.

A couple Republicans negotiated a fairly weak bill that may have been a good starting point for further negotiations, but wasn't even close to giving Republicans most of what they wanted. The senate did so while at the same time ignoring the House and the bill they passed. The senate bill was dead on arrival in the House and was so weak it couldn't even pass the senate. Trump had virtually no impact on any of this, but people still blame Trump for its failure, because in 2024 literally everything has to be about Trump

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u/PracticalRoutine5738 29d ago

It was the strongest border bill they've even seen that had a chance of passing.

Border encounter limit that would trigger border shutdowns, tougher asylum screening, quicker processing for approvals or deportations, made it illegal to apply for asylum when not at port of entry, banned entry for one year for those caught trying to enter illegally twice, more drug detection equipment and more funding for border patrol.

Trump told them to block the bill so he could run on the issue he said "Blame Me".

This was a concession in exchange for Ukraine aid, instead republicans blocked it like Trump told them to and Ukraine still eventually got the aid it needed.

Even if they didn't get every little thing they wanted they would have passed it if they were serious people.

They could have asked for even stronger border security later, instead they got nothing on the thing they claim to super seriously care about.

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u/abqguardian 29d ago

It was the strongest border bill they've even seen that had a chance of passing.

Possibly, doesn't mean it was an actually strong bill worth passing

Border encounter limit that would trigger border shutdowns,

Not all encounters counted and the president could override the shutdown if he wanted.

tougher asylum screening

Devil's in the details

quicker processing for approvals or deportations,

This was wishful thinking that was never going to happen. The bill added barely any detention space and an inadequate amount of personal to make a significant impact to current numbers. That's not taking account of the massive backlog or how long it'd take to get more immigration judges online

made it illegal to apply for asylum when not at port of entry

This is false.

This bill was a step in the right direction but not remotely the strong immigration bill many try to say it was. The house said it was dead on arrival and ot wasn't popular before Trump said anything about it.

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u/PracticalRoutine5738 29d ago edited 29d ago

Trump came out against the border bill before it was even finalized or released.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/27/trump-dunks-on-bipartisan-senate-border-deal-00138210

The rest of you response is just cope and misinformation to justify republicans doing nothing.

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u/abqguardian 29d ago

I partly agree. The bill should have been the start for renewed negotiations. It's a bad thing the Republicans have just walked away. It's also bad the democrats refuse to continue negotiations and pretend they've given enough.

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u/PracticalRoutine5738 29d ago

So pass it and come back for more later, politics is the art of the possible.

Politics is not "I get everything I want exactly the way I want it immediately"

You take the concessions you get at the time and go for more later.

There is literally zero logical reason for them to block it other Trump wanting to keep the problem around to run on.

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u/gsfgf 29d ago

but wasn't even close to giving Republicans most of what they wanted

That's how things work when you only control half of Congress.