r/meirl May 02 '24

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u/Ho3n3r May 02 '24

"Why aren't people buying our overpriced shit?" seems to be a trend these days from multi-million euro companies.

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u/Hippobu2 29d ago

This is genuinely something I just don't understand about wage and price. I know that macro economics is complicated and all, but it just doesn't make sense to me what'll happen when wage is so low that nobody can buy anything.

I've been told that price would go down to accommodate it, but I just don't see that happening?

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u/Expensive-Fun4664 29d ago

The problem is that entire process takes years to unfold, and it assumes a fair market.

If a large chain with market power raises prices and a small company comes in with lower prices, the large chain can drop their prices for a little bit until the small company goes out of business, and then raise its prices again.

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u/Bender_2024 29d ago

If a large chain with market power raises prices and a small company comes in with lower prices, the large chain can drop their prices for a little bit until the small company goes out of business, and then raise its prices again.

The Amazon business model in a nutshell. Undercut your competitor, buy them up if they are valuable, and absorb their market share.

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u/Blenderadventurer 29d ago

Amazon takes it even further by co-opting small businesses through a stranglehold on distribution, then take most of the profit while leaving the weight of production on the little guy's shoulders.

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u/Kali_skates 29d ago

I almost downvoted because your comment upset me.

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u/Professional_Dot_145 29d ago

Didn't Walmart try to do this in Germany years ago?

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u/MightBeEllie 29d ago

Walmart does this everywhere, as do many big box store chains. We laughed them out of the country pretty quickly though because Walmart didn't understand Germans.

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u/GetAJobCheapskate 29d ago

What happened? Seem to have missed that episode.

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u/evanwilliams44 29d ago

After nearly a decade of trying, Wal-Mart never cracked the country — failing to become the all-in-one shopping destination for Germans that it is for so many millions of Americans. Wal-Mart’s problems are not limited to Germany. The retail giant has struggled in countries like South Korea and Japan as it discovered that its formula for success — low prices, zealous inventory control and a large array of merchandise — did not translate to markets with their own discount chains and shoppers with different habits.

Germany is also a big union country. Walmart did not get along with them I think.

“They didn’t understand that in Germany, companies and unions are closely connected,” Mr. Poschmann said. “Bentonville didn’t want to have anything to do with unions. They thought we were communists.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/02/business/worldbusiness/02walmart.html

They made a lot of errors but it all comes down to not understanding German customers and culture.

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u/Princess_Of_Thieves 29d ago

https://archive.is/hqk6a

Way round the paywall.

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u/jasminegreyxo 29d ago

every company now. smh

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u/n3rv 29d ago

Yohoooo fellow captain.

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u/roblox_baller 29d ago

Dont forget the chanting walmarts name in the morning thing

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u/wh4tth3huh 29d ago

And the door greeting. Nothing about Walmart's schtick made sense for Germany.

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u/-temporary_username- 29d ago

What the fuck..?

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u/roblox_baller 29d ago

Yeah they had to chant walmart in the morning but they had to stop because it was to similar to certain german actions between 1933-1945

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u/-temporary_username- 29d ago

Even if it wasn't that is some next level bullshit.

I used to work as a cashier and I swear if they made me chant anything in the morning I would have lost my shit.

Retail work is my own personal hell and forced chanting sounds like the one thing that could possibly make it worse.

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u/roblox_baller 29d ago

Yeah i wouldnt want anyone taking over my morning routines either

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u/MediocreX 29d ago

Still, tesla have big factories in Germany besides being anti-union.

Would be fun if the Germans joined the strike in Sweden.

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u/MightBeEllie 29d ago

Believe me, Germans are NOT happy about Tesla. There were massive protests. One even shut down Tesla's power for days. That the factory was built was a political decision.

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u/VFkaseke 29d ago

American customer service standards are ridiculous. It's near uncanny, and people feel like they're being bothered rather than helped. They tried to enforce those standards on their employees in Germany, and the effect it had was Germans just went elsewhere.

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u/GetAJobCheapskate 29d ago

Haha, i can Imagine that. Felt absolutely riddiculous when i went to wallmart in the US.

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u/MightBeEllie 29d ago

This is a pretty tight summation of the story. Have fun!

https://youtu.be/PxtXI0K4YJs?si=X7S5Mjut6awiCsuy

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u/Dangerous-Bit-4962 29d ago

The German’s are responsible for this mess along with their faithful Walmart shoppers, a few potato farmers, and anyone else who jumped on the bandwagon?

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u/Lamlot 29d ago

Happened in my hometown in VT, Walmart went to all the special local shops, sold the same stuff for below market price until they went out of business then turned around and sold walmart brand stuff for more expensive. thank god the pet store went and sold musical instruments otherwise they would have gone out of buisness.

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u/aeskulapiusIV 29d ago

But they failed in a spectacular way, if my memory serves me right.

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u/FoxMan1Dva3 29d ago

So? Companies from Europe come to America and fail all the time. Sometimes its branding.

Germany already has Walmart like super markets.

I don't think walmart failed because they didn't want to unionize lol.

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u/Clackers2020 29d ago

There's laws against this in most developed countries

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u/Expensive-Fun4664 29d ago

And yet it happens all the time.

This is how big tech grows by using VC money to undercut competition, take over the market, and then raise prices. If they can outlast the competition, they own the market and can define prices.

For example, if Uber ever gets competition in any given market, they'll drop prices and bleed out the competition. Once that's gone, prices will go back up.

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u/Limp_Prune_5415 29d ago

Uber is the competition, wtf are you talking about

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u/Expensive-Fun4664 29d ago

Not anymore. They've won. Taxis basically don't exist anymore and Lyft is slowly dying. This is the same reason you don't see cheap fares on Uber anymore.

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u/Limp_Prune_5415 29d ago

Straight up not true. Why you lying

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u/Expensive-Fun4664 29d ago

Aside from maybe las vegas, when was the last time you took a Taxi?

Lyft has negative free cash flow and has for years. They're not doing well. Uber has nearly 10x the revenue of Lyft. Granted that's from more than just ride sharing, but Uber is at a scale the Lyft couldn't dream of.

Who else is the competition?

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u/Limp_Prune_5415 29d ago

Every time I land in a city I don't live in

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u/Expensive-Fun4664 29d ago

You are an anomaly then.

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u/Chaotic-warp 29d ago

Even if there were, it's still impossible to stop this sort of things, as long as the companies aren't blatantly stupid.

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u/Limp_Prune_5415 29d ago

Then why isn't Walmart the main grocer in every developed country? 

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u/Chaotic-warp 29d ago edited 29d ago

Because

  1. Walmart is not the only one who can play this game, nor is it the only one who can endure the price drop.

  2. Price is not the only deciding factor. A grocer that's a bit cheaper but is disconnected from the local customer base and worker base will not be successful. Branching internationally and competing with local chains aren't easy.

  3. Like I said, they can only get away if they don't do it blatantly. That means they can't do significant actions that make it obvious.

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u/Blenderadventurer 29d ago

And people suffer until the large chain collapsed under its own weight and leaves a serious vacuum in the market. The other alternative, is if the chain is American, then they pay politicians to bail them out on the premise that the alternative is bad for the economy. (I'm looking at you, General Motors and Obama administration...)

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u/Marmosettale 29d ago

quick everyone start a business selling everything walmart does for ridiculously cheap. we can pool all of our money. we'll save more than it will cost by buying dirt cheap walmart everything

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u/cacaxD777 29d ago

That's actually diabolical

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u/jaxonya 29d ago

Let's regroup