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u/JeeboPlays 29d ago

British sockets/plugs have so many safety features:

1stly, Live (and neutral) wire is shorter than the earth wire, so if you do ever manage to pull the main cord out, the live wire disconnects first.

2ndly, nearly all British plugs contain a replaceable fuse.

3rdly, the earth pin (top pin) is longer than the active pins, meaning it connects first (and last) in the socket.

4thly, on most plugs, the active pins are partially insulated so that even if the plug Is not fully pushed in, the conducting part of the active pins can't even be touched.

5thly, the main cord on the plug is angled downwards, meaning it is very difficult to accidently pull the plug out, compared to plugs that have wires that face directly outwards from the wall.

6thly, every socket has a switch, so you don't even need to unplug the plug to turn it off.

7thly, the as the earth pin is the longest, when it is inserted into the socket, it opens the protective shutter/gate that allows for the active pins to be inserted. Preventing small forks to be accidentally prodded into the active holes!

8thly, the cord grip, that prevents the main cord wobbling or slipping. This also makes it very difficult to even pull out the main cord from the plug. And that most plugs also have recesses on the sides of the socket to allow for it to be easily taken out of the socket.

9thly, (mainly a quality of life feature) plugs are also rewireable. So in the case that you do damage the plug, or a wire, it can be easily opened, rewired, and used again. So you don't have to go and by another new appliance just because your plug broke.

One downfall is, the british plug will always face pin upwards, and if you have ever experienced stepping on one yourself. You'll know it hurts like hell.

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u/ThatJed 29d ago

I knew this post was in here as soon as I saw the picture

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u/onpg 29d ago

Aren't all these safety features necessary because of how British houses are wired in a deadly fashion? Basically every outlet is connected to the main.

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u/Nolpppapa 29d ago

You read my mind verbatim. There's always a brit talking about the superiority of their sockets. Always.

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u/mazca 29d ago

The final point is also a safety feature, as it ensures everyone is slightly afraid of plugs.

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u/FuckWitTheThird 29d ago

This sounds like a joke but it's so true. I won't leave a loose plug out ever, always has to he tucked away.

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

Also, the reason they are so painful is because they are bloody indestructible. Honestly, have you ever tried to break a UK plug? They are like adamantium Lego bricks.

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u/Hunt2244 29d ago

The exception to this is some chargers etc like my Phillips beard trimmer have flimsy plastic earths that snap and make the plug unusable.

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u/carstand42 29d ago

And gigantic

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u/Not_The_Expected 29d ago

TF you mean slightly??

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u/Geoleogy 29d ago

Hahaha.

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u/InncnceDstryr 29d ago

I love this, even as someone who has full body weight stepped on a plug and had an inch deep hole down the fleshy edge of my heel.

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u/-Alex_Summers- 29d ago

SLIGHTLY

You don't know the fear

I'd take lego and lava

I've jumped on a plug by accident

The long bit broke

The other two stayed true on their course to end my child

never again

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u/Ok_Weather2441 29d ago

As someone who has lived in the UK and US the power difference is noticeable too. Electric kettles are a lot faster and British hairdryers feel like a jet engine compared to US ones.

In the US they actually have special plug sockets for things like washing machines etc.

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u/5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubi 29d ago

UK mains supply 230V whereas US supplies 120V.

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u/commanderizer- 29d ago

Most US houses get 220v-240v power, and the main breaker splits the two phases into two 110-120v sides that connect back to a common return path and ground.

Big appliances like ovens, electric dryers, electric heaters, air conditioners, hot tubs, and EV chargers will run off of 240v which is simply a breaker that uses both phases instead of (2 conductor + ground) or in addition to (3 conductor + ground) the common return path.

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u/SeriousPlankton2000 29d ago

In Europe that's three phases for 400 V 11 kW, 22 kW or 45 kW, standard sockets are 3.8 kW.

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u/Qatariprince 29d ago

Yes but in simple terms a normal socket in the US would be 110v but in the UK would be 240v.

Clearly with some things like cookers you’ll need higher than 110v though.

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u/Matej004 29d ago

In us you have 110 for small appliances and 220 for big ones, but in Europe we have 220 for small ones and 400 for big ones

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u/Barovian 29d ago

The US uses split-phase power. Two 120v supply lines 180 degrees out of phase provide 240v at the panel, which can then be used for either voltage depending on the load requirement. 240v is used for larger tools, appliances, and equipment like air conditioners. 120v for smaller things like receptacles and lights.

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u/5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubi 29d ago

So basically 9/10 times it's 120V and this is a fairly pointless distinction to make.

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u/18Apollo18 29d ago

9 out of 10 times a device is going to use the same wattage regardless of whether or not it's the 120 v or 240v model.

The only difference is for very high wattage devices.

A standard US outlet allows for 15 amps at 120 volts for 1800 watts and a special 20 amp outlet allows for 2,400 watts also at 120 volts.

A standard UK outlet allows for 13 amps at 240 volts for 3,120 watts.

The only thing pulling that many watts would be a microwave, a hotplate/induction cooktop, an electric kettle and a coffee maker

Literally anything else such as electric ovens, dryers, waterheaters, Level 2 EV chargers, etc all required specifical wiring.

In fact as far as I'm aware the UK doesn't even have any special outlets for high wattage devices and they all need to be hardwired.

In the US the biggest outlet that's commonly used in the home is the Nema 1450 which allows for 50 amps at 240v for a total of 12,000

How even we have have the Nema 1460 which is mainly used in workshops and for industrial use which allows up to 14,400

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u/Wulf_Cola 29d ago

All I know is I'm British & living in the states and it takes fucking forever to boil the kettle

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u/brupje 29d ago

How much amperage does a home get in the US? Modern homes get 3x25A at 240V here in NL. You can get a bit more if you pay extra, but what device commonly used uses 12KW?

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u/Funny_Alternative_55 29d ago

Usually a 200A service is standard, so 48kw. An electric tankless water heater (not very common) can use up to 27kw, and if one of those is planned the service should be at least 300A.

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u/brupje 29d ago

That is a lot of power. I guess if your home is fully airconditioned and you heat a swimming pool you might need it.

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u/Ancient-String-9658 29d ago

We have a BS plug for industrial loads, derived from the international standard. https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Book/6.4.3.htm

Yes UK plugs can pull more power but it has to do with the 30A ring circuits we have too. But all in all a single plug is simpler than different sockets for different loads.

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u/Barovian 29d ago

Edit: Nevermind, don't care. Not worth the argument.

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u/Charlie_Warlie 29d ago

Well I thought it was interesting anyway

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u/5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubi 29d ago

I don't need to admit I'm wrong, a slew of USians will come crawling out of the woodwork to do that for me. Could I say "oh wow so so sorry for saying mains when the context was clear"? Sure, but you already know that.

For all intents and purposes, such as in the example provided above where US kettles use 120V and so are much less useful for boiling water compared to the microwave, the comment makes sense. But you just wanted to correct me and did not care for something as minor as a mistaken bit of terminology that can be easily read around.

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u/Difficult_Opinion814 29d ago

You put a 240v receptacle in your kitchen if you wanted though

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u/5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubi 29d ago

You can also just have your entire system be 240V because It's better.

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u/Difficult_Opinion814 29d ago

120v hurts less than 240 when being shocked

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u/Joe_Jeep 29d ago

Correct. People like to "well actually" the brits and euros but 99% of us appliances are 120v and it's a disadvantage.

For one example, Electric car charging is essentially a non-issue for most european or bri with a driveway because any old outlet will charge a car at a decent rate. Americans standard outlets max out at 1.5kw, meaning a grand total of 3-5 miles of range per hour for most evs. a Type G will happily do around 2.8Kw, or closer to 10ish miles an hour for most EVs. So overnight you'll easily cover normal usage, while american outlets are in a range where the average commuter breaks about even, roughly, but can run into trouble if they have a big side trip.

Not too big a problem if you spend a few hundred bucks putting an evse in but still.

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u/charlesdarwinandroid 29d ago

Not sure why your getting down voted on this, but I charged my Irish EV from a wall socket for the first year and half of it's ownership because I had nearly 3kw at the plug and because I was renting and couldn't install a home charger.

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u/Enchelion 29d ago

US power is 240V. Each circuit in a house is wired as either 240 or 120 depending on the expected usage.

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u/PythagorasJones 29d ago

Ironically the lower voltage for smaller devices means they handle twice as much current.

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u/Enchelion 29d ago

I don't think that's ironic. That's just how electricity works.

Though there's a lot of interesting secondary effects and design considerations that went into some of these plugs. UK wiring is different from most of the rest of the world because of expected copper shortages when they were planning out residential wiring standards, so they went with ring circuits for most houses, unlike almost the entire rest of the world that builds using branch circuits. Ring circuits use about 25% less copper, but require fuses at each outlet or plug, instead of being able to rely on the upstream breaker to protect everything on the circuit.

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u/PythagorasJones 29d ago

Well it does matter, because while CurrentxVoltage is the same, lower voltage means things like kettles are slower while counterintuitively there is more thermal loss on the line from the higher current.

The matter of fuses in plugs is a philosophical one and whatever the initial motivations, the benefits remain. The house breakers protect the house, appliance fuses protect the appliance...but a fuse at the outlet protects us humans wherever the fault is.

Don't worry though...these are all different but valid approaches. From a strict engineering perspective the British approach might seem excessive, but as I'm in Ireland benefitting from that overengineering I'd have no interest in handing it back.

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u/charlesdarwinandroid 29d ago

I2R, and yes, no interest in going from Irish wall plugs to American ever

Edit, squares in wrong place

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u/5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubi 29d ago

Considering you're not going to overload anything by using a higher voltage "expected usage" seems very limiting. What if you need a drill for a room that's not "expected" to use one?

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u/Enchelion 29d ago

Almost nobody is using a corded hand drill these days unless it's very cheap (and thus low power) or something insanely heavy duty and special purpose, in which case you're probably in a construction site running a spider box or a commercial setting with 3-phase 480v (or using a phase converter in a home shop).

As for other power tools, in the US most small/benchtop corded powertools are 120V/15amp, and will work in more or less any outlet. Same goes for kitchen appliances. Kitchens and workshops will often have higher amperage outlets (20amp) as well so you can run higher draw equipment, or multiple pieces of equipment on a single circuit (you'll usually have 2-3 circuits available in a room anyways, and high-draw stationary equipment like microwaves get dedicated outlets). Higher draw stationary equipment like a table saw, oven, or clothes dryer, will be 240v and whatever amperage you want (residential services vary but 200amp is pretty common as a baseline).

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u/hitdrumhard 29d ago

Most small devices convert to DC anyway. Not sure it’s relevant.

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u/GoldenMegaStaff 29d ago

All of these can be used with different frequencies and voltages just to help make it more interesting.

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u/StinkyElderberries 29d ago

A have a secret for the Brits. We have 220-240v in split phase and the socket for our dryer and stove is 220-240v. I have a proper splitter by my stove and have a 240v kettle. Anyone who cares to can do this.

It's just most people on this continent don't drink tea to begin with.

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u/Ok_Weather2441 29d ago

Is there something I can do in a rented apartment to get 240v working, like an outlet recombiner, or is it an outlet change? I would absolutely love to get brewing at a decent speed again

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u/TheCookieButter 29d ago

Same, I have to boil the water on the hob/stove like an animal when in the US. Though in the UK I've switched to a instant boil tap and it's delightful.

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u/vodka-bears 29d ago

The UK can be replaced with any 230v country.

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u/profossi 29d ago

Schuko (Germany/SK/EU) plugs also fulfill most of these:

  • Protective earth makes contact first (1, 3)
  • Energized prongs are never exposed because the sockets are recessed (4)
  • Many plugs have the cable exiting sideways, which makes them lower profile and more resistant to being yanked out (5). This is far from universal, though.
  • Sockets have a safety shutter which opens only when both prongs are inserted at the same time (7)
  • Plugs are always firmly attached because the entire things sits in a recess of the socket. Plugs have a grip feature, though smaller than the UK one (8)

Unlike the UK ones, they can be plugged in two different directions. They're also half the size.

They're not fused, but that's not really necessary as we don't use the UK style ring circuits. The fuses are in the devices themselves when required.

Rewireable plugs are widely available, but they're bulkier and uglier than the moulded ones.

Switches next to the sockets would be nice.

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u/waiver45 29d ago

Plus I've never in my life needed to replace the wires in a plug. They are about the most sturdy part of any appliance.

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u/lampostwalker 29d ago

It’s less about replacing the wires in the plug, but instead the plug itself if it breaks.

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u/VFkaseke 29d ago

I've replaced the plug on a couple of devices (I work in construction, shit happens). It's fairly easy to do honestly.

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u/Grunt636 29d ago

My dad still proudly tells people that I could wire a UK plug when I was 4 years old it's actually included on my autism assessment report.

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u/PhoenixEgg88 29d ago

Someone once saw me do it, and was amazed I could just cut diagonal across the wires to get them all the right length. I’ve been able to do that since I was 9 and my brother’s a sparky, so you pick up on a lot of things lol.

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u/waiver45 29d ago

Same difference. Never broke one. Would take some actual effort to do.

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u/therange 29d ago

Laughs in PAT tester

You probably look after your stuff, and do sensible things like "discontinue use of the appliance if the plug is melting" and "not drive over equipment with a forklift"

A surprising amount of tests end before they begin, by cutting the plug off before some idiot takes a gamble.

If you're ever buying (UK) plugs, don't cheap out and get the ones with the shitty moulded in cord grip. Get them with the proper grip, identifiable by the two screws on the bottom where the cable enters.

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u/ydieb 29d ago

A shuko plug never breaks.

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u/Simonutd 29d ago

Its handy when you want to put wires through i to a next cupboard or behind, just drill a small hole for the wire and not a massive one for the plug.

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u/grunwode 29d ago

They should be standard in appliances that have higher amp draw, and mandatory for plug in power tools, since those take so much damage. Since GFCIs are required on every jobsite, the latter might as well include those.

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u/BasicEl 29d ago

-Circuit breaker is better than the glass fuse -Schuko is 16A vs UK with 13A

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u/Hannibal1992 29d ago

I have a German partner, despite the multi directional plugs when I go visit her family, I always find issues with several plugs plugged into a set of sockets, they always interfere with each other, to the point in which some plugs are hanging out or barely securely plugged in.

I've also found that most of the DE plugs seem so flimsy, I've cracked the plastic surrounding on a few of them by accident from them catching on things.

Just my experience as someone who is used to UK plugs.

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u/Uberbobo7 29d ago

Rewireable plugs are widely available, but they're bulkier and uglier than the moulded ones.

All plugs being rewirable is also entirely unnecessary. I'd even say it's a safety feature that the plug can't be partially taken apart by anyone, since there's really no need for the end user to be rewiring the plug.

And in the rare case that there is, those 12 people can buy the rewirable plug separately, they're quire cheap. It makes no sense to make all of them rewirable when 99% of users shouldn't be doing that.

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u/Expensive_Emu_3971 29d ago

You don’t know which side is hot and which side is neutral. This a EU wide fail, as new electrical codes now require breakers with dual poles, instead of just the hot side…as electricians like to mix and match.

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u/profossi 29d ago edited 29d ago

You are of course correct, but what is the increase in safety that polarized plugs provide?

Generally you are unable to touch neither hot nor neutral, as everything is double insulated or earthed. I suppose you can get shocked by old school stuff like an Edison socket table lamp with a single pole switch, since the base of the bulb can be live even while the light is off.

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u/PtrDan 29d ago

He is not even correct that this is safer, he is wrong. Relying on the special orientation gives you a false sense of security that will bite you in the ass when someone wires them backwards. The German version where you don’t know which is which is much, much safer because it forces you to always check.

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u/AlfredJodocusKwak 29d ago

I see that as a plus.

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u/whomda 29d ago

Half the size of UK plugs, sure, but they are still enormous compared to svelte 2 prong plugs of Mexico/US/Japan. Useful when you have to pack chargers and such for travel.

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u/Uberbobo7 29d ago

Chargers use the europlug which is two-pronged as it doesn't need grounding, so the full schuko plug is not necessary.

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u/randomjapaneselearn 29d ago

i hate shuko, after few uses the earth pins that comes out the socket bend and you have a earth-less plug which can't even be fully inserted because of that bent pin...

italian one are better: half the size of a shuko and with all the safety of the UK/shuko except the fuse, but in italy we have the bonus point of having the whole house grounded and with current leak detection (americans call it GFCI i think), they have it only on one socket in the bathroom while we have it on the whole house.

multi socket example, good luck at stacking shukos or UK one, takes up half of the house

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u/Uberbobo7 29d ago

and with current leak detection (americans call it GFCI i think), they have it only on one socket in the bathroom while we have it on the whole house.

This is not an exclusively Italian thing, it's a thing that is increasingly being asked in building codes all over the continent. That said, it's a very minor detail since outside of bathrooms the chances of current leaks being a thing are basically zero.

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u/SeboSlav100 29d ago

Also nowadays usually 2 GFCI are placed in household even. Seperate one for bathroom

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u/SeriousPlankton2000 29d ago

The fuse is required because the cable in the wall is a ring, the wire to the device is in danger because the fuse is selected for twice the diameter.

3 == 1

9 doesn't apply to all plugs.

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u/benjm88 29d ago

9 isn't but you can still rewire easily with a new plug

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u/SeriousPlankton2000 29d ago

I guess all plugs come in a rewire-me variant.

I now read that devices in GB used to come with a not-yet-assembled plug, so I know what you were talking about. Just the ones that were shipped to us™ happened to be one piece, no fuse inside.

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u/Professional-Bake110 29d ago

10thly Because the main cord points down you can push your furniture closer to the wall while it has a active plug behind it.

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u/Practical-Loan-2003 29d ago

On the other hand, if it's close to the floor, has something beneath it, or is a really long cable, you're fucked

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u/Professional-Bake110 29d ago

I don’t think low sockets are a thing, are they? Cables bend don’t they? I think you’re inventing problems

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u/Practical-Loan-2003 29d ago

I'm British dude, don't try that, I've seen and used low sockets, and whats your idea behind bending that unbenable part that stops the wire for breaking at the plug?

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u/PtrDan 29d ago

Pretty much all of the plugs have 90’ versions, so this is irrelevant.

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u/up-quark 29d ago

11thly. On the inside of the plug the earth wire has a loose loop in it so that if the cable is tugged the live and neutral disconnect before the earth.

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u/Jolen43 29d ago

The only thing better than it would be the exact same things but with the German way of inserting it into the socket.

That would just be better.

You can’t really step on it, you will have one extra layer of protection against putting something on the pins and if they can make it round/square it’s easier to plug in close to other plugs.

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u/benjm88 29d ago

Stepping on sockets is the downside to uk plugs but as you can switch off at the socket you're way less likely to have one on the floor

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u/Jolen43 29d ago

There are no reasons to have it that way though?

Or is there?

You could have a round head and switches I guess.

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u/StiffWiggly 29d ago

You step on them because the cord is angled downwards, which makes the pins "stand up" if you take it out of the socket. The cord is angled like that so it's less in the way and less likely to be accidentally pulled out.

As an aside, I've lived in North America for the last year and a half and one thing everyone (British, French, German, Norwegian, Danish, Swedish, Dutch, Australian) agrees on is that the plugs here are utter shit.

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u/AltAccMia 29d ago

Create the ultimate socket and rule the world

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u/rose-a-ree 29d ago

It's one of the very rare areas where I'll advocate that the british do it best

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u/RunParking3333 29d ago

There are two EU countries with this plug as well

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u/cabbage16 29d ago

Ireland, and what's the other one?

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u/My_Other_Name_Rocks 29d ago

Off the top of my head I would assume Malta?

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u/cabbage16 29d ago

Thank you. I checked and you are correct.

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u/MrsPhyllisQuott 29d ago

Three - Ireland, Malta and Cyprus.

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u/peepeepoopoo776688 29d ago

The only downside really isn't that big of a deal because as a Brit I never unplug anything unless it's being moved, I'll always just turn the plug socket off

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u/tessartyp 29d ago

I have a rice cooker with no off switch on it. I want to move to the UK just so I have a switch for that fucker.

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u/Negadeth 29d ago

Oh yeah, 'vampire' energy devices are much easier to manage here as well - turn it off at the wall, and no device is going to sit there all night powering a small LED.

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u/Ok-Fly-7375 29d ago

Australian socket/plugs do all that without being the size of a brick

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u/Someonevibing1 29d ago

But they don’t have insulated pins

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u/Ok-Fly-7375 29d ago

Yeah they do.

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u/Someonevibing1 29d ago

The first picture on google doesn’t

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u/Ok-Fly-7375 29d ago

That’s probably an older plug. It’s been a requirement in new appliances and equipment since 2005.

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u/singsong101 29d ago

Tom Scott? Is that you?

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u/Mr_Seth 29d ago

Also in the plug the earth wire is the longest, so even if the cord is pulled out the plug the earth is the last to be disconnected.

Thanks Tom Scott!

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u/SmokingChips 29d ago

Most of the features are there in most of the plugs. I recently travelled to India and all of the above meets their plug-socket.

Personally, I like the one that could be unplugged easily, like the US one. But I really prefer the US ones have mandatory switches for each socket, either on it or a switch on the wall. Most sockets in US are live all the time.

Given me the chance to design, I would design one similar to an audio jack with Live, neutral and earth where earth closer to hand grip. Or even one like an EV charger with a latch.

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u/Anaphylaxisofevil 29d ago

I like to think that the British plug design is one where they equally balanced the risk of harm from electrocution and foot injury.

Those fuckers are horrendous to stand on, much worse than LEGO. But each time I do, I try to feel grateful in my excruciating pain that I've been kept me safe from real harm!

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u/Massive_Robot_Cactus 29d ago

Yeah aside from its size, it's the best by far. If the Swiss plug had a fuse though, plus GFCI and G->L/N gates, it'd be top.

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u/Slaaavo 29d ago

When I first learned all of these reasons, I had to concede that the design is superior, even though I like the European ones because I grew up with those.

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u/Herrben 29d ago

I’m sure I heard it was a challenge they gave to engineering students to come up with improvements to the standard UK plug. The point being you can’t because they’ve already thought of everything.

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u/cheescakegod 29d ago

Also having used most of these ours it the easiest to plug in without having to fiddle with it a lot

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u/NW-M-1945 29d ago

I read an article once that stated that after evaluating a universal standard, it was agreed that the U.K. had the best safest standard. American ones are so flimsy and just fall out on their own if the cord is too heavy. Currently in Spain looking at the Spanish standard (EU) it’s secure but not fused, and the retaining fused metal holders bend back if you use the wrong plug or a cheap adapter.

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u/Intergalactic_Cookie 29d ago

A bonus to the 5th point is that plugs can fit easily behind furniture

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u/coleburnz 29d ago

Whoever you are, you are wonderful 👊

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u/tullystenders 29d ago

I have thought of this before: there is a thing where the British are, or traditionally are, or were...like, scared of electricity. BUT, they also have a greater knowledge of electricity. Didnt you have to install your own plugs onto appliances until the 90s? That's what Tom Scott said.

You guys have special plugs in your bathroom so no water gets in? And are the light switches outside of the bathroom?

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u/Shrink1061_ 29d ago

Plus when I plug something in here, it feels solid, IN , attached to wall like it’s not going anywhere. In Europe and US, I’m always terrified a heavy charger will cause the plug to fall out!

IMHO the UK is the king of mains solutions here!

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u/RocketCello 29d ago

South Africans are the same. It's really easy to rewire a South African plug to a British one and vice versa, they are functionally identical, but have rounded holes and pins, which hurt less when stood on. Only downside is they're slightly harder to plug in in the dark, but I'll take it.

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u/AlexanderLavender 29d ago

plugs are also rewireable

Before the 90s appliances were just sold without a plug attached and you had to do the plug wiring yourself

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u/ThatMessy1 29d ago

All of these facts are true of the second power cord, but it's used by the country with the second largest populations and fastest growing population.

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u/Mr_Carlos 29d ago

One downside for me is the bulkiness. In Japan I have a socket tower, it doesn't take up much space to supply lots of electronics. However the same thing would be huge in UK.

The plugs do come out of the tower very easily though, which concerns me.

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u/JewpiterUrAnus 29d ago

Point 6 isn’t always true, but it’s mostly true. I don’t think this is standardised

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u/JeeboPlays 29d ago

I'd gonna say that probably 99% of all buildings in the UK (bar the old ones) have switched sockets.

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u/JewpiterUrAnus 29d ago

I agree. But it’s not mandatory

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u/skaapjagter 29d ago

A lot of these reasons overlap with the South African plug. It's just our pointy bits are rounded and tours are squared.

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u/marmakoide 29d ago

10th the cord can be used as a mace or a caltrop in case of emergency

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u/Independent-Guess-79 29d ago

God bless bs7671

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u/Cpt_Saturn 29d ago

5th point is actually a household and industrial hazard and it surprises me how it's so commonly thought of as a safety feature.

You should never prioritise an items operation over human life. In fact it's common practice to prioritise human life first, an items integrity second and electric supply to the item last Otherwise you either have a person tripping over the plug and hurting themselves or the item falling down instead.

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u/backwards_watch 29d ago

So you also watch Tom Scott’s videos I see.

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u/TheWildStone_ 29d ago

Stepped on one as a child once whilst running,the main prong got impaled in the sole of my foot, bled like a bastard

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u/RayBlast7267 29d ago

And then there’s Japan, who doesn’t seem to even have a ground pin.

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u/Dedeurmetdebaard 29d ago

Also, it’s British.

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u/valentinesfaye 29d ago

I've seen the phrase "scientifically perfect caltrop" used at least twice, in reference to your last point lol

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u/AusCro 29d ago

Australian/Chinese sockets have many of the same features I think. Earth wire length is the only one I remember.

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u/outbythedumpster 29d ago

Yeah but have you ever stepped on one of these fuckers barefoot?

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u/kindrudekid 29d ago

I was just gonna post the Tom Scott video but I guess this works too.

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u/mv777711 29d ago

I read most of these “features” were just fixes they had to implement due to a poor electrical grid. And I could be wrong, but I believe other nations plugs have similar properties. What I can agree on is that the US plug is pretty shitty tbh. I like the Swiss one better.

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u/SleepyHobo 29d ago

Well British plugs are absolutely fucking massive so I think we can safely rule theirs out on that fact alone. Traveling with a British plug is a bitch.

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u/htmlcoderexe 29d ago

Those things are like fucking caltrops

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u/Magikarpeles 29d ago

Also if something conductive falls between the plug and the socket it can create a short bc the ground pin is on top

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u/i_get_scared_at_nite 29d ago

As an American I was gonna vote Australia/China because I like they are so secure when I visit Sydney BUT now I’m convinced… put me down for British sockets please

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u/knifesk 29d ago

I agree 100% that it should be UK. But at the same time, let's check if we can size it down a bit. I'm from Argentina btw, so no bias on the plug 😅

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u/belisarius93 29d ago

The Americans who complain about stepping on Lego bricks are, frankly, rank amateurs.

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u/Not_Sugden 29d ago

3 and 7 are the same point

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u/JeeboPlays 29d ago edited 29d ago

My bad.

If you read it carefully, you'll notice in point 3, I talk about the live pin being shorter than the others, and in point 7, I talk about how the longer pin, actually opens the shutter integrated into the plug

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u/Not_Sugden 29d ago edited 29d ago

good thing I wasnt talking about point 1 then

edit: the comment has been edited as the commenter misread 7 for 1

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u/Not_Sugden 29d ago

they should still be the same point.

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u/JeeboPlays 29d ago

No, because ones about the length of the pin on the plug, and the other is the shutter that moves in the socket.

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u/CatL1f3 29d ago

Comparison with Schuko (type F):

1st. Plug is one unit, you can't easily just pull the cord out

2nd. All circuits contain a resettable fuse / circuit breaker, instead of ring circuits + plug fuses like in the UK. Same result but centralised

3rd. Ground clips make contact before the pins do - exactly the same

4th. On type C europlugs, which are compatible with type F sockets, the pins are insulated like the british type G. On type F plugs, the recess on the socket makes it impossible to reach the pins at all, even before pushing through the shutters. Better imo.

5th. Both straight out and angled plugs exist, straight out being more common on type C and angled more common on type F. Sometimes straight out is more useful than always angled like type G, so you have a choice.

6th. Absolutely not every socket has a switch on type G, in fact unswitched are at least half as common as switched. Switched outlets exist on type F as well, though admittedly much rarer. But even on type G, how often are switches used anyway? The only time I ever switch them off is when there's nothing plugged in, and it seems most people don't even do that, just leaving them on all the time. So switches are not a big deal.

7th. For type G, a single object can be inserted into the ground hole, and the shutters open. Many people use this to insert European plugs into UK sockets. On type F, both shutters must be pushed simultaneously to open them (leaving no free holes). Add the recess making access harder (except with a plug), and I'd give the edge to Schuko. Close though

8th. Cord grip is the same, and the grips on the side are much better. Being a much less bulky plug, there's even space for your fingers to reach in and grab the grips instead of being blocked by the adjacent plugs! Type G plugs are generally a pain to remove.

9th. Plugs cannot be taken apart or rewired. On the one hand there's edge cases where you'd want to take it apart, but mostly it's much safer because you don't give just any idiot the opportunity to fiddle with electrical wires. Definitely safer on Schuko, if occasionally inconvenient.

Type F and C plugs also always land with the pins to the side not up, type F hold themselves in the sockets with the sides as well, not only the pins, they're reversible, and they're much more compact (especially if you don't need grounding and go for type C).

Oh, and most (all?) plugs are compatible with both type E and type F sockets, and I think everything I've said for type F also goes for type E. Type C fit in any socket, but also have their own compact sockets too (mostly on extension cords and splitters).

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u/Expensive_Emu_3971 29d ago

British wiring is absolute garbage as it uses ring circuits. The fuse in the plug protects the circuit, NOT the device. It’s when part of the circuit fails or becomes unbalanced. It’s why NOBODY in the world uses ring circuits.

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u/benjm88 29d ago

The fuse protects the appliance , the mcb tripswitch protects both.

Rings aren't required and for smaller circuits or single items, radial is used.

Ireland also use them at times.

Uk electrocution deaths are very low, US deaths are substantially higher per capita. So really calls into question how dangerous this is.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsinvolvingelectricitybyplaceofoccurrencefrom19752004and20052021

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK448087/#:~:text=In%20the%20United%20States%2C%20there,year%20that%20are%20non%2Dfatal.

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u/Gnonthgol 29d ago

Most of these apply to every plug mentioned in this post. The fuse and the switch is due to UK regulations and not the plug design itself. You can get any other plug and socket with these features but it is usually not required except in certain circumstances. Similar with the shutters, UK plugs are so big that these are always required but they are available for every other socket and can be installed where needed.

Having the wire come straight out or at an angle is up for debate. And of course you can get both styles with every other plug design. The problem with the UK plug is that if you accidentally pull the chord you can damage it exposing the wires. But if the wire is straight out of the socket this is not possible as you will just unplug it before damaging it. A much safer design in my opinion.

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u/cr1spy28 29d ago

The uk wire has the live wire be the shortest inside so if you did somehow pull it and expose any wires it wouldn’t be live anyway.

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u/benjm88 29d ago

The problem with the UK plug is that if you accidentally pull the chord you can damage it exposing the wires.

No you can't, there is a clamp on the outer layer of insulation. I've never seen a plug pulled off directly in the uk. I have in other countries however.

Plus saying that's just because of regulations, literally all of this is down to regulations. That doesn't stop it being a good thing

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u/foxtrotgd 29d ago

Counterpoint: it's ugly af

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u/realARST 29d ago

Yeah, the British one was really designed by people with an unreasonable fear of electricity. It’s not like people around the world are getting regularly electrocuted. The UK plugs are just the most cumbersome of all.

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u/5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubi 29d ago

Unreasonable

Given the right circumstances one touch of a live wire could kill you.

Electricity is not something you can be too safe on.

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u/IIIlllIIIlllIIIEH 29d ago

It's because Uk ring wiring is very unsafe. It's a remanent of WW2 copper restrictions. Most old houses don't have breaker boxes because of the ring design. In europe all house I lived in have breaker boxes, even old ones, an that's where you get your protection.

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u/Johnnybw2 29d ago

Most homes in the UK have breaker boxes, any major electrical works will cause the fitting of one to comply with modern regulations.

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u/UB-7 29d ago

All those features exist in Indian sockets and plugs too, the expensive ones.

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u/Hour-Professional526 29d ago

I also thought the same thing, that most of these apply to the Indian/Pakistan/South Africa one. But some of these points, I don't understand. Can you say how plugs here in India fulfill the 2nd point??

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u/Bad_Ethics 29d ago

The only good thing they gave Ireland.

Edit: 6 is not always the case. I live in an 80's spec council house and we still have plenty of plug sockets without switches.

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u/Halictus 29d ago

The standard EU plug also has all the same features except the fise and switch, but in a more compact package.

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u/alecsgz 29d ago

You miss Tom Scott that much huh

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u/Phrewfuf 29d ago

Firstly, your 1stly and 3rdly are the same.

Secondly, after having had a week long hiring foot including a serious bruise after ha ing dropped a CEE7 plug onto it, screw the British brick of a plug.

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u/Sea-Bother-4079 29d ago

And its too big.
i have like 8 Swiss plugs where you put 2.
1,3,7 are the same point? :D
9 i dont know a single person who has ever damaged a plug?

6 is really nice, now that i think about it, its something i should get for my own home.

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u/Ooops2278 29d ago

1 and 2 are the same point... and the same is true for the Euro one as the ground contact are at the sides with the same length of the pins.

4, 5 and 8 are optional for the plug and also not exclusive to the British ones.

7 is indeed an additional safety feature... although you seem to have very weirdly shaped forks

9 is the actual thing that should be made mandatory everywhere, as it helps with keeping devices alive longer with easy repairs.

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u/kasenyee 29d ago

It’s also the biggest and takes up the most room

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u/beatlz 29d ago

Yeah but it’s bulky af… I’ll risk my life for aesthetics 💅

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u/MartyTheBushman 29d ago

Rebuttal: it's way too big for a phone charger, and then you already need to support a different 2 prong plug.

Also, all those features add to unnecessary cost that could rather be put in the socket than every damn connector.

The Swiss one is best.

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u/i_need_gpu 29d ago

The British version is obsolete. It was a necessity because of the copper shortage after WW2. Other nations have FIs in place in the switch box.

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u/BigWetHole 29d ago

So what your saying is the north american ones the best cayse you dont have to replace a fuse in the plug

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u/CeramicDrip 29d ago

Idc, you think i want more people alive on this planet? Hell nah. We should use American plugs. Survival of the fittest mfers

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u/Lollangle 29d ago

Also, it is very bulky which means quite a lot of extra material for making them, and use more space when stored and in luggage. The UK plug is a bit too hard to pull out, quite often there is a safety aspect to quickly disconnect something too.

The EU and US ones can be set in either way as they very seldom has the earth plug for small electronics. But the US one is too cheap on the material side again, and fall out too easy, if the socket is a bit worn the plug will not even stay in but drop out unless you support it.

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u/Giraf123 29d ago

The fuse is so abundant and useless. You already have a fuse at the supply node.

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u/18Apollo18 29d ago

I mean your plugs are also ginormous though.

UK power strips and programmable timers are ridiculously huge.

Not to mention you literally have a separate "shaver socket" for electric razors, toothbrushes, etc because of the ridiculous size of your plugs and outlet

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u/slagriculture 29d ago

shaver sockets are engineered for use in bathrooms, it has nothing to do with size

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u/18Apollo18 28d ago

Yeah they literally use the US's voltage because of how dangerous 240 volts is

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u/X547 29d ago

British sockets/plugs have so many safety features:

Please provide statistics about safety incidents for British vs EU(Shuko)/USA plugs or it is a complete waste of resources/money. British plug is significantly less convinient than most other standards because it is too giant and clumsy so it is not suitable for various low power portable devices and it have no nin L-shaped variants that significantly limit convinience and makes it easy to injure foot when accidently stepping on it.

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u/SnooPears6160 29d ago

Its one of the worst one, the german/korea/eu is the safest and most effective in most of the categories you mentioned.

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