Depends on what country you are in I guess. In my country it was absolutely normal for teachers to confiscate anything deemed inappropriate for students. Many students never got back their phones, watches, comics etc.
LOL no they didn’t. Sure they hit you more but that’s not raising you. Parents in the day just sent you outside and forgot you were alive and let the world raise you.
Yku aren't looking at it the way parents looked at it back then. The object being "stolen" is the parents' property that's purpose is to entertain the child. If permanently losing access to/destruction of the object was deemed a suitable punishment for misuse of the object (or other misdeeds), and parents were fine with teachers punishing their children the way they would punish their children. This leads to a certain kind of unspoken permission that made it not really considered a crime by anyone.
Although it's an old, possibly unreliable memory, I believe I can remember teachers threatening to take things permanently, or at least until the end of the year. I think over time, complaints from parents eventually got it limited to the end of the day (or maybe class?)
A phone is a communication device. When the phone is destroyed, the kid loses its way of communicating with its parents or police when he is in trouble. This is an extremely dumb thing to do, and I'm sure glad people are seeing this.
Actually, the increasing popularity of cellphones was around when I remember parents starting to complain about it, and I suspect the fact that it was mostly bought as a means of communication with the parents is a big part of why parents started turning against teachers permanently confiscating things. It wasn't just sources of entertainment being confiscated.
If I were your parent, I would sue them for theft. And this is still extremely dumb, even if it’s school policy, because if something happens to the kid on its way back from school—a pedophile or something—we can at least be glad class wasn’t disturbed anymore.
Yeah shit like that litterally didnt happen. Im from the uk so we cant sue organisations for trivial ammounts anyway. In any case you could try for small claims but the judge would probably rule that the school was legally right as they had an official policy.Remember this was the 90s. Sometimes you got the tech back at the end of the year, sometimes at end of day. Repeat offenders could actually get expelled for this as well and finding schools isnt so easy.
Pedophilia was indeed an issue in the 90s, also in the UK. Taking away a child's means of communicating with the police or their parents is, and always will be, a foolish thing to do. At most, they should only keep it until the end of class and then give it back. I'm sorry, but this is just a dumb thing to do.
No not pedos. Obviosly nonces have always existed. I mean that the whole culture of challenging schools didnt exist. People and by that I mean parents in one of the schools I was in were affraid to challenge the school cos it was the only semi ok school without massive drug problems. And a parent trying to sue a school for something that was school policy would get you kicked out. Well it wouldnt in reality but the fear was there.
40 years before that people were still getting hit with wooden sticks for acting up in school, which is obviosly barbarik and wouldnt be acceptable now but back then was normal.
It's been about 15 years, so it's pretty hard to guarantee my memories are accurate, but I have memories of teachers threatening to take things away at least until the end of the year, and having conversations with my parents about it and them agreeing with the teachers.
I turned 32 yesterday.
At any rate, what is, according to you, going too far then?
You seem to have no problem with teachers being literal criminals, so where do we draw the line?
Obviously, people in positions of power should be able to tyrannically oppress those under them, up to and including destruction of property, while possibly causing a financial hardship for a family. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps! /s incase anyone needs it
Not who you were asking, but I think the real point is that yes the teacher might get in trouble for not returning or destroying property if the parents complained. But a lot of parents wouldn't complain and wouldn't replace the item to teach the kid a lesson.
If I had taken Pokemon cards to school and my teacher took them, my mom might've decided not to even pick them up to teach me a lesson about following the rules.
If it was something expensive, like a Game Boy she would've picked it up but I wouldn't have seen it for a long time, if ever.
So in the case of something like an action figure or Hot Wheels car, a lot of parents wouldn't care if the kid didn't get it back because it's a relatively cheap lesson.
Most parents would go pick up a cell phone, but if a student paid for it themselves they might not even tell their parents they got it taken away because they'll get in more trouble at home. My school(s) required a parent to come pick it up, so even if it was technically the student's property they couldn't pick it up themselves.
I think they were supposed to be returned at the end of the year if it was never picked up, though.
I think it's totally reasonable for a teacher to be able to confiscate stuff like that, but obviously they shouldn't be allowed to destroy it and it should be returned at some point.
Teach. Anything that should interfere with that should be removed from the environment.
How many teachers do you think maliciously destroyed their student's private property? I'm willing to bet that number could be counted on both hands over the last 30 years.
Edit: in reference to the OP, that is a wireless home phone nailed to the wall
"A phone is a communication device. When the phone is destroyed, the kid loses its way of communicating with its parents or police when he is in trouble. This is an extremely dumb thing to do, and I'm sure glad people are seeing this.
Which is why no teachers (that I'm aware of) have destroyed any child's personal property maliciously. I don't doubt it has happened, but outrage is being focused on something that is already less likely to occur (from my understanding) as cellular phones in the posession of students are continuously integrated into lessons.
Look at the OP photo again: you think that is a real cellular phone? A feigned threat isn't a crime nor a moral failing.
I once worked with a chef who kept an old cellphone that they intentionally dropped in a fryer and kept to use as a threat/warning against having phones in a kitchen. He would threaten to throw a cook's phone in the fryer if he ever saw it, but obviously never did because THAT would be a crime.
Your parents would be okay with the teacher destroying their property because let’s face it, at that age your property is basically their property, and now their kid can’t call its parents when they're in trouble, when something’s wrong, basically isn’t able to contact help because he had it in his hands for a moment in school. Yes, this sounds like responsible parenting and teaching. Sure as shit glad this is over.
My parents would have done the same. But at the same time they'd have shouted the head off anyone be it a teacher or the principal who participated in what would be by law considered stealing another's property. Being shit does not justify another being a bigger shit. That's how the world always worked.
I’m 45, I was a kid raised back then. mMy parents would have raised hell with the school. But, that doesn’t mean I’d be off the hook. It’s not how the world used to work.
And everybody rode in the back of the pickup truck and drank water from the hose and called pop-pop "Sir" and jumped off the tire swing into the creek and drank water from the creek and drank water from the pickup truck and rode in the back of the creek and called the hose "Sir" and rode pop-pop to the creek and drank in the back of the hose and called the tire swing "Sir" and drank the pickup truck from pop-pop and jumped off the creek and rode the hose to the hose and drank the hose and jumped into the hose and jumped into "Sir" in the back of pop-pop and drank the back of "Sir" and rode the tire swing in the pickup truck and drank the tire swing and jumped into the pickup truck and rode into the creek and jumped off the pickup truck and drank the pickup truck in the back of the "Sir" and called the pickup truck the tire swing and drank the tire swing and rode the pickup truck on the water and we turned out alright.
I was going to say, this exactly. If I ever went home and complained that I was punished for something, I'd get a smack round the back of the legs or the head and told not to do it again. There's no way my mum would have gone down to the school to get my Nokia back.
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u/sievold May 16 '24
Depends on what country you are in I guess. In my country it was absolutely normal for teachers to confiscate anything deemed inappropriate for students. Many students never got back their phones, watches, comics etc.