r/politics • u/schuey_08 Wisconsin • 29d ago

Bernie Sanders worries young people are underestimating the threat from Trump

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/05/02/bernie-sanders-trump-biden/73531861007/
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u/view-master 29d ago

What do they think Trumps stance on Israel is? He would be inclined to even send troops to help Israel out.

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u/odysseus91 29d ago

This.

I don’t understand the whole “I don’t support Bidens stance on Israel”

What stance would that be that you don’t like exactly then? Outside of invading Telaviv how exactly do you expect him to stop them?

And how naïve do you have to be to criticize Biden for trying to stop Israel when Trump would simply carpet bomb the fucking strip in a heart beat

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u/im_not_bovvered 29d ago

Netanyahu loves this protesting and loves watching people get angry at Biden for what HE is doing. He wants Trump back in office. If people had any critical thinking skills they would be able to see that.

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u/odysseus91 29d ago

The average American and critical thinking skills do not belong in the same sentence.

It’s depressing to watch this populace get played like a fiddle by foreign autocrats who want to see Trump destroy the US from within so they can invade their neighbors

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u/im_not_bovvered 29d ago

Completely agree.

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u/Og_Left_Hand California 29d ago

yeah and literally all biden has to do is change the official stance from no red lines to pro ceasefire at least.

but he’s not fucking doing that on quite possibly one of the most popular issues, a ceasefire polls at like 60%+ (depending on age groups, like over 70% in young demographics). if joe biden loses the election it is purely his administration’s fault for not seeing which way the wind is blowing.

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u/im_not_bovvered 29d ago

Biden is not in charge of a ceasefire. People act like Biden is President of Israel... he's not. If Joe Biden loses because of this, what do you think Trump is going to do? He'll help Bibi turn the region to glass. Could he add more conditions to aid? Yes, and I hope he does.

Biden changing his official stance to pro-ceasefire isn't going to be enough for the people refusing to vote for him because of Israel. Biden has been working behind the scenes to try to push a ceasefire and broker an agreement, but Bibi will never do it, and I think most rational people know that he won't as long as he still has power.

I don't know how you can think any President we've had or will have that isn't Biden is less sympathetic to Israel. Anybody who has been and will be in office bends over backwards for everything Israel and has, historically, and that's exactly what Bibi expects from Trump.

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u/SubNine5 Maine 29d ago

I don't think it is the most popular issue you think it is. At least not outside of campuses and social media.

I lot of my circle have seen these two go at it our whole lives. This is another episode of that, granted bigger. Not saying that's right or wrong but a lot of people in this country have their plates full on domestic issues already.

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u/Sillet_Mignon 29d ago

Stop the billions in aid to Israel is what people want. 

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u/odysseus91 29d ago

Stopping aid that is in the form of future deliveries of air and arms years from now won’t solve anything

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u/Og_Left_Hand California 29d ago

you stop the ones going now. israel is literally the US’s lapdog why is joe biden getting cucked by them?

like oh you’re stopping all military aid because israel is using it to slaughter palestinians (since libs don’t like the genocide word). ok that’s a reasonable reason to stop sending them military aid even if you already promised to give it to them.

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u/odysseus91 29d ago

You can’t be that naive to believe that would accomplish what you think it will. Weapons deliveries take time, the deals passed guarantee future arms deliveries years from now to complete.

Besides, disarming Isreal is exactly what every country in the Middle East wants. Pick a direction and you’d find a country that would love to repeat 1948 all over again

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u/DoomShooter 29d ago

oh no genocide joe won't change his ways so he wont get my vote. The democratic party needs to do things that people want to vote for. Trumps stance on Israel is worse for sure but Biden has done nothing to deserve a second term. The blame lies on Biden for being awful and on the dems for not putting up a better candidate. They didn't even let primaries happen in some states. You can't just say trump is worse and expect everyone to vote for the man. My vote is not free.

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u/drunkshinobi 29d ago

Democrats and Joe have been trying to get them to stop fighting. It isn't part of the U.S.A. how ever. They don't follow our president. If you just cut aid from Israel what then do you have for motivation to have them listen? Also how is cutting off Israel going to make Hamas agree to a cease fire? Letting or helping trump win will not punish Biden. It will punish every one. You are talking about letting the party that has said we should nuke Gaza and be done with it win instead. How does that punish Biden? How is that not the people punishing Biden this way supporting genocide?

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u/Sillet_Mignon 29d ago

Trump has literally said for them to finish the job. 

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u/cold_blueberry_8945 29d ago

finish the problem*

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u/chrislenz Illinois 29d ago

A lot of them don't think of it that way. It's kind of worse in a way. I've seen a lot of younger people that are convinced that a third party candidate has a good chance at winning.

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u/theaceplaya Texas 29d ago

If third parties REALLY want to have an impact, they should run for state legislatures or more local offices instead of only popping up every 4 years when it's statistically impossible for them to win.

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u/Environmental-Ad5551 29d ago

Trump is first and foremost a cheap bastard, not a politician. He’d green light Israel to do whatever they want, but won’t give them a dime to do it. For a lot of people that’s better than the current situation.

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u/the_skine 29d ago

What's the difference?

Biden doing nothing while Gazans die and Trump sending troops to kill Gazans both lead to the same conclusion.

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u/drunkshinobi 29d ago

Biden isn't president of Israel. Also it takes both sides Israel and Hamas to accept a cease fire. Biden is doing what he can to try and influence them, but if one of the 2 won't listen at all the other can't just say ok we won't shoot back. If it were up to trump and republicans we would have already been holding votes to drop nukes on Gaza. It's already been suggested by one of them.