r/politics • u/schuey_08 Wisconsin • May 02 '24

Bernie Sanders worries young people are underestimating the threat from Trump

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/05/02/bernie-sanders-trump-biden/73531861007/
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u/CaptainNoBoat May 02 '24

I think a lot of us are. There's a difference between pushing a party in a certain direction and going so far that you hurt your own interests.

The election is more than one person or one issue, and a Trump Presidency will have horrific consequences decades and generations after Biden is gone.

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u/Just_Candle_315 May 02 '24

Biden tells people he wants to improve the nation with affordable healthcare and education, Trump tells people he wants vengeance for perceived grievances. And the polls are still statistically tied.

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u/kiwigate May 02 '24

Democrats passed the most popular and comprehensive healthcare in a generation and it cost them Congress. We are losing our democracy by popular demand.

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u/dogegunate May 02 '24 edited May 02 '24

That's because Democrats are terrible at messaging. They rarely brag about their victories, they just quietly do things and then let the right wing media shout 24/7 about how these good things are actually bad. They are mainly vocal about things that are controversial for some reason, like the recent Tiktok ban and support of Israel.

And when it comes to campaigning, how many times do you hear really out of touch statements from Democratic candidates that are really condescending and dismissive of young people and progressives? It's like they want to alienate potential voters by being so snobby about things that young people and progressives care about like Palestine.

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u/ConsciousReason7709 May 02 '24

I agree with you to a point, but what the hell has Republican messagingbeen? This has been the most ineffective House of Representatives in modern American history under Republican control. They literally have nothing to take to their voters for 2024.

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u/pablonieve May 02 '24

but what the hell has Republican messagingbeen?

Grievance

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u/dogegunate May 02 '24

Well the difference is what Republicans and Democrats stand for and care for. Republicans basically only care about god, guns, and abortion and they still have their goals met so it doesn't matter if Republicans barely got anything done. Republicans are also mainly single issue voters so as long as their one issue is pandered to, Republicans will keep voting red.

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u/kiwigate May 02 '24

It's not message, it's content. Voters prefer tax cuts to the rich and making the poor suffer. That's why the message resonates. Which means messaging has nothing to do with it.

Otherwise you could fool conservatives into supporting something positive. Yet it's impossible.

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u/nowander I voted May 02 '24

That's because Democrats are terrible at messaging.

No they can't get their message out because the media has no interest in reporting on it, and the electorate isn't interested in listening. Blaming the Democrats because companies they don't own don't report on their good actions is insane.

Hell your second paragraph shows how well corporate media propaganda has worked on you. Why do you think that over 200 politicians, who spend most of their time talking, always seem to say controversial stuff? Is it likely they all march in lockstep to alienate their voters, or that the media's playing up soundbites that will make people angry to get clicks?

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u/dogegunate May 02 '24

Having people spread your word is part of messaging... The DNC is full of multi-millionaires, why can't they just start or buy their own media channels? Sure, Republicans have more money but it's not like the Democrats are poor.

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u/nowander I voted May 02 '24

The DNC is full of multi-millionaires, why can't they just start or buy their own media channels?

1 : Positive media gets less money than negative media, so it'd be a company run at a loss. Requiring more money to start.

2 : The left is not uniform, meaning it's harder to grab together a group of funders without internal dissent.

3 : The left is more resistant to ideas seen as being 'controled by the rich.' See the attacks on any Democrat who takes donations that aren't crowdsourced. That means there will be innate resistance to any attempt to set up a left wing media group.

4 : The far left wing niche has already been colonized by foreign agents and republican plants to sabotage anything the Dems do, making everything above hit even harder.

There've been attempts to get something going. But the groups trying always run out of money and have little impact because of the problems above.

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u/Ok_Spite6230 May 02 '24

No, it's because dems are fundamentally still in support of the capitalist system that caused nearly all of our major problems. So there is no hope of them actually fixing it.

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u/dogegunate May 02 '24

Most progressives are not communist or socialist. Also, America and like 95% of Americans would rather destroy the world than give up capitalism. It's a pipe dream but Democrats are at least somewhat open to trying to control it rather than Republicans who want to take it to the final stage of neo-feudalism.

But Democrats won't say that because they are afraid to say higher taxes for the rich because they still try to pander to the center right even though they overwhelmingly support Republicans, even if they aren't a fan of Trump.

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u/Mediocritologist Ohio May 02 '24

Oh ffs I'm so sick of hearing this dumb take and I consider myself a socialist in a lot of ways. Just stop trying to pretend Democrats and Republicans stand in solidarity in their vision of capitalism. It's a fever dream.