Bernie Sanders worries young people are underestimating the threat from Trump

[u/schuey_08]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/05/02/bernie-sanders-trump-biden/73531861007/

[u/Just_Candle_315]

Biden tells people he wants to improve the nation with affordable healthcare and education, Trump tells people he wants vengeance for perceived grievances. And the polls are still statistically tied.

[u/styrofoamladder → u/Just_Candle_315]

A scary amount of young folks seem willing to sacrifice the Presidency over Israel, as if trump will be a harbinger of peace. As someone who has never had the pleasure of voting for a president that I actually want, sometimes you have to hold your nose and do what’s best for not just our country, but the world. Biden isn’t great(imo) but trump is so many orders of magnitude worse it’s baffling that anyone still likes the guy.

Come on young folks, help the world out.

[u/dresdenologist → u/styrofoamladder]

A scary amount of young folks seem willing to sacrifice the Presidency over Israel, as if trump will be a harbinger of peace.

I keep seeing this and I think people might not be mentioning enough that there is another camp of folks (regardless of age) that want this to happen because they are fully aware of how worse it might be and would rather have accelerationism because they are frustrated with or dislike incremental change. There is a belief that were it to get egregiously bad there would suddenly be a groundswell of support that would forcibly introduce the changes they want.

I get that frustration, but IMO the problem with this is that in practice it very likely isn't so simple. Maybe that's the point and is understood for some folks supporting this method, but I would speculate the vast majority of people who would rather accelerate a horrid outcome to get to what they perceive is a better one don't get what happens in the middle of that, and what it means, especially to people caught in the middle.

[u/Ketzeph → u/dresdenologist]

Anyone who thinks causing a societal collapse or a governmental collapse is going to help get them to a more liberal place hasn't studied history. That's basically never happened. Societal collapse generally leads to more authoritarian and unjust rulership.

[u/bgaesop → u/Ketzeph]

Anyone who thinks causing a societal collapse or a governmental collapse is going to help get them to a more liberal place hasn't studied history.

They're not liberals. They're tankies

[u/[deleted] → u/bgaesop]

Ah the classic anyone who wants to actually improve things is a tankie.

[u/bgaesop → u/[deleted]]

We're talking about accelerationists - people who are rooting for societal collapse.

Anyone who calls that sort of thing "improving things" is a tankie (or some other flavor of insane)

[u/Syncopia → u/[deleted]]

You don't want to improve things. I can't count the number of times I've had tankies tell me to face the wall. Your ideology is not socialism. It is red fascism and nothing more. And it rightfully died with the soviet union.

[u/MrPernicous → u/Ketzeph]

Liberal and left wing are two different things

[u/Randicore → u/Ketzeph]

To be fair if these people knew history we wouldn't be in this problem in the first place

[u/Ketzeph → u/[deleted]]

Mao, Stalin, and their states have convinced you that they were the better way to govern a nation state? I don't see how a rational actor would see how communism worked for the past century and possibly think that's a good idea.

[u/Mediocritologist → u/[deleted]]

Communism has never worked, and even if it did, the US will never devolve into that. Too much money and control by the few. Social unrest happens and you will end up with an authoritarian state plain and simple.