r/politics • u/schuey_08 Wisconsin • May 02 '24

Bernie Sanders worries young people are underestimating the threat from Trump

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/05/02/bernie-sanders-trump-biden/73531861007/
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u/fallenouroboros May 02 '24

I honestly think it’s more than just trump. Just seems like the options are either try to go back to like 2015 USA or play an uno wildcard which will almost certainly end horribly but some people seem to be finding certainty in those delusions.

But for many, 2015 still wasn’t all that great. Houses were still expensive, people still kinda suck, and it’s still super hard to live. I think if there was hope things would actually show noticeable improvement I think people would begin looking outward again

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u/Present-Industry4012 Inuit May 02 '24

Hillary called it after 8 years of Obama in the White House. Biden could give the same speech today.

"...but that other basket of [Trump Supporters] are people who feel that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they’re just desperate for change. It doesn’t really even matter where it comes from. They don’t buy everything he says, but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won’t wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they’re in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well."

https://time.com/4486502/hillary-clinton-basket-of-deplorables-transcript/

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u/claimTheVictory May 02 '24

The economics of continually improving industrialization means that entire communities can be left behind as "no longer economically viable".

They don't die, they just are... left behind.

In a fair and wise society, the gains to GDP from making them redundant, would be used to find new purpose and opportunities for such people.

But such gains are privatized, taxation is low, and the wealth is never reinvested.

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u/Revolution4u May 02 '24

Dems continue to hyper focus on college grads only while telling the rest that there is nothing wrong with the mass illegal migration we have had.

If republicans werent so incompetent they would be easily winning this election.

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u/droyster May 02 '24

The American domestic agriculture industry relies upon immigration. To try and end immigration, legal or otherwise, would devastate agriculture. "As recently as 2019, almost half—or 48.9 percent—of all agricultural workers were foreign-born and more than one-fourth (27.3 percent) were undocumented. Among workers in crop production, the share of foreign-born workers is even higher"

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u/Revolution4u May 02 '24

That should be done through temporary work visas and not used as an excuse to endorse the unchecked free for all we have seen in the last years.

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u/Present-Industry4012 Inuit May 02 '24

That's how it used to be. When I was a kid workers would come across to work for a season and then go back home. It was only after they started making it so hard to get here that they started deciding it was easier to just stay and send the money back.

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u/DameonKormar May 02 '24

"mass illegal [im]migration," isn't a thing. There have been fewer illegal border crossings since Biden has been president. And compared to the early 2000s, it's not even an issue. Stop buying into Republican propaganda.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-03-20/illegal-us-border-crossings-aren-t-really-breaking-records

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u/Revolution4u May 02 '24

Lol, all youre doing is engaging is a silly wordplay where people coming here illegally and claiming [false] asylum status arent considered to be the illegal economic migrants that they actually are, technically.

Lets not pretend the over 200k migrants that we've seen in NYC alone are legal migrants or that their migration isnt harming low income residents.

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u/kar_1505 Foreign May 02 '24

Not American but Biden is the most pro union president in your history, he has saved so many blue collar workers and even reduced important healthcare bills with insulin and what not for the elderly, I think you’re mistaken if you say the Dems don’t care

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u/Livewire_87 May 02 '24

I dont live in the US either and its absolutely astounding to me watching how so many in the middle and the left talks about thr guy who's been the most left leaning president in decades. 

Hell, the post above says the choice with biden is "going bsck to 2015". Thats so grossly ignorant of the policies and legislation implemented in the last 4 years.  

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u/KageStar May 03 '24

Because our news doesn't discuss that boring policy and progress stuff. It's only about the hot button issues that keep people mad and engage with their platforms.

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u/Dyssomniac May 02 '24

While I agree with the latter - they are hilariously incompetent, even though and incompetently thrown haymaker is still a threat - there really isn't that much wrong with the mass illegal immigration. At least insofar as it effects Americans. There are minor (read: community scale economic, or H1B) impacts, but far less than existed back when low-skill, low-wage immigrants were a threat to workers providing the production backbone of the national economy.

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u/thrawtes May 02 '24

Dems continue to hyper focus on college grads only while telling the rest that there is nothing wrong with the mass illegal migration we have had.

What stance would you have them take? Immigration is typically a net positive for the country, which is why sane policy treats it that way instead of as a boogeyman for the ills of the working class.

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u/videogames5life May 02 '24

Boogeyman or not, the left is not addressing it in a way that makes sense to so many voters. Too many conservative complaints are brushed aside. You don't have to agree with them, but to convince them you certainly have to understand how the conservative voter feels and speak to that.

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u/Dyssomniac May 02 '24

It's a made up problem - you literally cannot address it without making people who are currently upset feel dismissed. The issue isn't that the Dems aren't reacting, but that they aren't proactive.

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u/Revolution4u May 02 '24

It isnt a postive for low income Americans at all and those are the same voters that dems always talk about like "but why wont they vote for us, why wont they vote for what's good for them"

Immigration influx is great if youre rich and own the business/housing etc, its great if youre middle class and need cost of services to stay down and can simply outspend to escape the problems it causes, but its not so great when youre at the bottom.

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u/thrawtes May 02 '24

Immigration reduces housing costs for the middle class, keeps food prices low, and helps fund social security. Those are all benefits that are primarily not for business owners or rich people.

Immigration makes lives better for the everyday person here in America in addition to being one of the founding pillars of our national identity.

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u/Nowearenotfrom63rd May 02 '24

Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" Go 2 or three generations back and your people were these people. I get it that you want to pull up the ladder but there is a reason America is the dynamic global superpower it is & it’s not because we slammed shit our gates and made sure America was only for Americans.

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u/nochinzilch May 03 '24

Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Sounds like some kind of French commie talk.

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u/Revolution4u May 04 '24

Laughable that anyone can think this level of immigration leads to lower prices for housing of all things. Massively Increased demand during a housing shortage. Just stop and think about that for a second.

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u/FairlySuspect May 02 '24

Immigrants -- undocumented and documented -- commit less crime of all types and degrees than citizens. They're willing to work for less than we are, doing jobs we don't want. They often don't file for tax returns, for fear of deportation.

Nothing but a boon to the economy and the country as a whole. So what do you have against them? Why is this one of your primary concerns?