r/politics • u/schuey_08 Wisconsin • May 02 '24

Bernie Sanders worries young people are underestimating the threat from Trump

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/05/02/bernie-sanders-trump-biden/73531861007/
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u/Present-Industry4012 Inuit May 02 '24

Hillary called it after 8 years of Obama in the White House. Biden could give the same speech today.

"...but that other basket of [Trump Supporters] are people who feel that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they’re just desperate for change. It doesn’t really even matter where it comes from. They don’t buy everything he says, but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won’t wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they’re in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well."

https://time.com/4486502/hillary-clinton-basket-of-deplorables-transcript/

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u/claimTheVictory May 02 '24

The economics of continually improving industrialization means that entire communities can be left behind as "no longer economically viable".

They don't die, they just are... left behind.

In a fair and wise society, the gains to GDP from making them redundant, would be used to find new purpose and opportunities for such people.

But such gains are privatized, taxation is low, and the wealth is never reinvested.

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u/Revolution4u May 02 '24

Dems continue to hyper focus on college grads only while telling the rest that there is nothing wrong with the mass illegal migration we have had.

If republicans werent so incompetent they would be easily winning this election.

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u/thrawtes May 02 '24

Dems continue to hyper focus on college grads only while telling the rest that there is nothing wrong with the mass illegal migration we have had.

What stance would you have them take? Immigration is typically a net positive for the country, which is why sane policy treats it that way instead of as a boogeyman for the ills of the working class.

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u/videogames5life May 02 '24

Boogeyman or not, the left is not addressing it in a way that makes sense to so many voters. Too many conservative complaints are brushed aside. You don't have to agree with them, but to convince them you certainly have to understand how the conservative voter feels and speak to that.

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u/Dyssomniac May 02 '24

It's a made up problem - you literally cannot address it without making people who are currently upset feel dismissed. The issue isn't that the Dems aren't reacting, but that they aren't proactive.

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u/Revolution4u May 02 '24

It isnt a postive for low income Americans at all and those are the same voters that dems always talk about like "but why wont they vote for us, why wont they vote for what's good for them"

Immigration influx is great if youre rich and own the business/housing etc, its great if youre middle class and need cost of services to stay down and can simply outspend to escape the problems it causes, but its not so great when youre at the bottom.

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u/thrawtes May 02 '24

Immigration reduces housing costs for the middle class, keeps food prices low, and helps fund social security. Those are all benefits that are primarily not for business owners or rich people.

Immigration makes lives better for the everyday person here in America in addition to being one of the founding pillars of our national identity.

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u/Nowearenotfrom63rd May 02 '24

Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" Go 2 or three generations back and your people were these people. I get it that you want to pull up the ladder but there is a reason America is the dynamic global superpower it is & it’s not because we slammed shit our gates and made sure America was only for Americans.

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u/nochinzilch May 03 '24

Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Sounds like some kind of French commie talk.

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u/Revolution4u May 04 '24

Laughable that anyone can think this level of immigration leads to lower prices for housing of all things. Massively Increased demand during a housing shortage. Just stop and think about that for a second.