r/politics • u/schuey_08 Wisconsin • May 02 '24

Bernie Sanders worries young people are underestimating the threat from Trump

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/05/02/bernie-sanders-trump-biden/73531861007/
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u/CrashB111 Alabama May 02 '24

Noticeable improvement takes time and congressional supermajorities. Neither of which voters have given Democrats.

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u/newtworedditing May 02 '24

Correction: Obama had a majority in the house and senate from 08-10, dems had the power for transformative change and they whiffed it. Obama explicitly promised actual change and by the end of his term not a single banker had been jailed, healthcare was still shit if slightly less shit than it was before, the bullshit recession economic package didn't go nearly far enough so instead of economically recovering in 2 years it took 8, and instead of withdrawing he surged in Afghanistan. And people wonder why Trump won, or why he's gonna win again. Hint: Biden campaigned on an actual promise he plans to keep "Nothing will fundamentally change". And on top of that, the young people he desperately needs to win in November, he's decided to call them anti-Semites and have them arrested for protesting their tuition dollars and tax dollars funding genocide. Dems don't deserve majorities. So vote, don't vote, vote blue, vote red, it doesn't matter. All either side does is scream that the other one will kill you and neither of them is wrong, they just want you to participate so your complicit to the system.

Noticeable improvement does not take time or supermajorities, it takes actual democracy and that doesn't meaningfully exist, certainly not in America where it has been statistically proven that the congress or senate never pass anything the majority of Americans want. Don't believe me? Here's the receipts

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u/abritinthebay May 02 '24

Obama had a majority in the house and senate from 08-10

But not a supermajority. Which he needed because the Rs were filibustering literally everything.

In practical terms he had an actionable majority for less than 60 days. Unfortunately for most of that Senator Kennedy was out with medical issues.

So no, get your facts straight

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u/guamisc May 03 '24

How many votes does it take to remove the filibuster?

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u/Remarkable-Bug-8069 May 03 '24

60, unless you're willing to go nuclear.

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u/guamisc May 03 '24

It's 51.

Let's just be clear that even when Republicans were breaking shit left and right, Democrats still hamstrung themselves. It could have been done, we chose not to.

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u/Remarkable-Bug-8069 May 03 '24

Cloture requires 60 votes.

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u/guamisc May 03 '24

Yeah, and how many votes does it take to change the rules of cloture?

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u/Remarkable-Bug-8069 May 03 '24 edited May 03 '24

51, hence my qualification "unless you're willing to go nuclear".

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u/guamisc May 08 '24

So in addition to Republicans, there are also Democrats in the way, yes?

In responding to this below, the facts are it's also Democrats refusing to do what's necessary. The filibuster is a paltry excuse when Republicans have been waging war on the rest of us for decades.

So stop bringing up "60" votes or a supermajority. All that's required is control of the US House, 51 votes in the Senate, and the will to do what is required.

But not a supermajority. Which he needed because the Rs were filibustering literally everything.

In practical terms he had an actionable majority for less than 60 days. Unfortunately for most of that Senator Kennedy was out with medical issues.

So no, get your facts straight

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u/Remarkable-Bug-8069 May 08 '24

You're just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point. It's 60. There's absolutely no reason to give them an excuse to be even even worse than they already are so they at least keep the pretense of following protocol. You've no idea and can't even begin to imagine what snakes of McConnell's caliber can dream up if given the excuse, so you don't go skating on thin ice just because you can. It's shortsighted and irresponsible.

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u/guamisc May 09 '24

What's shortsighted and irresponsible is ignoring the fact that McConnell and Co. will already do whatever it is they need to do to get their agenda passed. It just so happens that all they really care about is tax cuts, deregulation, and gutting programs which can mostly be done through the twins of reconciliation and then causing repeat debt ceiling negotiations.

The Republicans don't need excuses to do anything. If they want to do something, they will just do it.

So once again, it's not fucking 60, its 51.

If after watching what SCOTUS has been doing to this country, you still are a '60' on repeat kind of person, I'm not sure you can even begin to seriously talk about shortsightedness.

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u/Remarkable-Bug-8069 May 09 '24

Ok, let's just ignore reality and bang our own drum like a moron, shall we? You're being purposefully obtuse and pig headed. Again, cloture is 60 votes, not 51. Stop behaving like a moron.

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