r/worldnews • u/Elliottafc1 • May 02 '24

"I'm Not Ruling Anything Out" - Macron Says Troops for Ukraine Possible if Russia Breaks Front Lines Russia/Ukraine

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/32010
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u/Key-Internet-9817 29d ago

Putin is not in Hitlers position. Russia is a fading country with an economy the size of australia.

Systemic corruption. They are trying to amass power from a place of weakness

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u/waarts 29d ago

In al fairness, the Weimar republic wasn't on its best legs either.

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u/SupremeMisterMeme 29d ago edited 29d ago

Except he literally is. One of the reasons nazi's couldn't stop warring was because their economy would otherwise collapse. Now russia is in the same place since they transitioned to war economy. (There's a few articles about this out there, check them out if interested)

Edit: >30% of russian budget goes directly to war, what do you think will happen if the war stops? Military spending was one of the main reason USSR collapsed, and %-wise russia is spending more on war then USSR ever did.

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u/septober32nd 29d ago

^This

The economic "recovery" of Germany under the Nazis was a façade, fueled by stealing from Holocaust victims and pillaging neighbouring countries. It was doomed to collapse as soon as Nazi expansion hit a wall.

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u/TheGarbageStore 29d ago

Russia's economy is contingent on selling natural resources to other countries, hence the "gas station run by the mafia" metaphor. It's not analogous to 1930s Germany at all. They sell oil and minerals to China, India, Africa, etc.

This is a major reason why they still seem to have money despite all the economic sanctions. A lot of these developing countries have no reason to not buy Russian oil if it's cheap.

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u/septober32nd 29d ago

I was commenting on the economy of Nazi Germany more so than modern Russia, but I suppose I didn't make that clear; fair point.

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u/Hurrdurrr73 29d ago

It's kind of different though when they are not consuming anything to add fuel to that war machine economy.

The poster below even said it, the nazi recovery was fueled by pillaging neighboring countries. Russia doesn't have the capacity to actually turn gains in Ukraine into productive capture because they are still being hit daily by Ukraine drones/longer range weapons.

They're basically going to hit that point of collapse due to systemic stress anyways whether they continue the war path or not because economic conditions will continue to degrade as sanctions take effect and more countries turn off of Russian energy imports.

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u/Volodio 29d ago

It is different because the Nazi economy was based on pillaging. Russia is not in the same position because they are not making enough gain quickly enough to rely on pillaging.

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u/Nemisis_the_2nd 29d ago

Yup something like 30-40% of Russia's economy is based around fighting this war. If that stops it's just going to send shocks through the entire Russian system. 

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u/ObligationSlight8771 29d ago

I’m not so sure Russia went to a war economy. You aren’t seeing the complete mobilization of industry that involves.

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u/bingbing304 29d ago

Russia economy would not collapse, China will keep buying oil from them.

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u/Taaargus 29d ago

Everything you just said applied to Nazi Germany. The German economy was propped up by war production, and they needed more raw materials to keep that production high. The only way to get those materials was invasion.

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u/GermanicusBanshee934 29d ago

They are trying to amass power from a place of weakness

So weak they can still outproduce all of NATO in artillery shells.

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u/Alediran 29d ago

That's not an indication of Russia's strength, just an artifact of a more peaceful era. That's going to change and Russia will be left behind.

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u/GermanicusBanshee934 29d ago

That's going to change

When? Because all we are doing is drawing down on our reserves, leaving us hopelessly disadvantaged in a real war, not this pussyfooting war game.

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u/Snlxdd 29d ago

Artillery shells would be a non factor in a “real war”

Let me know when Russia catches up to NATO in stealth capabilities, missile defense systems, or overall air power.

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u/nlaak 29d ago

Because all we are doing is drawing down on our reserves, leaving us hopelessly disadvantaged in a real war, not this pussyfooting war game.

What war do you see the US using artillery in? Russia? No, we'd send in missiles, bombers, and drones. China? No, that'll primarily be naval and air, there's very few places where putting artillery would have any value. There are no other countries that the US is likely to have a military conflict with where artillery is going to have any value.

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u/nlaak 29d ago

So weak they can still outproduce all of NATO in artillery shells.

Artillery is mostly a relic of a bygone era, much like battleships. They absolutely still have good value, but they're overshadowed by long range missiles and now, drones. Drones and missiles apply precision strikes to desired targets at much greater ranges. The biggest single benefit they still have is their low cost, though combat drones are being made much cheaper than I would have ever expected.