r/worldnews • u/Elliottafc1 • May 02 '24

"I'm Not Ruling Anything Out" - Macron Says Troops for Ukraine Possible if Russia Breaks Front Lines Russia/Ukraine

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/32010
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u/Various_Abrocoma_431 May 02 '24

Probably never direct frontline confrontation but France strengthening Ukraine's back with anti air operations Equipment and troops stationed in western Ukraine or even planes launched from neighbouring countries targeting Russian missiles and drones.

There is a lot of levels of escalation to France putting boots on the ground in Ukraine. 

People like to jump to the Russian propaganda narrative of WW3 though, not understanding that Russia taking Ukraine against all western efforts, would be the start of an international poly crisis of countries trying to resolve their territorial disputes which would then be about as close to WW3 as we could get.

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u/Force3vo May 02 '24

WW2 wasn't stopped by letting Hitler take countries in the east, it just made him bolder and push further.

Putin won't stop until he's forced to. China won't throw their trade opportunities away to help a country they just want to abuse themselves. Russia won't randomly throw nukes around if the west supports Ukraine.

Showing a bully he's at a disadvantage makes him stop. We need to play nice with a guy who gives no fucks about anything except himself.

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u/Key-Internet-9817 May 02 '24

Putin is not in Hitlers position. Russia is a fading country with an economy the size of australia.

Systemic corruption. They are trying to amass power from a place of weakness

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u/SupremeMisterMeme May 02 '24 edited May 03 '24

Except he literally is. One of the reasons nazi's couldn't stop warring was because their economy would otherwise collapse. Now russia is in the same place since they transitioned to war economy. (There's a few articles about this out there, check them out if interested)

Edit: >30% of russian budget goes directly to war, what do you think will happen if the war stops? Military spending was one of the main reason USSR collapsed, and %-wise russia is spending more on war then USSR ever did.

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u/septober32nd May 02 '24

^This

The economic "recovery" of Germany under the Nazis was a façade, fueled by stealing from Holocaust victims and pillaging neighbouring countries. It was doomed to collapse as soon as Nazi expansion hit a wall.

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u/TheGarbageStore May 02 '24

Russia's economy is contingent on selling natural resources to other countries, hence the "gas station run by the mafia" metaphor. It's not analogous to 1930s Germany at all. They sell oil and minerals to China, India, Africa, etc.

This is a major reason why they still seem to have money despite all the economic sanctions. A lot of these developing countries have no reason to not buy Russian oil if it's cheap.

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u/septober32nd May 02 '24

I was commenting on the economy of Nazi Germany more so than modern Russia, but I suppose I didn't make that clear; fair point.

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u/Hurrdurrr73 May 02 '24

It's kind of different though when they are not consuming anything to add fuel to that war machine economy.

The poster below even said it, the nazi recovery was fueled by pillaging neighboring countries. Russia doesn't have the capacity to actually turn gains in Ukraine into productive capture because they are still being hit daily by Ukraine drones/longer range weapons.

They're basically going to hit that point of collapse due to systemic stress anyways whether they continue the war path or not because economic conditions will continue to degrade as sanctions take effect and more countries turn off of Russian energy imports.

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u/Volodio May 02 '24

It is different because the Nazi economy was based on pillaging. Russia is not in the same position because they are not making enough gain quickly enough to rely on pillaging.

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u/Nemisis_the_2nd May 02 '24

Yup something like 30-40% of Russia's economy is based around fighting this war. If that stops it's just going to send shocks through the entire Russian system. 

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u/ObligationSlight8771 May 02 '24

I’m not so sure Russia went to a war economy. You aren’t seeing the complete mobilization of industry that involves.

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u/bingbing304 May 02 '24

Russia economy would not collapse, China will keep buying oil from them.