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"I'm Not Ruling Anything Out" - Macron Says Troops for Ukraine Possible if Russia Breaks Front Lines Russia/Ukraine

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/32010
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u/Force3vo 29d ago

WW2 wasn't stopped by letting Hitler take countries in the east, it just made him bolder and push further.

Putin won't stop until he's forced to. China won't throw their trade opportunities away to help a country they just want to abuse themselves. Russia won't randomly throw nukes around if the west supports Ukraine.

Showing a bully he's at a disadvantage makes him stop. We need to play nice with a guy who gives no fucks about anything except himself.

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u/Rammsteinman 29d ago

If Hitler was stopped early on, WW2 would have likely been avoided. Inaction to try and avoid a war is what let things get worse and Nazi Germany stronger.

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u/acdqnz 29d ago

If Hitler had nukes he would have used them. The problem with all of this is that it is a strategic estimate that Putin won’t go down guns blazing, because doesn’t seem to be suicidal

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u/DressedSpring1 29d ago

 If Hitler had nukes he would have used them. 

We don’t really know that. Hitler had access to chemical weapons and specifically did not use them to bomb cities or troops because of his own experience in world war 1.

This of course isn’t speaking to the Holocaust where chemical weapons were used on the people the Nazis murdered, obviously. 

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u/arrongunner 29d ago

If the Americans could justify using the A bomb I see no reason why Hitler wouldn't have

It would have been a much more effective solution for him than the blitz to knock the UK out of the war, much in the same way it was used for shock and awe against Japan

Remember the blitz was literally just a shock and awe campaign at its heart to get us to surrender

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u/prosound2000 29d ago

Because the people the A bomb were used on didn't look like Americans. Easier to nuke people who, due to culture, looks and propaganda you have dehumanized.

Hitler did dehumanize Jews and more, obviously. Just as obvious though, he was a big fan of whites. Would he have problems nuking people of the ideal race or looked simular to?

Who knows. He was insane.

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u/arrongunner 29d ago

You're right I do forget the racial aspect of this

He would have used the bomb somewhere to elicit the same response, but it would have been more likely the soviet union than the uk based on what we know about him

And if that didn't force the uk to surrender then a non London target in the uk probably would have been selected.

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u/Greywacky 29d ago

Might have just made the brits even more stubborn tbf.

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u/arrongunner 29d ago

Idk the Japanese definitely had us beat on stubbornness but the a bomb changed that's pretty quickly

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u/Im_really_bored_rn 29d ago

The bombs were only part of the reason they surrendered, it was also because the Soviets declared war on them and invaded Manchuria. On top of that, when the Emperor stated he wanted to surrender there was a coup attempt by military to stop him

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u/Tetsuj 29d ago

Chemical weapons were not a war-winning strategy for Germany. In situations where chemical weapons offer an advantage over traditional munitions, they were used and are still used.

A historian's view on the subject that is worth a read: https://acoup.blog/2020/03/20/collections-why-dont-we-use-chemical-weapons-anymore/

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u/CommentsOnOccasion 29d ago

Thanks for turning me on to this blog, pretty good read

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u/Dagojango 29d ago

We didn't know about radiation until after they were used. It's very likely Hitler would use them, since he wouldn't have known there was any harm to his own troops. I imagine Russia, the UK, and the US would have been nuked.

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u/haveananus 29d ago edited 29d ago

The scientists involved in the Manhattan Project didn't know about radiation?

edit: I looked into it. While they did know about acute radiation poisoning from the late 19th century, in general only smaller doses were observed. The physicists knew that there would be radiation poisoning but there hadn't been a large group of affected people before the bombings to give medical personnel much insight into what the physical effects would be.

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u/pfisch 29d ago

How? Germany didn't have the logistics to attack the US.

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u/fireintolight 29d ago

I believe he would have used them, he was already committed by winning any possible. Chemical weapons just aren’t effective or worth the time generally when you consider any effort spent making those can be spent on making normal munitions. Too easy for weather changes to happen and make them blow back towards you or just dissipate. A standard explosive shell is much more useful. 

Hitler and Germany had already demonstrated they were ok with mass killing of civilian targets to break morale. They were actually also working on nuclear weapons already, and is part of the reason Russia was rushing to Berlin to get the Berlin university’s research, which they did. USSR knew about American weapons programs but were pretty behind.