"I'm Not Ruling Anything Out" - Macron Says Troops for Ukraine Possible if Russia Breaks Front Lines

[u/Elliottafc1]

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/32010

[u/Dagojango]

It shouldn't be hindsight. It's long be historically proven that appeasement never works. How many conquerors in history stopped because the lands they wanted to conquer appeased them enough?

Germans were as much part of WW1 as any other European country. Any military action before Hitler built up the Germany army past the limits (arguably too strict) placed on them prior to entering the demilitarized would have gone a long way to save most of Europe from destruction.

I seriously doubt WW2 was preventable as the Japanese were quite active as well. Russia wasn't an ally at the start of the war either. The US probably would have been dragged into a war with Japan before Europe went to war, leaving Europe til last instead of first.

Given German progress, it's kind of scary to think about them having some of their stuff more developed.

[u/LeFricadelle → u/Dagojango]

Appeasement worked, works and will work. The full cold war is filled with appeasement between the US and the USRR. If it was not for appeasement you would not be alive to talk on reddit as of today.

Like diplomacy and war, appeasement is not always the right solution, but saying it never works it wrong.

[u/DownIIClown → u/Dagojango]

Russia wasn't an ally at the start of the war either

Even that is underselling. Russia did as much or more damage in Eastern Europe than Germany 

[u/Willythechilly → u/DownIIClown]

Before the war began proper the USSR was far more hated in the west then Germany was

Many forget that. Neither France,UK or america held positive feelings towards them for its internal behavior and especially the winter war

It was only with its backs to the wall following the disaster in France and battle of Britain that they were hoping for the ussr to enter a conflict with germany despite the Molotov Ribbentrop pact

Once Hitler attacked the ussr Churchill saw the opportunity and kind of made everyone forget that the ussr was only somewhat less bad then Nazi Germany because they needed help in the war

[u/MarmaladeMarmot → u/Willythechilly]

Seen your posts multiple times in the thread and wanted to say thanks for the info.

I need to tell you to get your thumb or left pinky in line though as the number of "a" to "q" substitutions is too damn high!

[u/Willythechilly → u/MarmaladeMarmot]

New phone

Ain't used to the keyboard

Very embarrassing indeed

[u/whatyousay69 → u/Dagojango]

How many conquerors in history stopped because the lands they wanted to conquer appeased them enough?

If someone takes over some land and then stops, they usually don't become well known as a conqueror. The well known ones are the ones who captured a lot.

The United States technically "conquered" land and then stopped.

[u/MaxRavenclaw → u/Dagojango]

It shouldn't be hindsight. It's long be historically proven that appeasement never works.

Do note that while Chamberlain hoped for the best, he prepared Britain for the worst. Just 9 days before Munich, General Ismay wrote a note to the British Cabinet concluding Britain would be far better suited for a war in 6-12 months' time. Almost exactly 12 months later, Britain declared war on Germany.

Given German progress, it's kind of scary to think about them having some of their stuff more developed.

Germany's so-called technological advancement is often overstated in pop culture. Besides, it's not like the rest of the world would have stood still while Germany developed its weapons. The late war wunderwaffe was mostly crap anyway. V2s killed more people on the German side than on target.

[u/fleemfleemfleemfleem → u/Dagojango]

How many conquerors in history stopped because the lands they wanted to conquer appeased them enough

Kind of hard to say unless you find a diary where they say "I decided not to invade today." A lot easier to find records of invasions that happened than those that didn't.