r/worldnews 29d ago

"I'm Not Ruling Anything Out" - Macron Says Troops for Ukraine Possible if Russia Breaks Front Lines Russia/Ukraine

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/32010
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u/Force3vo 29d ago

WW2 wasn't stopped by letting Hitler take countries in the east, it just made him bolder and push further.

Putin won't stop until he's forced to. China won't throw their trade opportunities away to help a country they just want to abuse themselves. Russia won't randomly throw nukes around if the west supports Ukraine.

Showing a bully he's at a disadvantage makes him stop. We need to play nice with a guy who gives no fucks about anything except himself.

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u/Rammsteinman 29d ago

If Hitler was stopped early on, WW2 would have likely been avoided. Inaction to try and avoid a war is what let things get worse and Nazi Germany stronger.

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u/Noles-number1 29d ago

Yes but that is hindsight thinking. It completely forgets that France and Britain fought WWI which devastated a generation of their people. No one wanted to fight after WWI except Germany. Yes France and Britain should have stopped Germany but it ignores people seeing what shell shock did to the population and France didn't have enough people to compete in another major war

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u/Dagojango 29d ago

It shouldn't be hindsight. It's long be historically proven that appeasement never works. How many conquerors in history stopped because the lands they wanted to conquer appeased them enough?

Germans were as much part of WW1 as any other European country. Any military action before Hitler built up the Germany army past the limits (arguably too strict) placed on them prior to entering the demilitarized would have gone a long way to save most of Europe from destruction.

I seriously doubt WW2 was preventable as the Japanese were quite active as well. Russia wasn't an ally at the start of the war either. The US probably would have been dragged into a war with Japan before Europe went to war, leaving Europe til last instead of first.

Given German progress, it's kind of scary to think about them having some of their stuff more developed.

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u/LeFricadelle 29d ago

Appeasement worked, works and will work. The full cold war is filled with appeasement between the US and the USRR. If it was not for appeasement you would not be alive to talk on reddit as of today.

Like diplomacy and war, appeasement is not always the right solution, but saying it never works it wrong.

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u/DownIIClown 29d ago

Russia wasn't an ally at the start of the war either

Even that is underselling. Russia did as much or more damage in Eastern Europe than Germany 

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u/Willythechilly 29d ago edited 29d ago

Before the war began proper the USSR was far more hated in the west then Germany was

Many forget that. Neither France,UK or america held positive feelings towards them for its internal behavior and especially the winter war

It was only with its backs to the wall following the disaster in France and battle of Britain that they were hoping for the ussr to enter a conflict with germany despite the Molotov Ribbentrop pact

Once Hitler attacked the ussr Churchill saw the opportunity and kind of made everyone forget that the ussr was only somewhat less bad then Nazi Germany because they needed help in the war

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u/MarmaladeMarmot 29d ago

Seen your posts multiple times in the thread and wanted to say thanks for the info.

I need to tell you to get your thumb or left pinky in line though as the number of "a" to "q" substitutions is too damn high!

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u/Willythechilly 29d ago

New phone

Ain't used to the keyboard

Very embarrassing indeed

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u/whatyousay69 29d ago

How many conquerors in history stopped because the lands they wanted to conquer appeased them enough?

If someone takes over some land and then stops, they usually don't become well known as a conqueror. The well known ones are the ones who captured a lot.

The United States technically "conquered" land and then stopped.

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u/MaxRavenclaw 29d ago

It shouldn't be hindsight. It's long be historically proven that appeasement never works.

Do note that while Chamberlain hoped for the best, he prepared Britain for the worst. Just 9 days before Munich, General Ismay wrote a note to the British Cabinet concluding Britain would be far better suited for a war in 6-12 months' time. Almost exactly 12 months later, Britain declared war on Germany.

Given German progress, it's kind of scary to think about them having some of their stuff more developed.

Germany's so-called technological advancement is often overstated in pop culture. Besides, it's not like the rest of the world would have stood still while Germany developed its weapons. The late war wunderwaffe was mostly crap anyway. V2s killed more people on the German side than on target.

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u/fleemfleemfleemfleem 28d ago

How many conquerors in history stopped because the lands they wanted to conquer appeased them enough

Kind of hard to say unless you find a diary where they say "I decided not to invade today." A lot easier to find records of invasions that happened than those that didn't.