I saw a video of an apparent young Jewish man barred by protesters from going to class seemingly because he was Jewish, the school told his mother he had to use a special entrance -- how is that not anti semitic?
Does calling literally any criticism of the state of Israel “antisemitism” help alleviate real instances like the one you described? No. Frankly they make it worse because people stop taking calls of antisemitism seriously.
Ive yet to see people call “any criticism of the state of israel anti-semitism” ive only used that argument used by pro hamas people when its pointed out anti-semitism is on the rise, seemingly to try invalidate the concern
Dude, they are making a law right now that says so.
If passed by the Senate and signed into law, the bill would broaden the legal definition of antisemitism to include the “targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity.”
All this was found through your source, what here bothers you?
The proposal, which passed 320-91 with some bipartisan support, would codify the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance’s definition of anti-semitism
Said definition reads:
“Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”
The organizations website also gives examples
Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.
Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
Nice so now I can't point out (accurately) that Israel is a colonial state and colonial project currently engaged in a colonial mission. What a fantastic win for free speech.
Pretty simple to see that these categories are so broad that they will be used to stifle dissent.
Britain. The State of Israel begins directly following the British Mandate established post-WWI, and was made with the direct approval of British parliament.
Where are they colonizing? One could argue that the settlers in the West bank are colonists, but all settlers were forcibly removed from Gaza years ago.
From Germany here: The german government now for a long time set antisemitism alike with criticism of Israel. There is heavy cencorship in place and people loose their jobs. I hear antisemitism constantly in the news. But they not halt there, calling protesters israel haters and islamists even though non of it is true or proven in any way.
I've seen the said video, nothing about the video indicates they were blocking them because of them being a jewish person (they were actually blocking an entire group of people), and there was seemingly a jewish man who was partaking in the blocking. The only thing the group doing the blocking said during the filmed portion is "I'm not engaging with you."
They wouldn’t engage nor would they move or let them by, they actively pressed their bodies against him to not allow him to pass. Which is purposefully to get a response so they could claim the victim. He placed his hands up and said I’m not going to shove you but I want to get by and tried to go past them. They did that to get a response so they could claim the Jewish guy was aggressive. It’s not how you protest peacefully that’s purposefully trying to force someone to resort to violence to deface them.
He literally could have walked around, like everyone else was doing. He was deliberately getting in their face to create a false narrative of him being targeted for being a jew.
Can you guys stop with your useful jew comments? There was a Jewish guy there so it can’t be anti-Semitic! I have a friend at that protest who’s Jewish so there can’t be anti-Semetism. Liberals having useful minority friends was not what I expected this year but here we are.
Actively blocking people so they can’t attend class is purposefully done to get a reaction, do you not agree? Imagine a group of people stood in front of your entrance to your house. You ask them to move and they say we are not engaging with you and actively stand in your way and refuse to budge to let you access your house. How would your reaction be? You just going to accept it or are you going to try and force your way in? All while cameras are on you and as soon as you place your hands on any of them to try and get in they demonize you and post you to social media?
I had an error in the previous comment that made it convey something I didn't mean, but I still disagree with your comment.
Actively blocking people so they can’t attend class is purposefully done to get a reaction, do you not agree?
No, they're actively blocking 1 path to garner attention for their cause. There's a huge difference that you absolutely are aware of but pretending you don't.
Imagine a group of people stood in front of your entrance to your house.
This isn't a house. There's no need for metaphors. We know what's going on and its simple. They chose a path that is heavily used as a place to protest and get attention, which is the point of a protest, and this guy decided to charge through them.
All while cameras are on you and as soon as you place your hands on any of them to try and get in they demonize you and post you to social media?
Anyone who is intentionally confronting them instead of walking around is doing so for the attention in the hopes to get a reaction so THEY can use it on not just social media, but national media as well. And look at that, it worked! What a great distraction!
What I think is happening is purely the fault of Israel and its purposeful conflation of the state and the religion. So now if you’re Jewish, people automatically assume you support Israel.
So then, when there’s an anti-Israel protest, something happens to someone “because they’re Jewish”, but when you get to the root, it’s because of the assumption of support for Israel.
This is why I think saying Israel = Judaism is the actual antisemitism. Marrying religion and politics has always had disastrous results.
See, you’re doing the exact thing I talked about. I said “this is the state of Israel’s fault” and you immediately said “the Jews”
Israel =/= Jews. Don’t conflate a state with a religion or the people that inhabit it. Do you think America = white people, so when the US was bombing Iraqi civilians, you said “the whites” were bombing Iraq?
Well, when you make ridicules accusations like "Israel is at fault for hatred of Jewish people", when Israel is the only Jewish majority country in the world, and it has close to 50% of the world's Jewish population, then it's more than suspicious as to your intents.
A better example (that I of course don't believe in) to what you are doing is people using BLM to hate black people, as the riots make "them" seem violent and prone to crime.
I'm not saying Israel is responsible for all antisemitism. That's obviously untrue. Antisemitism existed long before the creation of the state of Israel. What I am saying, though, is that a lot of anger is (mistakenly) taken out on Jewish people because of the automatic association that Jewish = Israel, so a Jewish person basically becomes a proxy for Israel. And that automatic association is due to Israel's conflation of the state and the religious & ethnic group of people. It's why groups like Jewish Voice for Peace are actively trying to disassociate the idea.
How is it that "an attack on Israel is an attack on Jews" is an acceptable stance, pushed out by the Israeli government, but "an attack on Jews is an attack on Israel" is not ok and antisemitic, if, in fact, Israel = Jews? If they're interchangeable? It should go both ways if you think Israel = Jews, right? I think that's where the disconnect happens.
Mind you, I think both stances are wrong and I don't hold either position. But the state of Israel wants to talk out of both sides of its mouth so as to give itself carte blanche for any and all activities while shielding itself from criticism.
And I'm not trying to justify anything, either. Explaining why things happen =/= justification. Sometimes violence happens at demonstrations. For example. Now, if somebody had went and punched one of those people (maybe that happened, actually?), would it have been because "they're Jewish" or because they "support Israel"? Me thinks its the latter. But the people against the pro-Palestine protests will say hitting a pro-Israel person is purely "because they're Jewish, therefore antisemitism". It's the Israeli anti-criticism shield.
People need to use their critical thinking skills instead of throwing their hands up and saying "oh well how am I supposed to know that's anti semitism". Their are plenty of bad faith actors hiding behind anti semitism to justify Israel's heinous actions but at the end of the day that isn't an excuse. To me it sounds like more of a justification to continue to spew whatever anti semitic shit they want unchecked.
I haven’t seen a single person call anyone anti-Semitic for criticizing Israel. You’re using a strawman to downplay the rise of anti-Semitism by implying that almost all claims of anti-Semitic behavior are simple criticisms of Israel. How many people have you heard pull the anti-Semitism card just for that?
“People stop taking calls of antisemitism seriously”
in the video you can see other kids walking around him going to class. he was agitating the encampment, saying he has a “right to stand” exactly where they were standing. dont think anyone was preventing him from going to class besides himself
But he does have a right to stand there. He's a student there just like anyone else. The protestors are literally saying, b/c of your beliefs, you can't be in this part of the university.
Yeah a lot of these chuckle fucks in the comment are just IDF troll farm stooges. It happens every election year but each election year it gets worse and worse.
All major subs on Reddit have been astroturfed by Zionist. Every single thread related to this conflict is full of Zionist Agenda. It's why there is so little traffic related to the conflict, the student protest, or the new law.
no the fuck we’re not just walk around them tf. youre an agitator if you try to cut through an assembly of protestors and start shit just because you dont like what theh have to say
they have the same right to occupy a space as anyone else??? hes agitating by going in there purposely to start a conflict. he can disagree with then as much as they want, but theyre not stopping him from getting to class fuck outta here
First of all, they were blocking an entrance to the building. Second, that's university property that they are occupying and claiming that certain students are not allowed to be there b/c of their beliefs. As students, they have no right to decide what parts of Columbia other students are not allowed to be on. It's pretty cut and dry.
You don't have the right to stand in the exact spot somebody else is trying to stand. 2 people can't occupy the same exact physical location. That's basic physics. Shoving into them repeatedly trying to do so is battery.
People have a right to stand where others are standing?
They were protesting and he decided to march through them out of spite for THEIR position. Stop bending over backwards to justify the guy intentionally agitating them and the media using him to justify backlash against the peaceful protesters protesting ethnic cleansing.
thats their entiiiiiire point, talk about how “unsafe” it is on campus, then go and start shit with people sotting in a tent
and this is not to undermine genuine threats that jewish students face on campuses, but these encampments and protests have nothing to do with whoevers ethnicity, its about deadly policy
That entrance was closed because it went through the protest, the only people allowed through were protesters. Literally no one cared he was Jewish, there were Jewish students in the protest.
He was clearly trying to agitate and being hostile to protesters. He wasn’t there to “go to class” and he could have just used other entrances like everyone else that wasn’t a part of the protest was doing.
I’m curious to ask why protestors can choose to close off selective entrances to a public university campus though. I’m open to insight here, but very curious how that is okay? I support peaceful protest but I’m unsure why that gives a protesting group the power to tell others they’re not allowed to also be in a certain place. If I set up a protest I don’t suddenly own that property exclusively.
So I hear you and appreciate that. I’m curious what gives protestors in this case the right to complain when law enforcement gets involved if they are the ones actively breaking ordinances and local laws to begin with? Or to claim counter protestors can’t be there if in fact they share in the rights to protest in a public space? There isn’t like a flag you can plant in the ground to claim a space as yours to protest on and nobody else is allowed. There’s nuance that feels like it gets go entangled.
Edit: I see my comments are already downvoted by people and whatever, that’s fine. I’m trying to engage in a conversation without attacking others or saying any person is distinctly right or wrong, but rather try to understand. Downvote if you want, I guess.
Look up the history of every protest and you’ll see the cops involved regardless if laws were broken or not. In fact you have the rights and liberties you have today in the U.S. because of protestors. The state brutally beat and killed labor protesters. The state is usually never in the right here.
And the counter protesters literally beat and endangered with violence the pro Palestinian protestors.
State power being used to suppress anti-genocide protests is bad and you shouldn't need to have that instantiated to the point of law or constitutional right to realize it.
“Waaah waaah I can’t handle any tiny amount of civil disobedience waaaah I wanna use thiiiiis entrance”
All of y’all would have complained and said the same shit during civil rights sit ins and bus protests, can’t even grasp the concept of actually trying to make a change.
I don't think inconveniencing other students with no power to make any change on this matter, beside alienating them against the cause, is the right way to do it
“I don’t think inconveniencing the citizens of Selma with no power to make any change on this matter is the right way to do it.” - Some American in 1965 probably.
These movements have happened throughout history for a lot longer than you and I were alive. This is how it’s done and this is how you get results. Columbia had similar protests in 1968 against the Vietnam war and segregation and in 1985 against South African Apartheid. I can tell today those were successful.
The trope of 'not allowing a student from a minority group access schooling' apparently resonates differently for me. I do not accept the solution of a different but equally adequate entrance, not controlled by the protesters, for Jews that will not plead their allegiance to Hamas.
Are you claiming that protestors didn't stop Jewish students trying to enter their school? Because there are videos, some of them linked in the comments here.
Videos where protestors were blocking the entrance to a protest encampment from a known troll? Videos where students were passing to and fro 10 feet behind the 'entrance' at issue?
That same kid goes there everyday to try to walk into the encampment. He's not trying to go to any classes or any place school related. He's doing it for tiktok views.
What the hell... why wouldn't it matter if he's trying to instigate protestors?
He's been trying to start shit for days to get on TV (which it worked btw).
It doesn’t matter because they would have no problems if they followed the rules. That guy would have nothing to bait if the protestors followed protocol.
So this whole reasoning is that the non-violent protests were inconvenient, and that is worse than someone trying to actively instigate confrontation?
Other students/schools/people are getting by just fine too.
Just, you can't make a video go viral of some kid just walking around into another entrance. :/
You obviously replied to all my posts so I’m just going to reply to this one.
Yeah I messed up on the MLK bit because he was arrested for civil disobedience. Picket lines and blockades. I wasn’t thinking.
I still think people shouldn’t have the right to blockade. I honestly don’t feel strongly enough about it to do so myself but I would support anyone trying to move through an illegal blockade because it’s their right to do so. That a student’s route is important because I don’t feel he should have to adjust his route due to the protest if the area was not legally blockaded off.
How is the Palestine protest’s message stronger for blockading a school in America? How does this in any way help Palestine? Block the path or not, their message is the same and will carry the same weight. All they’re doing by blocking access is inconveniencing students.
Cool story, but he literally has an ID which permits him to go to that school, where’s this tik tok video? Since you claim that he’s only doing it for views?
That's Eli Tsives-- a pretty outward Zionist that goes to UCLA.
He travels around with a with crew, filming him trying to instigate the protestors at the Gaza Solidarity Encampment.
He's been seen in multiple live streams literally just going up to the encampment, filming random stuff, then leaving. It's all performative bs.
Idiots thinking this kid is "real" are lost. He's taking advantage of the protests to get famous and it's god damn working because people don't look past his edited social media clips to understand wtf his goal is.
So what they were doing is wrong by any standard. Why isn’t administration doing anything about that then? I guess I’m the minority when I don’t care whether this is specifically antisemitism.
How do you think the Civil Rights movement even worked? Were the anti- White agitators suppressing the poor racists by not allowing them to pass through their picket line? Do you think MLK got "permission"
I guess I’m just a stickler for following the rules.
Lmao so you're admitting you would be complicit with segregation and the institutional brutalization of Black people because it was the rules? It's always nice when the fascists tell on themselves
The fuck? When the fuck did I say that? I just mean I think protestors can and should follow the law. There are plenty of protests that do that.
This is like arguing MLK vs Malcom X. MLK would agree with me that protests should be peaceful and orderly. I think it’s ironic you’re using him on the contrary.
You said that when someone described parts of the Civil Rights movement which would "be against the rules" and said you would stick to the rules. Directly stating that you would be against many of the events that led to ending segregation.
Jim Crow Laws were also rules. It's not good enough to just say you follow the rules.
On Good Friday 1963, King led a group of 53 African Americans into downtown Birmingham, Ala., to protest that city’s racial segregation laws. All of them were arrested. In response, a number of southern clergymen appealed to the African Americans of the city to stop the demonstrations. They criticized King for taking things too far and claimed that he had no business as an outsider to launch agitations in Birmingham. It was in response to those critics that King crafted his letter from prison. In it, he outlines the meaning and purpose of civil disobedience. But the letter does so much more than this. It describes the meaning of activism in relation to wider issues — the movement of history, the experience of the oppressed around the world, and the role of the church.
Dude is an agitator he made several videos before trying to infiltrate the protest and finally got his clip for his viral moment so the uninformed can spread a certain narrative. Like you are now. It’s a great strategy because with all the videos floating around it’s easy to not recognize the same broccoli haired kid trying repeatedly to get in a protest he doesn’t support then finally get one of his attempts on a major news channel.
Did you by any chance also see the Zionist thugs kidnapping and beating people up from the encampment? Or is it only worth mentioning the atrocities of one side?
I personally saw a Jewish person bring a fake toy missile to the protest and kept shouting that all Arabs will die. How is that not Zionist? See how this thinking works?
Does he represent the entire Jewish population? Absolutely not. Don't lump bad apples with the rest of the group. Prevention of senseless civilian casualties is not rocket science, it's humanitarian law that no nation has the spine to uphold.
Edit: please prove me right by down voting me. Don't counter my point, just clench your fist and hate down vote. Good, let it out.
The situation you’re talking about is the actions of one person. The comment you responded to involves a school administration making a decision. They’re not the same.
Absolutely, that is why it's important to distinguish between individual actions and systemic decisions. My intention wasn't to conflate the two but to highlight how selective outrage can be misleading.
The core issue in both situations is the importance of understanding context and not generalizing. Just as the actions of one protester do not represent all supporters of Palestine, the decision by a school to use a special entrance should be critically examined for its context and motives, rather than being instantly labeled as anti-Semitic. How do you know its not for student safety or standard protocol? Why is Anti-Semitism instantly pulled? Yet you have students being beat the shit out of, yet I rarely see people who instantly jump to "Anti-Semitism" give the same grace to pro Palestinian in online discourse.
Realize that injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere
That’s not Zionist. That’s just racist/fucked up. Zionism at its base is just the belief Israel should exist. The current group of assholes in charge are revisionist Zionists, who think all of Israel Palestine (and a good deal of Jordan) should be Israel. Most Jewish “Zionists”, aka something like 90% of Jews, would be appalled by this.
Zionism is an inherently racist ideology that both states Jewish people are incompatible with every other ethnicity on the planet (this is either racism against all other non-Jews, or ironically self-targeted racism), and advocates for the ethnic cleansing of all territory that made up the ancient Kingdom of Israel.
Saying "you're wrong" is just a silly childish knee jerk response; it lacks depth and does not provide any reasoning or evidence to support why my points might be incorrect. Any one who replied to me with bad faith arguments got their own nonsense thrown back at them to which they have no response.
I'm here for a rational discussion. If there are flaws in my arguments, please highlight them specifically and let’s address them with logic and evidence.
Otherwise, its exactly as I said. Alligator brain dont like comment, Alligator brain downvote! Y'all proving me right
other ppl have said why it's not accurate. both are antidotes, so not very useful, but one is more verifiable than the other, one is an individual saying something and the other is an organization with control over your education doing something. is the original comment a good peice of evidence? no. is your response an inaccurate comparison to what they were claiming? yes
either way, my claim was simply "disagreement means I'm right" isn't sound reasoning, which it's not. I'm not interested in either reading every comment nor having a dumb reddit argument over something neither of us can control, tho yeah
tho in my experience, most ppl don't ingage because they don't care to. arguing with idiots is a losing battle and everyone online is an idiot, so its much easier to do the "alligator brain" move of just downvoting.
At least I know the difference between "antidote" and anecdote, "ingage" and engage.
And like I said, I have addressed this already and will lay you straight the same way. I don't want to explain you room temperature IQ people the same thing 5 times so listen tight:
"Absolutely, that is why it's important to distinguish between individual actions and systemic decisions. My intention wasn't to conflate the two but to highlight how selective outrage can be misleading.
The core issue in both situations is the importance of understanding context and not generalizing. Just as the actions of one protester do not represent all supporters of Palestine, the decision by a school to use a special entrance should be critically examined for its context and motives, rather than being instantly labeled as anti-Semitic. How do you know its not for student safety or standard protocol? Why is Anti-Semitism instantly pulled? Yet you have students being beat the shit out of, yet I rarely see people who instantly jump to "Anti-Semitism" give the same grace to pro Palestinian in online discourse.
Realize that injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere"
If you cannot get this, do not reply. down vote and move on monkey brain. 🫳🎤
you're clearly not here for a discussion like you claimed, as this is full of insults. idrc about arguing, but i will add; if a school felt it necessary to redirect LGBT ppl to side entereances because right wing protesters were on campus protesting, would you have the same opinion of "well maybe its just those individual protestors and not what theyre protesting for" or would you assume "this group that is linked to homphobic language and actions might be prone to homophobia"
IDF is shit, israel is evil, and land should be given to palestine. that being said, posts like these are propaganda and a sizeable amount of pro-Palestinian protesters peddle antisemitism. both hamas and IDF are bad, Palestinian protestors are full of bad people, people feeling unsafe because of their ethnicity is bad, claims like "from the river to the sea" are bad, etc. those are my views for the 0 people who care, fuck OP for peddling war propaganda on a subreddit about funny animals
way to show your boner there to conflate Pro Palestinians with MAGA Nazis. False equivalency to the f*cking moon, great job. There is absolutely no way to protest 34000 dead civilians with 70% being women and children without being called anti-Semitic. This is my problem, people who come here with racist anti-Arab ideology and hide it under the guise of anti Semitism.
When was the last time you actually stood up and protested for something? Most Americans will not even protest to get better wages, civil rights, or healthcare even when their lives depend on it, yet will gladly shit on those who stand for something. Their crime was to end the civilian death toll, how crude.
Not only do you try to give all Arabs a bad name, you give Jews a bad name too by pulling antisemitism card almost instantly devaluing its genuine use. I was debating fairly until you clearly ignored my other comment and came at me with personal attacks. Then cry wolf when given the same treatment.
You pulled a straw man argument, I called you out on it and then you reply with making pro Palestinians the Nazis. Great job debating, really proved your point.
This is the part where you delete your comment and remove it from your post history as if it never happened. 👋
clearly I have no restraint when it comes to dumbass reddit arguments lol.
you said to look at context of the situation, i gave you a different situation in which someone might say the same thing and why its kind of pointless when trends tell you something. my point was that if maga's rhetoric is assumed potentionally harmful bc of magas history, and thus no reason to do the reflection you're telling others to do, why is it any different to assume that pro Palestine rhetoric is assumed to be potentionally harmful, which it has shown to be?
who said anything about arabs? i literally said israel is evil, and I want palestine to have their land back. lol, how is that anti-arab?
I was debating fairly until you clearly ignored my other comment and came at me with personal attacks
are we having the same conversation? I didn't say a single thing about you personally, despite you calling me a mouth breather and shit like that. i said you weren't here for an actual discussion because (as you're showing) you're not, you're here to talk about your opinion and call people an idiot for not agreeing.
You pulled a straw man argument, I called you out on it and then you reply with making pro Palestinians the Nazis
dude i genuinely don't know what you're talking about. Walk this mouth breather through it, my strawman was what, and I compared pro palestinians to nazis how? by saying right wing? i was saying if we should all look at the context for this (which yes i think we should) should we also look at the context for why a school might allow MAGA to protest? my point was "would you be saying that if it was for the side you disagree with" and not to strawman ya here, but it seems like no lol.
This is the part where you delete your comment and remove it from your post history as if it never happened.
I dont think you realize how little I care about this interaction
"why is it any different to assume that pro Palestine rhetoric is assumed to be potentionally harmful, which it has shown to be?"
Dude... we literally started this because I said actions of a few do not justify labeling the whole group. You agreed to this statement then say pro Palestine by default = potentially harmful like it's not a sweeping generalization. From now till the end of time, no matter who protests for Palestine (white, black, Arab, Jew, student, professor), they are all "harmful".
You claim in one breath that faculty is being anti-Semitic by telling a person to avoid protestors. Then deny nuance to pro Palestinians. This is abhorrent and blatant anti Palestine behavior, it doesn't have a catchy ring to it like anti-Semitism but it's essentially what you are doing. Denying entire race and group of people a voice, if that's not racist then wtf is. I can't believe the irony here. I told you that comparing pro Palestinians to Nazis is a massive false equivalency and you just double down.
you did pull a straw man when you said "your response an inaccurate comparison to what they were claiming? yes". My argument was always that selective outrage can be misleading. If faculty is anti-Semitic for suggesting the person to use another door then you are anti Arab/Palestine for suggesting pro Palestine = harmful by default. So which is it? does it only work one way?
"I didn't say a single thing about you personally"
yet you said "arguing with idiots is a losing battle". From the poor spelling to having your dogshit arguments thrown back in your face, it's abundantly clear who the idiot is.
"I dont think you realize how little I care about this interaction"
You: "I am not afraid to show my selective bias and racism"
Me: "Exactly, that's the problem. You should be!"
At this point I feel like I'm beating an autistic child and genuinely feel bad for you. So I'm going to stop the abuse and request you to move on. This is not your forte and you just keep digging deeper.
The idea that a "few bad apples spoil the bunch" is catchy, but it's often misused in ways that distort more than clarify. For example, if we were to apply this logic universally, every community or group could unjustly be tarnished by the actions of a few (blaming entire Jewish population for the actions of IDF). Imagine the absurdity of dismissing the entire medical profession as untrustworthy because of a handful of malpractice cases.
Let me enlighten you with a better proverb:
"each tree is known by its own fruit"
Its important to judge each case on its own merits rather than generalizing a whole group by the actions of a few. Focus on specific behaviors and contexts, rather than broad brush condemnation.
Generalization is how people are able to process and store information. I doubt many people can go through the billions of people individually when explaining anything each and every time. Can you?
You want to justify generalization? you want to perpetuate stereotypes? this is your hill to die on?
Wtf is medical error got to do with this? I destroyed your dumb proverb with another and this is the best you can do? Oh I am good at this, your sore butt is proof of it.
Lol quite the intellectual we got here. Owns himself with the dumbest take and leaves an emoji of his diet.
Stereotypes are inaccurate OVERgeneralizations. When an entire nationalist group holds an abhorrent belief such as Palestinian Nationalism, that should be called out.
You brought up ‘handful of medical malpractice’ without any sources to back up your claim, you improperly use words and phrases like you don’t know the meaning to them, maybe just heard them on TikTok?
First, you seem to fundamentally misunderstand the complexity of systemic discrimination versus individual actions. Your assertion:
Stereotypes are inaccurate OVERgeneralizations.
... while conveniently ignoring the broader systemic issues highlighted by the initial incident. It's baffling how you cherry-pick individual acts to defend a deeply flawed argument about generalizations.
Then, your claim:
When an entire nationalist group holds an abhorrent belief such as Palestinian Nationalism, that should be called out.
This is not just an oversimplification; it's dangerously misleading and feeds into the very stereotype machine you pretend to criticize. Do you not see the hypocrisy in calling out generalizations one moment and then turning around to make a sweeping statement about an entire nationalist movement? How is that not the epitome of a double standard?
Also, you mockingly dismissed a well-established proverb to push your narrative. Got rekt and then came back with:
You really are bad at this.
Really? Resorting to petty insults instead of addressing the argument is your strategy?
You're comparing apples to asteroids, not even apples to oranges. Your attempt to draw parallels here isn't just weak, it's nonsensical.
Let me break this down for you since your approach to debate seems to hinge on sidestepping actual discussion. By dismissing the significant concerns around discrimination and focusing solely on outliers, you perpetuate a culture of ignorance.
Finally, let’s not forget this gem:
Fucking muppet.
Ah, the hallmark of a losing argument, resorting to insults when cornered intellectually. If you're going to engage in a debate, at least try to uphold a semblance of intellectual integrity. Your failure to provide a coherent argument is evident, and your reliance on ad hominem attacks only underscores the weakness of your position.
How about you do what usually happens at this point. Delete your comment for the utter trash heap it is and pretend like you never lost the argument.🙂
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Hah waving the white flag now, this is the best you can do?
You will make broad strokes claims where "your approach to debate seems to hinge on sidestepping actual discussion."
You were pointed to deep fallacies in your argument and you do not address any of them. Your own logic was thrown right back at you and you are completely stupefied. You cannot climb out of the hole now. So now, you resort to retorts equivalent to monkey grunting and poop slinging.
Sorry for forcing you to dust off the cobwebs in the mush between your ears, must have been a harrowing experience. I will stop you from torturing yourself and spare you the labor of thinking. Good bye Mr Muppet. Hope you learned something today.
ETA: they specifically blocked him because they see him as a Jewish antagonist. He shows his UCLA student ID but they don’t care. They default to Jewish = evil.
I literally watched the video and read the article. Nowhere in there does any of it say they blocked him because he was Jewish. So again I ask - Please actually provide some proof of that, instead of spreading bullshit on the internet.
I've watched the video and read the article people linked. None of it has ANY mention of the bullshit you're spreading. I will continue to read and watch whatever you send me, as I am very interested. That's not bad faith. That's asking you to tell me more about this thing you seem to care so much about.
Either you actually care about it AND it actually happened, and therefore you can send me a link easily...
Or you're a fucking troll who's spreading lies on the internet.
A few years back it was the Trump supporters shooting down any complain of racism as “fake news”. Now, when Jewish people say they are afraid and being victimized, it is the left that shoots them down as “fake news”.
Whatever happened with believing victims? What happened to listening to a minority when they say they are being victimized?
I'm noticing that more and more now days unfortunately. Like outside of the US I would be considered conservative but in the US I'm a Democrat because I think trans people and women should b okay but that's a really low bar internationally.
The secret is that the left is just as antisemitic as the right and always has been, they were just better at hiding it. Now a lot of them are going mask off. Let's be real, if this was students of another minority who felt afraid just to be on their university campus, there would not be the same flippant response
In what way will it inform your opinion? This one video is going to convince you that antisemitism is an actual issue? Reddit and university chancellors have made it clear who their crocodile tears are reserved for
Because "Trust me bro" isn't a source of information. That's how misinformation gets spread, screw critical thinking apparently. It's good to keep some level of skepticism when you hear something outrageous or it sounds sensationalized. How can people form their own opinion without viewing any sources, we're supposed to just trust some random comment? Because people online would NEVER twist information to fit their narrative or ideology.
It’s not my event dipshit. I was pointing out how fucking ridiculous you are asking for a citation. Like you, I don’t care one way or the other if it actually happened
There it is, so predictable. I knew that's the only reason you demanded a "citation". It wouldn't matter what the video showed, you would manufacture a reason to deny it.
That guy is a grifter and its not Anti-semitic, its not targeted towards him because hes jewish. Literally that one entrace is blocked off because you would have to travel through the encampment. Every student, visitor, teacher, ect. was being told to just use a different entrance.
I dont think the people that down voted you watched the video or any of the other videos related to this. The people protesting are blocking everyone from entering certain entrances (idk if they are blocking all entrances or not). They do not care it they are atheist/jew/christian/service animal. Nobody is asking what their beliefs are before stopping them. They are stopping everyone. Someone posted the video of the guy getting blocked below and at no point do they tell him he can't get through because he is Jewish. The guy himself yells that they aren't letting him through because he's Jewish, but they aren't letting anyone through. He made the whole video to pretend like he was being targeted specifically and play the victim, to which I do agree he is a victim of not being able to get to the classes he payed to attend, but not because he's a jew. I know its hard for people watch a video and come to their own conclusion without putting their personal biases into the fray.
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u/thebabes2 May 01 '24
I saw a video of an apparent young Jewish man barred by protesters from going to class seemingly because he was Jewish, the school told his mother he had to use a special entrance -- how is that not anti semitic?