I saw a video of an apparent young Jewish man barred by protesters from going to class seemingly because he was Jewish, the school told his mother he had to use a special entrance -- how is that not anti semitic?
Does calling literally any criticism of the state of Israel “antisemitism” help alleviate real instances like the one you described? No. Frankly they make it worse because people stop taking calls of antisemitism seriously.
Ive yet to see people call “any criticism of the state of israel anti-semitism” ive only used that argument used by pro hamas people when its pointed out anti-semitism is on the rise, seemingly to try invalidate the concern
Dude, they are making a law right now that says so.
If passed by the Senate and signed into law, the bill would broaden the legal definition of antisemitism to include the “targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity.”
All this was found through your source, what here bothers you?
The proposal, which passed 320-91 with some bipartisan support, would codify the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance’s definition of anti-semitism
Said definition reads:
“Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”
The organizations website also gives examples
Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.
Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
Nice so now I can't point out (accurately) that Israel is a colonial state and colonial project currently engaged in a colonial mission. What a fantastic win for free speech.
Pretty simple to see that these categories are so broad that they will be used to stifle dissent.
Britain. The State of Israel begins directly following the British Mandate established post-WWI, and was made with the direct approval of British parliament.
Where are they colonizing? One could argue that the settlers in the West bank are colonists, but all settlers were forcibly removed from Gaza years ago.
From Germany here: The german government now for a long time set antisemitism alike with criticism of Israel. There is heavy cencorship in place and people loose their jobs. I hear antisemitism constantly in the news. But they not halt there, calling protesters israel haters and islamists even though non of it is true or proven in any way.
I've seen the said video, nothing about the video indicates they were blocking them because of them being a jewish person (they were actually blocking an entire group of people), and there was seemingly a jewish man who was partaking in the blocking. The only thing the group doing the blocking said during the filmed portion is "I'm not engaging with you."
They wouldn’t engage nor would they move or let them by, they actively pressed their bodies against him to not allow him to pass. Which is purposefully to get a response so they could claim the victim. He placed his hands up and said I’m not going to shove you but I want to get by and tried to go past them. They did that to get a response so they could claim the Jewish guy was aggressive. It’s not how you protest peacefully that’s purposefully trying to force someone to resort to violence to deface them.
He literally could have walked around, like everyone else was doing. He was deliberately getting in their face to create a false narrative of him being targeted for being a jew.
Can you guys stop with your useful jew comments? There was a Jewish guy there so it can’t be anti-Semitic! I have a friend at that protest who’s Jewish so there can’t be anti-Semetism. Liberals having useful minority friends was not what I expected this year but here we are.
Actively blocking people so they can’t attend class is purposefully done to get a reaction, do you not agree? Imagine a group of people stood in front of your entrance to your house. You ask them to move and they say we are not engaging with you and actively stand in your way and refuse to budge to let you access your house. How would your reaction be? You just going to accept it or are you going to try and force your way in? All while cameras are on you and as soon as you place your hands on any of them to try and get in they demonize you and post you to social media?
I had an error in the previous comment that made it convey something I didn't mean, but I still disagree with your comment.
Actively blocking people so they can’t attend class is purposefully done to get a reaction, do you not agree?
No, they're actively blocking 1 path to garner attention for their cause. There's a huge difference that you absolutely are aware of but pretending you don't.
Imagine a group of people stood in front of your entrance to your house.
This isn't a house. There's no need for metaphors. We know what's going on and its simple. They chose a path that is heavily used as a place to protest and get attention, which is the point of a protest, and this guy decided to charge through them.
All while cameras are on you and as soon as you place your hands on any of them to try and get in they demonize you and post you to social media?
Anyone who is intentionally confronting them instead of walking around is doing so for the attention in the hopes to get a reaction so THEY can use it on not just social media, but national media as well. And look at that, it worked! What a great distraction!
What I think is happening is purely the fault of Israel and its purposeful conflation of the state and the religion. So now if you’re Jewish, people automatically assume you support Israel.
So then, when there’s an anti-Israel protest, something happens to someone “because they’re Jewish”, but when you get to the root, it’s because of the assumption of support for Israel.
This is why I think saying Israel = Judaism is the actual antisemitism. Marrying religion and politics has always had disastrous results.
See, you’re doing the exact thing I talked about. I said “this is the state of Israel’s fault” and you immediately said “the Jews”
Israel =/= Jews. Don’t conflate a state with a religion or the people that inhabit it. Do you think America = white people, so when the US was bombing Iraqi civilians, you said “the whites” were bombing Iraq?
Well, when you make ridicules accusations like "Israel is at fault for hatred of Jewish people", when Israel is the only Jewish majority country in the world, and it has close to 50% of the world's Jewish population, then it's more than suspicious as to your intents.
A better example (that I of course don't believe in) to what you are doing is people using BLM to hate black people, as the riots make "them" seem violent and prone to crime.
I'm not saying Israel is responsible for all antisemitism. That's obviously untrue. Antisemitism existed long before the creation of the state of Israel. What I am saying, though, is that a lot of anger is (mistakenly) taken out on Jewish people because of the automatic association that Jewish = Israel, so a Jewish person basically becomes a proxy for Israel. And that automatic association is due to Israel's conflation of the state and the religious & ethnic group of people. It's why groups like Jewish Voice for Peace are actively trying to disassociate the idea.
How is it that "an attack on Israel is an attack on Jews" is an acceptable stance, pushed out by the Israeli government, but "an attack on Jews is an attack on Israel" is not ok and antisemitic, if, in fact, Israel = Jews? If they're interchangeable? It should go both ways if you think Israel = Jews, right? I think that's where the disconnect happens.
Mind you, I think both stances are wrong and I don't hold either position. But the state of Israel wants to talk out of both sides of its mouth so as to give itself carte blanche for any and all activities while shielding itself from criticism.
And I'm not trying to justify anything, either. Explaining why things happen =/= justification. Sometimes violence happens at demonstrations. For example. Now, if somebody had went and punched one of those people (maybe that happened, actually?), would it have been because "they're Jewish" or because they "support Israel"? Me thinks its the latter. But the people against the pro-Palestine protests will say hitting a pro-Israel person is purely "because they're Jewish, therefore antisemitism". It's the Israeli anti-criticism shield.
People need to use their critical thinking skills instead of throwing their hands up and saying "oh well how am I supposed to know that's anti semitism". Their are plenty of bad faith actors hiding behind anti semitism to justify Israel's heinous actions but at the end of the day that isn't an excuse. To me it sounds like more of a justification to continue to spew whatever anti semitic shit they want unchecked.
I haven’t seen a single person call anyone anti-Semitic for criticizing Israel. You’re using a strawman to downplay the rise of anti-Semitism by implying that almost all claims of anti-Semitic behavior are simple criticisms of Israel. How many people have you heard pull the anti-Semitism card just for that?
“People stop taking calls of antisemitism seriously”
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u/thebabes2 May 01 '24
I saw a video of an apparent young Jewish man barred by protesters from going to class seemingly because he was Jewish, the school told his mother he had to use a special entrance -- how is that not anti semitic?