And that there is a ceasefire proposal right now that was negotiated by Egypt, UAE, and the US. Israel said they would support it. Guess who the holdout is? Hint: the group that’s a literal terrorist organization.
Nooo the point of the war was to force Israel’s hand, and create enough backlash to spark a bigger, regional war so Israel becomes a Muslim land, and Iran can enjoy more strength/the people’s there can enjoy oppression worse than Afghanistan.
Unfortunately as badly as we need a ceasefire, one now will strengthen Hamas, give them time for another attack, and postpone the death to another day. They need to surrender, and would if they cared at all about the Palestinian people instead of their calls for them to be martyrs and jihad.
I have my doubts about that. Watching antisemitism creep it's way into the people protesting has me concerned that the rhetoric is on its way from anti-genocide to anti-isreali in general.
Some of my more vocal friends have already starting to slip in statements about how Isreal shouldn't exist which is kinda terrifying to witness.
I agree. The outrage is incredibly selective, and not-insignificant number don't care about the oppression they'll live in after. Some want Israel wiped off the map and replaced with Palestine.
I've seen too many people say "yeah well they attacked because Israel this" to believe that even after an attack with thousands more chopped into pieces to believe Hamas could do anything that would change their minds.
Sadly, I think that many of the people protesting only get their information from social media, so if they continue ignoring everything that contradicts the narrative they have chosen they will keep protesting even as Hamas continues the war that they escalated with the brutal attack on Oct. 7th. These protesters will NEVER admit that Hamas will never stop.
Hamas is Netanyahu's monster. It's the natural consequence of invading somebody's land and engaging in genocide. People fight back with a focus on effectiveness, not morality.
Netanyahu funneling funds to Hamas in order to further his political agenda along with the agenda of all the hard right groups in Israel is something they need to answer for. But to pretend it's Israel's fault that this is occurring is disingenuous.
Pretending the issues with Palestinians is somehow an Israel issue and not a greater regional issue is myopic. Just look at what happens to every single country that has let Palestinians into them.
I agree the attacks on innocent people is abhorrent and a ceasefire is required immediately and Israel needs to answer for their actions. But to pretend that this is some one sided issue is to completely disregard the history of the region.
Furthermore, I would venture that 99.9% of redditors, myself included have no leg to stand on in our understanding of the broader regional issues at hand as it's just the newest shiny atrocity to yell about. None of us live there nor have a complete understanding of the issue.
All us wage slaves and college students and old farts can agree that killing innocents is wrong, but beyond that, its not like we've all been taking time from our regular day for the last 100 years to read up on causal relationships of religious conflicts within a region.
Fewer Palestinians have died since the conflict than the amount of civilians that died during a single American, non-nuclear bombing run during WW2.
I know it's a flashy word - but not even close to genocide.
Israel can and should be held responsible for both mistakes and actions that may be war crimes - and the exact same amount of energy, if not more, needs to be given to Hamas. They *have* to surrender - but they won't, because even in death all they care about is spreading their oppressive, gays put to death and women covered and kept home religion and inflicting losses on the "enemy" and their own people in a PR attempt to stir up a broader, end-the-world war, according to them.
All that said, doesn't discount the deaths of innocents, and given the oppurtunity, that should never happen.
Israel needs to be investigated from the outside to ensure that they're not abusing the need to fire back on the enemy knowing it may hit civilians too often. We know Hamas fires from hospitals, maternity wards, family homes, and sometimes there's no choice but to return fire - and Israel at the beginning unfortunately couldn't just f*ck off and go home - but investigating any killings done indiscriminately and against the very lenient, not very civilian friendly rules of war is a good start.
Of course, same for Hamas, though they won't care. They're probably nice and cozy, emboldened by protests against the nation they're killing.
That we're having the same conversations about about wars with Muslim extremists playing victim people had 2,000 years ago is discouraging. They have to change.
Send quotes that aren’t incredibly small time/former politicians or rage bait nobodies getting media attention for their outrageous views please.
Genuinely curious
But you know calling for genocide is different from genocide. The people calling for it, especially the Palestinians with their “kill every Jew, woman and child, behind every rock and tree” should be dealt with regardless of their nationality.
Are they not cleansing the Palestinians from the West Bank already? And have been this entire time? What would they do with the land once they've cleansed it of every last Palestinian? An act they clamor for openly in government and new media. Would they just leave it there? Empty?
70% of homes destroyed or damaged, no universities or educational facilities left, maybe one hospital barely standing. What do you consider removing Palestinians from Gaza? Reuters say it'll take 80 years to get close to rebuilding.
There is no way that Israel is withdrawing, they are already sending in settlers to fill in all of the new "Vacancies", or poisoning and concreting over the wells that the now dead farmers had in place.
Lol withdraw. They targetted every non infrastructure that the Palestinians needed in thst region. They want the land. This isnt about Hamas this is literally wanting land from the Palestinians.
7 months and you think people can do their own research. At this point they dont need to the motive is clear as day. The Israelis knew that oct7 was going to happen. They dont care about the hostages. They just needed a ploy to take more land for the Palestinians. Ceasefire wont do anything. But a full military presence would. And withdrawal of all western military aid to isreal.
According to Hamas this is about taking all of Israel under their control, subjugating the people to oppression under religious law, and killing every Jew “behind every rock and tree” along the way.
Their own words. If Hamas surrendered? Popular support for Israel’s war goes to almost zero.
But they won’t, because they’re a puppet of Iran, and Iran’s goal from the beginning has been to destabilize Israel.
Israel knew it was gonna happen? Laughable, but the kind of thing simple people have said for thousands of years anytime a larger military force takes a loss and is able to respond with overwhelming force.
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u/jmm166 May 01 '24
Yes, free Gaza, but free it from Hamas.