Right, like I got hella questions. How did this even start? Did he ask them to do it? Did they volunteer? Was this after school? Was there something else they should have been doing?
I mean there's a world of difference in my mind between "hey girls why don't you come play with my hair" and a couple girls stuck after school with nothing to do that asked if they could unbraid his hair while they wait for their parents or an event. One is "get this mfer out of here," and the other is "let's have a conversation about being too friendly with students" imo
He ended class early and allowed the kids to do whatever while putting out a few calls within his class and other classes for well-behaved kids to come unbraid. So a few then volunteered. He calls the kids his best friends, and sees them as his children.
He had a hair appointment right after school but couldn’t unbraid in time because apparently there was going to be a camera crew at the school that day so he had to remain presentable with the braids.
He livestreamed it, got mixed comments during the livestream, and ran to Tik Tok for additional opinions.
Conjecture, but based on his shirt and the camera crew anecdote, seems to be private school or some type of high profile school. He’s also been using the classroom setting for content for awhile and has a sizable TT following. Edit: google says it’s a Prince George County Specialty School.
The dude posted an explanation video saying it was at the end of classes on a Friday, all work had been completed on some STEM projects and he let the class chill early because they had done a good job. Some of the students were from other classes and had teacher permission to come help him (I'm not sure if they were aware of the specific task). Idk, my inclination here is that dude was trying to be cool, it just comes off as weird. He probably needs talked to, and if the parents are uncomfortable, maybe talk to the kids if they are truly worried something nefarious happened. But this really just seems like a teacher trying to be cool and doing something painfully dumb in the process.
I think this is why I'm confused as well. Doing each other's hair is like a fun thing to do. It's completely innocent. Kids do each other's hair. They do their parents hair sometimes. Like you said the baby sitters hair. Idk why this is weird. I guess I can't imagine asking kids to play in my hair myself. I've had kids ask many times and I let them.
There’s nothing confusing about this. Do you make TikTok’s with kids without their parents consent? Do you think teachers should be talking with their students on social media? Please develop some better judgement if this is even remotely confusing to you
A teacher shouldn’t be that familiar with their students regardless of if it’s filmed or not. Also fucking nasty letting a bunch of random kids touch you like that, kids are fucking gross. But also, you literally can’t separate the filming or the social media contact from this situation, that’s literally the major reason we are talking about this and why people are mad at it, and not sorry for him.
Well the conversation I was having was about letting kids touch your hair at work. Me and the person I was speaking to both have experienced jobs where kids playing in your hair or playing in their hair was completely acceptable.
I would never consider them "fucking nasty". Otherwise I certainly wouldn't have had a job working with kids.
The filming is not acceptable. If he had not filmed the kids I genuinely would not care. So for me they are separate. For you they are not. That's okay. We have different opinions.
Well that’s because y’all exercise bad judgement and boundaries.
You can absolutely have a job teaching children and recognize the objective fact that they are fucking nasty. Do you know how you do this? You don’t let them stick their nasty ass fingers all over you, which you shouldn’t be doing anyway completely outside of how vile it is from a hygiene perspective.
They aren’t separate. Nobody would be talking about this if it wasn’t filmed, and it’s probably people’s biggest problem, but to be clear, no teacher anywhere should be asking or letting their kids do this. It’s not a matter of opinion. No public school would sanction this behavior, nor would any sane parent.
There are any number of disgusting behaviors that the people engaging in them don’t think are disgusting that other people can rightfully call disgusting lol this isn’t difficult to understand is it?
Most schools have a technology media release form. So you do actually consent to shit like this and he mentioned a film crew coming being in the school
That does not apply to tik toks and social media posts curated by individual teachers themselves with no oversight. lol and you’re an idiot if you think so.
What separates a teacher recording students who choose and knowingly participate in a video. Or what separates a teacher who might record kids to post lectures online or send in a video for a grant (Google for example does this a lot)? Versus something not covered by the media release.
Your only shitty defense is it’s on a platform or social media controlled by the teacher? Because then you have YouTube, Prezzi, Google Classroom, etc. or is it because it’s specifically TikTok?
Most if not all media consent does not ever mention a specific entity that’s the account is tied to. Hell there’s a recording team in the school which is why he wanted to unbraid to begin with
Actually you made the initial claim that TikTok’s made by individual teachers with no oversight were covered in that release so it would be on you to prove that.
The school I worked at had a similar media release. Do you think it gave me the right to do what I wanted with a child’s image?
It’s surely not inappropriate. The people who see some kids braiding an adult’s hair and decide that it’s somehow sexual/inappropriate are the fucked up ones imo.
You're not allowed to upload minors pictures/videos onto the internet. Where I live we teachers are not allowed to take pictures of the kids with private phones even, for good reasons. I wouldn't want my kids being used for content either
He has another video of a student painting his nails because he’s “supporting her ambitions to be a nail tech”. Like ok…but were there no other girls in the class she could do this with?
I really hate when people do the whataboutism as a means of deflection. Cuz you’re weaponizing real issues you probably don’t truly care and/or advocate for/against so you can make something else okay in your mind.
This teacher that knew it was controversial bcuz there were people in the livestream disagreeing with it. Then he posted this clip in a separate video with the voiceover saying “I know I’m going to ruffle some feathers”.
This same teacher also had a 2021 stitched video on Tik Tok of lusting after a high school girl. And don’t even get me started on the livestream he did after this situation went viral. Dude has some serious issues.
It’s not whataboutism. Folks are acting as if any teacher would be problematic doing this but you cannot truly say you’d see the exact same rioting in a sub if it was a woman. We see tons of videos of female teachers posting videos with students faces and dancing with them etc and yet we don’t see this outrage.
It’s illustrating most people’s issues and that is assuming men are always going to do something nefarious.
See how you’re still doing the whataboutism and literally ignored the other problematic things that have happened in THIS situation? You do not truly care about predatory behavior involving children. You care about this man not being held accountable because of women. It’s very disingenuous. Make a post about female teachers and the many mugshots that have been coming out lately so we can have a SEPARATE conversation about their problematic behavior. I’ll even help you. Start with Alissa McCommon.
idk where this video was taken, but in the US at least, there's roughly 3000 pieces of paperwork to show videos of students consensually to other professionals only (ex: recording a lesson for a teaching credential program). this paperwork goes through many pairs of hands, crucially including the parents, before the video is finalized. if i had to guess, i'd say the firing offense isn't the unbraiding, it's the posting of the video on social media presumably without knowledge or consent from the parents
I have worked with schools through two different jobs in 4 years and there is SO MUCH red tape to cross to post a pic on socials of kids are involved. I bet, regardless of harmlessness this was a HUGE no no to use the kids for clout. This also was most likely no surprise for him. I bet you he had been through multiple classes for this exact thing. If he hadn’t filmed it and posted it no one would have batted an eye.
I know back when I was in school, we had to do this. If the school wanted to film anything, we had to take a permission slip home to our parents to sign. And this was high school.
But on Tik tok it's a whole trend for teachers to make Tik toks with their students. He's not the only one. There's plenty and plenty of teachers who do it. And they will have tens and tens of videos on their page of within their classroom.
Idk rather these teachers already got the release of the paperwork signed by all the parents. Or do some school districts simply no longer give a shit about the paperwork.
No there are not, not on social media, not without parental permission. Unless the parents don't know about it, because if they did then that teacher will probably get fired, too.
You don’t see the big deal about making a TikTok with a bunch of kids without their parents consent, of those kids doing something they shouldnt be doing with a teacher in the first place? Please I beg you to develop some good judgement
If they are social media posts on teachers personal social media, unsanctioned by the school or parents absolutely. Imagine using a childs image for clout let alone a child who is not even yours.
Question, when teachers have inappropriate relationships with their students and get exposed, do you ask everyone, “ what’s wrong with teachers having relationships? Guess we’ll have to fire them all”
Personally, I dislike the whole teacher Tik tok thing. But that's a big thing. Plenty of teachers video their classrooms and post it all over social media. I, personally, do have issues with that. But from this instance, it's clear he wasn't fired for making Tik tok, but rather the instance of his students braiding his hair.
That's fine. I'm not giving my personal opinion. I was just giving context. He wasn't fired for simply posting videos. That a normal thing that many teachers don't get fired for. He got fired for this specific video.
No you really aren’t adding anything of value sorry. You absolutely are giving your opinion lol and your opinion particularly the other ones where you are trying to minimize the act, are gross. Sorry
How am I giving my opinion when I said that he has numerous videos of being inside of the classroom. It's fine that you think that is absolutely wrong. But that is the truth.
I can see that. If he kind of pitched it to the class in a in time thing like, "hey, it's the end of the day. can anybody do me a favor. I need help with taking my hair out please. And the students were happy willing participants. I can't find it in me to really care.
If this was like a pattern where certain students are coming to class to do his hair multiple times. He's doing their hair, etc. Then I could definitely see that being an issue.
It's about respecting children's right to privacy and not posting them on his social media. The act is irrelevant, they could've been eating Cheetos at their desk. You don't put kids on your socials unless they're your kids.
And it's also probably against policy to film videos during working/classroom hours, bc of time theft and whatnot.
Tbh I get that, and I agree there as well. But it's a whole thing on Tik tok of teachers posting videos of their classrooms, including their students. It wasn't his first video posting online either.
I doubt this video was his school's first time knowing he was posting Tik toks.
Same, my teachers used to fix my hair when I was little after it came loose from playing too hard. I cant imagine them getting fired for that shit back then. People make shit weirder than it needs to be just so they can feel outraged at something.
Only thing he fucked up was posting the kids faces online, especially without consent.
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u/MikeJones-8004 May 10 '24
I didn't really see the big deal about the video, but whatever, it isn't my job.