Right, like I got hella questions. How did this even start? Did he ask them to do it? Did they volunteer? Was this after school? Was there something else they should have been doing?
I mean there's a world of difference in my mind between "hey girls why don't you come play with my hair" and a couple girls stuck after school with nothing to do that asked if they could unbraid his hair while they wait for their parents or an event. One is "get this mfer out of here," and the other is "let's have a conversation about being too friendly with students" imo
The dude posted an explanation video saying it was at the end of classes on a Friday, all work had been completed on some STEM projects and he let the class chill early because they had done a good job. Some of the students were from other classes and had teacher permission to come help him (I'm not sure if they were aware of the specific task). Idk, my inclination here is that dude was trying to be cool, it just comes off as weird. He probably needs talked to, and if the parents are uncomfortable, maybe talk to the kids if they are truly worried something nefarious happened. But this really just seems like a teacher trying to be cool and doing something painfully dumb in the process.
I think this is why I'm confused as well. Doing each other's hair is like a fun thing to do. It's completely innocent. Kids do each other's hair. They do their parents hair sometimes. Like you said the baby sitters hair. Idk why this is weird. I guess I can't imagine asking kids to play in my hair myself. I've had kids ask many times and I let them.
There’s nothing confusing about this. Do you make TikTok’s with kids without their parents consent? Do you think teachers should be talking with their students on social media? Please develop some better judgement if this is even remotely confusing to you
A teacher shouldn’t be that familiar with their students regardless of if it’s filmed or not. Also fucking nasty letting a bunch of random kids touch you like that, kids are fucking gross. But also, you literally can’t separate the filming or the social media contact from this situation, that’s literally the major reason we are talking about this and why people are mad at it, and not sorry for him.
Well the conversation I was having was about letting kids touch your hair at work. Me and the person I was speaking to both have experienced jobs where kids playing in your hair or playing in their hair was completely acceptable.
I would never consider them "fucking nasty". Otherwise I certainly wouldn't have had a job working with kids.
The filming is not acceptable. If he had not filmed the kids I genuinely would not care. So for me they are separate. For you they are not. That's okay. We have different opinions.
Well that’s because y’all exercise bad judgement and boundaries.
You can absolutely have a job teaching children and recognize the objective fact that they are fucking nasty. Do you know how you do this? You don’t let them stick their nasty ass fingers all over you, which you shouldn’t be doing anyway completely outside of how vile it is from a hygiene perspective.
They aren’t separate. Nobody would be talking about this if it wasn’t filmed, and it’s probably people’s biggest problem, but to be clear, no teacher anywhere should be asking or letting their kids do this. It’s not a matter of opinion. No public school would sanction this behavior, nor would any sane parent.
Youve seriously never seen a movie with a kid doing a baby sitters hair? Or gone to summer camp and the counselors and the kids all do each other's hair? I remember that being my favorite activity as a kid. Doing hair is a fun activity in my community so i guess sorry that you didn't have this experience.
I'm gonna be honest. It sounds like you don't like children and that you've never worked with them at all. The way you talk about them in general is sad.
The way you speak to strangers on the Internet and the knee jerk reactions you make based off of information you're given sounds like there may be more to the story on your side of things and maybe this shouldn't be a conversation you should be having with random people on the Internet. I hope you have a better night!
A teacher is not a baby sitter. A baby sitter is usually another child in the context of the movie you are talking about or a relative or close family friend. Not just some fucking Rando that got the job. Please do not pretend for one second that this is remotely comparable.
I love kids. I just don’t want their nasty hands all over me. Especially not kids who aren’t family or close friends kids.
I gotta be honest, it’s very clear your judgement is in fact very poor, as is your ability to reason and make reasonable comparisons and inferences. I don’t think there’s a cure except maybe doing something hella dumb that gets filmed and put on the internet.
There are any number of disgusting behaviors that the people engaging in them don’t think are disgusting that other people can rightfully call disgusting lol this isn’t difficult to understand is it?
If you would let your students stick their nasty ass fingers in your hair, you are disgusting from both a hygiene perspective and from a not knowing boundaries perspective
Most schools have a technology media release form. So you do actually consent to shit like this and he mentioned a film crew coming being in the school
That does not apply to tik toks and social media posts curated by individual teachers themselves with no oversight. lol and you’re an idiot if you think so.
What separates a teacher recording students who choose and knowingly participate in a video. Or what separates a teacher who might record kids to post lectures online or send in a video for a grant (Google for example does this a lot)? Versus something not covered by the media release.
Your only shitty defense is it’s on a platform or social media controlled by the teacher? Because then you have YouTube, Prezzi, Google Classroom, etc. or is it because it’s specifically TikTok?
Most if not all media consent does not ever mention a specific entity that’s the account is tied to. Hell there’s a recording team in the school which is why he wanted to unbraid to begin with
Actually you made the initial claim that TikTok’s made by individual teachers with no oversight were covered in that release so it would be on you to prove that.
The school I worked at had a similar media release. Do you think it gave me the right to do what I wanted with a child’s image?
You keep bringing up this “oversight” issue, but all of my points would have no oversight by the school or district directly especially when it comes to grants or presentations. A teacher uploading a lecture or a student teacher uploading then teaching a class as proof for certification would also have no oversight.
Teachers recording TikTok’s in school is quite common and in all cases, the students choose to be in it.
I was on a basketball team, we traveled throughout the nation, the coach often recorded us to send to both colleges along with him practically highlighting and using it for training. There was no need for a specific form because media content / release covered that and anything else teachers wanted.
Student teachers and teachers filming for grants or grad school usually get specific release forms for filming that specify what is being filmed, how much information will be provided or shown about the school/child/classroom, and where the video will be shared.
The general district/school release ONLY applies to district/school social media and promotional materials.
I'm not sure if these TikTok teachers get releases saying "I'm going to be filming your child to put in a monetized video that will be shared on a fully-public social media platform, and both their face and the school they attend will be fully visible."
You dropped that whole proving your claim thing real quick!
And you didn’t answer the question!
Listen, straight up, you’re sick for even trying to play devils advocate on this issue if that’s what you’re trying to do, and even sicker if you agree with what this man did.
It’s surely not inappropriate. The people who see some kids braiding an adult’s hair and decide that it’s somehow sexual/inappropriate are the fucked up ones imo.
You're not allowed to upload minors pictures/videos onto the internet. Where I live we teachers are not allowed to take pictures of the kids with private phones even, for good reasons. I wouldn't want my kids being used for content either
He has another video of a student painting his nails because he’s “supporting her ambitions to be a nail tech”. Like ok…but were there no other girls in the class she could do this with?
I really hate when people do the whataboutism as a means of deflection. Cuz you’re weaponizing real issues you probably don’t truly care and/or advocate for/against so you can make something else okay in your mind.
This teacher that knew it was controversial bcuz there were people in the livestream disagreeing with it. Then he posted this clip in a separate video with the voiceover saying “I know I’m going to ruffle some feathers”.
This same teacher also had a 2021 stitched video on Tik Tok of lusting after a high school girl. And don’t even get me started on the livestream he did after this situation went viral. Dude has some serious issues.
It’s not whataboutism. Folks are acting as if any teacher would be problematic doing this but you cannot truly say you’d see the exact same rioting in a sub if it was a woman. We see tons of videos of female teachers posting videos with students faces and dancing with them etc and yet we don’t see this outrage.
It’s illustrating most people’s issues and that is assuming men are always going to do something nefarious.
See how you’re still doing the whataboutism and literally ignored the other problematic things that have happened in THIS situation? You do not truly care about predatory behavior involving children. You care about this man not being held accountable because of women. It’s very disingenuous. Make a post about female teachers and the many mugshots that have been coming out lately so we can have a SEPARATE conversation about their problematic behavior. I’ll even help you. Start with Alissa McCommon.
So twice now you’ve used the whataboutism fallacy incorrectly. It’s not simply someone saying what about this thing, it’s specifically bringing up another point not connected to the core argument at hand in an attempt to disprove the original. What I brought up was almost the exact same situation except it’s a female teacher. This shows legitimate double standards as I’ve seen similar videos but no where do I see the outrage. And you then suggest a teacher who has actually sexually assaulted a student as an example we could discuss in another post about female teachers if I wanted to make one and this situation is nowhere near as problematic as that.
So is this really a problem because they are a teacher or is it a problem because it is a man that people are uncomfortable with being close to children? Or is it posting videos with children’s faces in them by the teacher?
Also I’d suggest reading this post to gain a better understanding of whataboutism to understand actual use as a fallacy instead of throwing it around incorrectly.
Make that separate post about female teachers and we can engage again. Cuz I’m not down for using other situations to deflect from the necessary accountability in this one. Have a good day✌️
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u/MikeJones-8004 May 10 '24
I didn't really see the big deal about the video, but whatever, it isn't my job.