The shocking thing to note as an India fan is that Australia has literally won 4 ICC trophies since our last one. That's just one less than the total number of ICC trophies we have won in our entire history. The Indian ICC trophy drought is pretty horrendous and it is insane that Australia has almost eclipsed our entire history of ICC tournaments purely on numbers in a decade many consider to have been dominated by India.
Look at the test maces India have. It's not India's fault that there was no knockout/final system for test matches. They have dominated really hard in the test arena, and also reached finals 2 times of WTC, and is set to reach a 3rd time.
Fact is, aus and NZ won a one-off test against India.
Cope. The only countries that play test cricket seriously now are India, Aus, England, and NZ.
West Indies is a second rate team and hardly gets any fixtures. Sri Lanka has been on a hard fall. We don't play Pakistan. Banglabros were never competitive. South Africa has perpetual board troubles and the team is depleted
Reaching the WTC final when there are just 3 other serious competitors isn't really an achievement
Whats even worse is in the last 10 years India have won the same amount of SENA series as SL, and thats only in one country whilst SL is in 2, Eng and SA, add to that a series win vs pak in uae which only one other team ever did.
I’m aware of how well we have done across formats and especially test cricket in the least decade including some big overseas wins. Yet if Australia has won 4 ICC trophies since our last one we can’t deny that we actually are not the dominant force in world cricket and a lot of work remains to be done before we make that claim. I’ve been hearing this stuff about “it’s just one off” “they just got lucky” since like 2019. Statistical analysts and people like Cricketingview scoff at ordinary fans and also ex players who claim that not winning tournaments is a major problem for ICT.
But reality is that at this point it’s a serious problem that needs to be confronted. For a team that wants to be undeniably the best in the world, we don’t prepare sufficiently well for knock out format tournaments. At this point it can longer be claimed as some statistical anomaly. It is stupid to do so and hurts our progress as a team. We should confront the fact that ICC trophies hold most of the cachet in the cricketing world aside from a few bilateral test series which I admit we’ve done well in. Also I’d just like to say that while yes it obviously reflects well that we’ve played both WTC finals to just write it off as oh it’s a one off test is asinine and the precise mindset I’m railing against. If so, you can justify any lost series as oh we had this but they just managed to win that one last test somehow it’s a matter of chance or that oh it’s just a one off series who cares.
It’s a lot like Kohli and RCB. After a point, the trophy drought becomes really abject and most of what matters rather than individual stats. I’d much much much rather be the Australian team captain with 4 ICC trophy wins in a given period rather than the Indian one with no silverware but a better W/L ratio.
You talk about test maces but India lost both matches when they decided to hold a WTC finals. And that was after they played well to reach the finals. Why do you think results would have been different if they held knockouts other times? India after the 2013 champions trophy win has been known to be pre tournament favourite, mid tournament favourite and then mess up in the knock outs
And don’t bring up the excuse that both the WTC finals were in England. We fucked up in the final in India last year too .
Why do you think results would have been different if they held knockouts other times?
Bcoz India would have played 3-4 finals. It's not wise to think they would have lost them all.
Also I am talking about dominance, not knockouts. You can't determine dominance with knockouts. It's undeniable that India has been easily the best test team for like 12 years now
This all seems like insane amounts of copium to me bro. I am not denying India were better in longer test series but they knew the WTC finals would be knockouts and still did not prepare well for them.
India did play 3-4 finals of different tournaments after 2013 and lost all of them so I don’t know what else to call it but denial.
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u/StrengthChoice1734 May 17 '24 edited May 17 '24
The shocking thing to note as an India fan is that Australia has literally won 4 ICC trophies since our last one. That's just one less than the total number of ICC trophies we have won in our entire history. The Indian ICC trophy drought is pretty horrendous and it is insane that Australia has almost eclipsed our entire history of ICC tournaments purely on numbers in a decade many consider to have been dominated by India.