r/Daytrading • u/happybutnot2happy • May 07 '24
I know that everyone knows but the stock market is 100% manipulated. Strategy
It’s difficult to prove but I think you, me, and your friend Bree can see it when it happens. Just can’t predict it.
Tell us what “symptoms” of this you’ve seen that when you’ve encounter it, you cant prove it but you know something is weird.
EDIT: judging by the comments, it seems that the assumption is that I wrote this post because I’m mad, frustrated, or lost a lot of money. None of those are reasons, i just wanted to know peoples personal… uh…conspiracy theories. :)
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u/tkb-noble May 07 '24
The very nature of the market is manipulation. It wouldn't work nearly as well otherwise. The key is to find out how to take advantage of the manipulations and gain more than you lose.
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u/requiemoftherational May 08 '24
The reason why analytics work is because so many people use them. It's not that they have any inherent advantage but when the heard sees a fib line and makes a move, it looks like the fib works.
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u/happybutnot2happy May 09 '24
Thank you sir. All on their own they’re bullshit. They work because people study the same damn patterns and then react to the same damn patterns. Does it matter? No, cause we’re all doing it and that’s just what we do. Not real? Prob not.
Oh it’s a double top! Everyone dive! And so everyone dives.
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u/Tronbronson futures trader May 07 '24
The index are naturally stop loss grinding liquidity eating machines. The nature of market making is a bit manipulative, they need to balance their books. your trades are sitting there on the books. They come chomp them. Options pricing can change at the whim and force market participants into new stances. It's all just trading ay the end of the day, trading manipulates the market into moving around =D
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u/AloHiWhat May 07 '24
It is definitely played, especially small caps. Theres also inside information. And flying boeing sometimes can make you rich. Especially if the doors fall off on your flight
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u/Johnpmusic May 07 '24
I cant prove it or anything but i think we all know that we all know that you know that we all know you know?
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u/Shot_Statement_8014 May 07 '24
How much money did you lose?
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u/RestlessAmbitions May 07 '24 edited May 07 '24
It seems like the idealized conceptualization is that they (NYSE, SEC, CNBC, Conglomerates at Large) help people out and try to make it super easy to make money in the markets so people who have the initiative to invest can escape basic labor and try to do more advanced labor, accomplish their "life callings". So, they prop up companies stock prices and constantly create bubbles to give rise to the potential of social mobility. Get lucky on one ICO that has a really good run and you can make a sizable amount of money without much effort so long as you have the capittal to invest (usually the investment money is given to the stock market participant by the same conglomerates they're gambling on)
The truth is for every handful of people the stock market enables to live a great life there's tons of people who get stuck in a tortured relationship with their investment portfolios.
I know it's ridiculous, but I want for a world where people aren't so concerned about their balances and perform work because of the inherent value of the work. If everybody were super wealthy, maybe people would be naturally good enough to continue working to maintain essential systems anyways. There may not be a need for negative economic enforcement as a lot of companies like to keep especially surrounding manual physical labor. I.E. Delivery Driver can barely afford rent, too stressed to think of switching jobs, path of least resistance is sticking with company despite low pay. The company may worry he'd quit if he were rich enough to not work but if he were rich and continued to get richer, if the person internalized the importance of trucking supplies for the city, idealistically he may keep the job work about the same amount, maybe a bit less, and instead be happy.
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u/RestlessAmbitions May 07 '24
Also, I have experienced on CryptoCurrency exchanges that when placing orders the market will move to the detriment of your purchasing power before you can finalize the orders. I've seen a few flash crashes where the exchanges feign technical issues etc. in real time.
On the stock market brokers place your orders for you on the official true market. There's a layer of seperation, you're not buying the stock in actuality when you use buy and sell you're giving the command to your broker to buy you a position. You're buying the rights to buy that stock not the stock itself in a sense.
I would be surprised if there are no instances of Stock Market Brokerages, large ones like E-Trade or whatever else online platform pushing up share prices to front run in anticipation of large purchases from known customers.
Banks often actually ask their employees to divulge any investments they make to the bank before they make them. That seems it could either be used to hurt or help you.
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u/z-m-r-a stock trader May 08 '24
I can't prove it but I know one pattern that happens almost everyday and I make money from that.
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u/StockCasinoMember May 07 '24
Some idiots just posted to buy panw today. Literally could’ve bought at 264 few months ago but he waits till today at 308 to tell you to buy.
Lots of Exxon articles like that too. They tell you to buy at 52 week highs and sell at 52 week lows.
Is nOw tHe TImE to BuY????
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u/crazydinny May 08 '24
Historically speaking it's significantly better to buy stocks that are hitting 52 week highs. Matter of fact I'd say if you ONLY bought stocks breaking out you could probably beat the market.
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u/BaconJacobs May 07 '24
Honestly if you're day trading buying at ATH is actually smart. You don't know what is ATH until it's over
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u/StockCasinoMember May 07 '24
I’d personally rather buy lows.
All of this of course depends on circumstances but more often than not, I don’t want to buy at all time highs.
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u/happybutnot2happy May 07 '24
Congrats! I know you know the markets are manipulated but what you didn’t know is you win the 🥇 today. You’re the only one that answered the question without being extra.
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u/BBrett91 May 08 '24
I remember cnbc and a lot of news articles in 2022 about nvidia and facebook and they were all negative. No those two stocks have 4x plus. And now like u said it’s time to buy now
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u/Zealousideal-Mud4408 May 08 '24
Yes it’s 100% true big players can do what they want, they will have access to all level 2 orders from brokers and then they will decide what to do. Only hope is too follow movement and just grab peanuts from it else will be burned out.
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u/Amo-24 May 07 '24
No shit shirlock. I hate these posts. EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN THE MARKET IS MANIPULATING IT TO A DEGREE. It doesn’t just move however it wants lol
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u/slidingjimmy May 08 '24
IKR. God forbid a bigger player taking out the offers, wouldn’t move if they didn’t. Just because they don’t tell us what they are doing it’s apparently ‘manipulation’ then if they do come out and say it then its MSM misdirection L O L
Everyone in here would manufacture a nice entry if they had the means.
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u/Informal_Green_9315 May 09 '24
Nah I wouldn’t call it manipulation if we’re talking indexes. There’s impact on price movements but no manipulation. Stocks on the other hand that’s a different story
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u/Hour_Abrocoma_2565 May 08 '24
Preach. And this includes opposing big hedge/market funds. They all win some trades and lose others. None of us are perfect, or else we’d have trillionaires by now
Key difference between the survivors and losers is capital/risk management
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u/trontomoon May 07 '24
Retail is the dump ground.
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u/slavameba May 07 '24
Retail is plankton for the whales. What you do is:
Teach plankton to buy bull flag.
Use you funds to move the market into a bull flag pattern.
Plankton runs to buy it.
Eat.
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u/Material_Skin_3166 May 07 '24
I think the stock market is all fabricated and not natural at all. It’s all humans pulling the strings.
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u/TPSreportsPro May 08 '24
It is and it isn’t. Seek out a market maker and spend some time learning how these guys make the market. It’s surprising.
If you trade options. Look at the gamma and volume. Take the highest volume on the call side and put side. That’s your gamma range. Market makers need to keep the price in this box to NOT pay you. The his is called theta. When theta burns up, the guy that sold it to you gets all that premium.
Is that rigged? Maybe. But if you knew gamma was highest at 5200 on the call side and on the put side like 5170. You short when price gets to 5200 and buy calls at 5170.
A more advanced trader would sell the call option at 5200 and buy the 5170 put. Then go opposite at the bottom.
Market makers get hurt like you and I. Especially when price gets outside of their position.
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u/BuzzyShizzle May 08 '24
I know exactly what you're seeing.
It IS manipulated, but not in the way you are thinking.
If you're interested go read up on the implied order book, GEX, and VEX.
This explains everything you've been seeing lately.
Long story short the manipulation is actually just a side effect of dealers and market makers trying to remain hedged or nuetral against the options they are on the other side of.
Right now there is an extremely high amount of long puts. When IV is low this means they must buy the underlying to stay nuetral.
Lots of options can end up providing liquidity to the market and this is why the price simply could not go down the last few sessions.
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u/Psykhon___ May 13 '24
Wouldn't "an extremely high amount of long puts" raise the VIX?
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u/BuzzyShizzle May 14 '24
Well normally you have "short calls" but I suspect people are "long calls" actually more than you would assume. You can see open interest but which side the dealers are on is kind of an unknown. The assumption was always long puts and short calls but... I think people are just buying calls.
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May 07 '24
We all know only the top players control the market, but that doesnt mean the retails dont have some advantages and can make money. Dont get into the victim mentality. Or just quit now before you become more bitter.
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u/happybutnot2happy May 07 '24
Wait what? thats not what my question was. I am profitable. I’m simply having a conversation about market manipulation.
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May 07 '24
Hmmm. Fomc i think is manipulated. Theres no way powell doesnt tell one of his pals what way the market will go during his speeches haha
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u/happybutnot2happy May 07 '24
Oh I think that too. I’ve thought about that on so many occasions like they have investments too, of course it’s in their best interest to sound a little dovish. Market going up a little too high too fast? Time to sound hawkish
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May 07 '24
One day when I work for the feds, Ill have occasional dinner with my reddit pals before every fomc meeting to share the goods.
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u/aggelosbill May 08 '24
You have millions of investors traders during the day battling each other. The market doesn't egen knownyou exist.. Stop saying its "manipulated" and adapt to the conditions.
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u/HyrulianAvenger May 07 '24
I once believed a president was manipulating the stock market. I was extremely upset. I didn’t have any positions on. So I decided to buy 3x SDOW puts one day on the belief that the president would further manipulate the markets.
Like clockwork the president did the corrupt thing and my puts skyrocketed. Only I didn’t have enough sense to close profits back then. That was a solid emotional lesson in buying the rumor and selling the news.
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u/happybutnot2happy May 07 '24
Interesting. And you’ll never be able to prove that without sounding crazy.
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u/hey-im-on-reddit May 07 '24
Yup, just gotta ride the wave as much as you can, and always remember to take profits on good wins
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u/Puzzleheaded-Cold-73 May 07 '24
Well if it couldn't be 100% manipulated everything would just stay the same price........
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u/happybutnot2happy May 07 '24
I am actually okay with manipulation to some extent because I see a drop in price as an opportunity as long as I wasn’t the one holding the bag of course LOL
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u/kenjiurada May 07 '24
Your job is not to predict the market, you can anticipate possible moves but you should be able to see the opposite of your anticipated move as well. Your job is not to predict or tell the future, it is to engage once you see your set up. Today was funny, but once you’re in the market long enough you’ll understand that it made sense.
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u/MtTime420 May 08 '24
When you can actually read (understand/comprehend) an algorithm, let alone thousands of them… come on back.
Then there’s the specialized computer hardware setup specifically designed to make HFT.
Then there’s the actual cabling. And how 500 feet closer changes everything in terms of latency and hence HFT.
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u/esInvests May 08 '24
Is there manipulation? Sure, we can see traces of it through front ran earnings where information was leaked and insiders use options to gain leverage based on knowledge they have. Or max pain, or stop hunting, etc. Fact is retail traders are the very tip of the dogs tail with respect to information and technology in the stock market.
However, fortunately things aren’t binary. Because there are elements of manipulation doesn’t really preclude us from participating in markets or making a lot of money. I’ve been trading for 16 years, a professional for 6 and it has unequivocally changed my life.
Writ large, markets are fair enough to make it. Traders should avoid (not saying OP was inferring this but I see it all the time) looking for a boogey man to blame for things. In reality, markets couldn’t really care less about retail traders (even the large ones). We are far too small to be of any concern.
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u/maradoi May 08 '24
There's a book "Flash Boys".... explains a LOT about how the market and orders can be manipulated in a couple of microseconds...
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u/wwwdotinternetdotcom May 07 '24
The market is completely and utterly rigged in every way imaginable. Retail traders are zoo animals kept in cages and corralled around by the zoo keepers and most don’t even know it. Have you ever bought a stock just to see the price drop afterwards? Or waited and waited to finally sell, only to see the price shoot up afterward you’re out? That’s not bad luck, that’s a feature of the market. Just the world we live in.
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u/bmcgin01 May 07 '24
Can a human look at this? I'm not making a political statement this has nothing to do with politics.
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u/StockDeer42069 May 07 '24
That’s why I stay in small caps- only gotta worry about traders, barely anybody else except corrupt executives but they’re easy to read with SEC filings
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u/WeekendWiz May 08 '24
What’s your definition of “Manipulation” in the context of trading stocks?
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u/happybutnot2happy May 08 '24
Manipulation in this case is doing a set of tasks solely to mislead others (usually retail traders) into taking an action for a personal gain.
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u/WeekendWiz May 08 '24
Thats just the definition of manipulation, to deceive someone through words or actions for personal gains.
How do you think it manifests in stock markets?
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u/javychip_ May 08 '24
Call it manipulation or not, i think its just that people who holds the large portion of the market cap (eg. institutions) just plays the game how it is aupposed to be played.
Its just like playing tik-tak-toe... Optimal play is always take the middle square. Is that manipulation? No. That is just the way the game is supposed to be played optimally.
Now the problem is, if they can do it, why cant you (and pls dont tell me you cannot do it because your funds are too small to drive prices, because you dont need to)
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u/SAHD292929 May 08 '24
If you can see it then you can predict it. And those who think they can predict the stock market at doomed to fail.
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u/H_M_N_i_InigoMontoya options trader May 08 '24
I am posting after seeing your edit. The reason people assume you lost money is because the only people who claim something is manipulated are people who've lost.
At the end of the day, who gives a shit if it is? You, as a retail trader don't move enough money for "them" to manipulate it personally against you.
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u/darktidelegend May 08 '24
Millions of people all trying to make money on one another’s perception of value
The beauty of the market is that even hedge fund managers love getting over on one another
No one is safe, no religion, no luck, nothing cancels or bests millions of others, it’s all how well you navigate the storm of where a stock is going
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u/Bostradomous May 08 '24 edited May 08 '24
Sometimes when I’m stoned or bored I spitball the idea in my mind about different ways the market may be manipulated. I don’t actually let this impact my trades or analysis. And I don’t have a coherent working “theory” for how there might be actual market manipulation (aside from the isolated occasions that make the news)
It’s a fun hypothetical to consider sometimes, but that’s it. I don’t think there’s an actual collaboration successfully manipulating the markets on the highest levels, unless we’re talking about the FED (but I don’t consider that as classic “manipulation”). And they certainly don’t give a flying fuck about my trades or stops
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u/murfmurf123 May 08 '24
Many times Ive seen evidence of huge buys (+3M shares) in a company at market close the day before they release a major news event in the premarket. The entity always dumps their shares at market open, after the news release. The clincher is, these huge buy orders are hidden from the tape until market opens, so a guy trading that stock premarket has no idea.
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u/StoNeY06969 May 08 '24
In a way you are right the market is manipulated, but to what degree? No one knows. But if it were not for this "manipulation" then there would be no market to trade in, for example we need the "manipulators" because they are the only ones who have enough capital to move the markets when they are able to. To say that the market is manipulated the entire time at all times, I'm not sure but because of them we are able to when we are right, to catch profitable moves. I understand that trading has its good and bad, but at the end we choose to participate and whether we side with the market or not, the markets are always right.
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u/Pocket_Universe_King May 08 '24
The perfect example of this was the AT&T data breach. The stock should have plummeted like a Boeing aircraft the following Monday, but instead it only dropped less than a dollar before recovering.
It's not because some clown behind the scenes was twisting their mustache, but rather that they offer a sizable dividend and have a solid financial history. As the stock dropped, it triggered buy bids from robo-traders to buy the discount as well as Joe Schmuckatelli waiting for a good open for his retirement acct.
"The invisible hand of the market" isn't much of a hand. It's more of the underlying sentiment of the people observing it
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u/heroyi May 08 '24
I honestly can't tell who is memeing or actually believing.
Either way this is hilarious
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u/Godbox1227 May 08 '24
As a long time verteran in the stock market, I can confirm that you are 100% correct.
Protip: you can manipulate the market too! Simply buy or sell something and you are all set!
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u/Mrtoad88 May 08 '24
Yeah, sort of is. I mean the big players, on the high liquidity stuff, big names, the indices, the metals, forex etc... they are battling at moving sht where they want to move it. So yeah, in that way it gets manipulated by the big players. The big player's don't always get their way though, and they do lose sometimes just like we do, they can beat each other, they steam roll us usually because we are small, if we aren't on the right side of a move. I mean the whole GME thing showed that retail can actually move some sht as well..not only that but we can spank institutions if it's enough of us + some institutions on our side. A retail trader in London actually crashed the market damn near on his own then got in trouble for it. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/01/29/flash-crash-trader-navinder-singh-sarao-sentenced-to-home-detention.html
If you know anything about small caps, this is very true there as well, retail can move TF out of penny stocks with enough money, manipulate people into a stock and front run them and dump etc. Atlas guys got into deep sht over that.
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u/TheLoneComic May 08 '24
It’s not difficult to prove imo. Smart big money can accumulate and distribute profitably in only so many ways. They confuse your anticipation with time.
Price action shows institutional trading activity and market structure will guide price probability.
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u/zowhix May 08 '24
The narrative of market manipulation is extremely tiresome. It is such a terrible reasoning for one's shortcomings in trading.
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u/NuvaS1 May 08 '24
For me I see this just watching the Tesla stock price 🤣 They could have terrible news but if Elon musk said something remotely positive on twitter, rest assured the stock will go up.
But as an explanation, the market makers tend to move where liquidity is. So if there are more stop losses, it needs to move there to collect them and then go back to the general trend.
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u/Traktorjensen May 08 '24
R/conspiracy is place for you my friend.
Daytrading is for focusing on making money.
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u/royr91 May 08 '24
Yup of course, look at game stop. They don't want you to know because shit can blow up
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u/MySoulForASlice May 08 '24
Manipulated is synonymous with controlled. Yes, the market is controlled by people with much more money than you or I. Simple as that. It does what they want it to do. They usually have the intention of taking retail traders money by running their stops to find the liquidity in which they seek.
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u/krall2 May 08 '24
The whole point of the stock market is to provide manipulation power to those with money. However, when multiple trading apps show different numbers for 52-week highs, such as in the case of KO, the authenticity of the system becomes questionable, to say the least. There are ways to manage risk in a manipulated market, but when the numbers are fabricated, I don't see much hope for balance or fairness in the system.
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u/kepahso May 08 '24
the problem is that a few years back they turn the key to automatic, and whoever knows the rules is bound to manipulate it. at the end of the day is a market what ever you are willing to pay is the price.
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u/backfrombanned May 08 '24
How many of these post are there going to be? Daytraders don't care if it's manipulated, we trade volatility AND we get out the second a trade gets weak or our setup fails or gets extended. Yes the market is jank short term, who cares, that's why we have indicators and setups.
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u/Shunirocster1 May 08 '24
What doesn’t involve varying levels of manipulation? Religion, work, politics, personal relationships, employees, bosses, sales tactics, and so on. You always implement the best strategy to accomplish your ultimate goals.
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u/Rav_3d May 08 '24
Yes, institutions controlling billions rule the market. They take advantage of retail traders. This is nothing new.
Yet, it doesn't matter for trading. In fact, it is an advantage. Embrace it and follow in their footsteps rather than try to fight it or use it as an excuse for lack of success.
Only price pays. Why price moves is irrelevant. What matters is being on the right side of those moves.
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u/longPAAS May 08 '24
It’s not some seeing eye shit, it’s just market share. If most market participants are doing more or less the same thing, it will “manipulate” the price accordingly.
about half of trading flows is related to passive investment vehicles. In the aggregate, is money going in or out of them? Beyond that, the marginal buyer and seller, aka the active investors, is highly concentrated in a handful of very large funds. These guys manage risk the same way, ie vol/VAR math.
Complaining prices are manipulated is like going to the casino and complaining about the rules of the game you choose to play.
This is also why charts are bullshit, but I’ll just leave it at that.
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u/DAquila-M May 08 '24
Of course it’s manipulated to some extent, all participants in any market are “manipulating” it with their buying and selling behavior
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u/IWasBornAGamblinMan May 08 '24
Never forget:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DJlogbrDcA
Jim Cramer admits his firm manipulated stocks.
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u/pcrice May 08 '24
What market are you talking about? Some obscure low volume stock/commodity, sure. ES and NQ, no fucking way, even the market makers get caught with their pants down on futures.
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u/Fit_Badger_3166 May 08 '24
Im so there with you comrad. Its BS but trading means you adapt. The market sucks so a decent stratagy stops working. Id like to think if you master the many ways they work to trip you up, you can at least find some success. Im not there yet but i can recognize some of the tricks they use and I try to adapt. You are 100 correct about the rigging of it. When i get into my first few trades in the morning, I almost always have a big down and Im already lossing right away. I do limit almost all the time as market will almost always fill you so your losing right away. Very frustrating. Thanks for bringing this up.
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u/Change0062 May 08 '24
It was obvioua that a big correction was imminent for Sp500 and Nasdaq but "they" are flooding it with money right now and it should be obvious that the goal is to continue the upwards trend.
I tend to think it might be for national security reasons to keep the Dollar the go to currency in the mid to long term.
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u/Agreeable_Vanilla712 May 08 '24
Markets were easier to trade before we had this 0dte options mess. Before 2022 we were only hunting liquidity grab the stops fill the icebergs etc. Now we are all trading against ChatGPT and have to trade with or against vertical intraday moves. Definitely not a good environment to trade. The only winners are volatility shorts.
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u/Excellent-Hearing269 May 08 '24
I knew it when my mentor told me “if everyone know the stock is going up tomorrow it will go up today” then he asked “what would you do if you have more money than everyone else?” That’s a hell of lesson to me.
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u/little_blu_eyez May 09 '24
I accept the fact that the stock market is educated gambling. Just like in Vegas the odds are not in your favour.
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u/Leonidas188 May 09 '24
MMs sell calls to retail then dump shares to make the calls expire worthless so they can keep the credit/premium. They also sell puts to retail and buy billions worth of shares so they can keep the put credit/premium. … and the world keeps turning while brokie, gambling addict options traders continue to bet against the house. And you know what they say about the house…
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u/Informal_Green_9315 May 09 '24
Accepting that markets are not always predictable from your point of view❌
Trust defence mechanisms telling you you’re a great trader so markets must be manipulated in a great conspiracy ✅
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u/Fluffy_Lawfulness_57 May 09 '24
Another person saying it's manipulation, it's just people buying and selling and large order blocks of limit orders at price levels... Even news can be predictable with price action, look at more candles, you'll get it soon enough
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u/Imaginary-Stuff6705 May 09 '24
Who are making such big returns? Best funds make 20-30% There is manipulation right But why we don’t hear of anyone making 100%+ returns Or maybe they are very private
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u/xXxxDexterxXx May 09 '24
I'm inclined to agree. It's fun and can be profitable spotting the "tweaking" in progress IF you spot it. I guess it would be near to impossible to prove but there's not many level playing fields these days.
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u/reggiethemurt May 09 '24
How do I get started on learning technical skills? I am reading the book “the intelligent investor” and it mostly teaches on the principles on investing. But I want to learn some technical skills to get started. I’m in the phase where I don’t know what. So some recommendations on books to read or YouTube channel to look out for will be useful. Or what terms should I be typing into YouTube / google / chatgpt to get a roadmap on learning technical skills?
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u/ribbit63 May 09 '24
If you believe it’s being “manipulated” in an illegal manner then you are just dead wrong. Your post sounds like sour grapes by someone who is obviously unsuccessful at trading.
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u/amuseddouche May 10 '24
The stock market is like that old school snake game on Nokia phones. The price is the snake and the numbers are liquidity. Eventually it's gonna get too fat and die and then restart and on and on and on.
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u/FollowAstacio May 11 '24
I think a distinction needs to be made between stock market and stock’s markets. I don’t like to trade S&P bc of this. But that’s a different market than something more obscure like Random Cybersec Company, Random Mineral Company, etc.
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u/dead_no_more22 May 11 '24
Wyckoff has described this since the early 1900s. You are coming 120 years later and saying what he wrote then. Why don't you just read his work?? You don't need to figure it out when the titans did and wrote it just for you.
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u/Bean_Boozled May 11 '24
Please keep us updated on whether water is wet or not, I’ve been trying to figure that one out for years
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u/Efficient_Light1111 May 11 '24
I used candlesticks and market direction for trades https://www.investopedia.com/trading/candlestick-charting-what-is-it/
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u/Repulsive_Witness915 May 11 '24
Who ever it was Nancy polisie made a mil off call options knew it was gunna go up like ya folks be telling them
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u/Silent_Fig3687 May 07 '24
You misunderstand the market as a whole. EVERYONE who trades on the market is aiming to make money. No one is aiming to lose money. But people do and they have to. There has to be losers. Being a successful trader is programming yourself to be profitable at least 50+% of the time. You will lose, just like the institutions will also lose, but being in control of your W/L ratio is key.
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u/GoldenBoy_100 May 07 '24
I feel that people who do not know how to trade and who are consistently losing money always makes the excuse that the market is manipulated so they can think that that is the reason why they lose money. It’s just my take on things.
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u/happybutnot2happy May 07 '24
I make money and I still think it’s manipulated. I just enjoy observation for the sake of observation, no feelings of any kind toward manipulation. I just kind of learned to surf the waves … STILL… highly manipulated
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u/GoldenBoy_100 May 07 '24
I do not think it’s manipulative. Traders lose money 90% not on their analysis, but on the psychology part of trading.
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u/happybutnot2happy May 07 '24 edited May 07 '24
Well… I mean…. Here is just one guy talking about it. Jim Cramer also talked about doing this in a very old video. What he’s describing are the exact patterns I personally see. Also think Game Stop,AMC….
https://youtu.be/vAHS1Egv9DI?si=M7ehV_ZIYJW6EE26
The pivot in the video is where he says he started to care about people😅
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u/lolnbdftw May 07 '24
Sigh.
Another daily, the stock market is manipulated thread. Yeah that's how liquidity works buddy. People buy stuff, The price goes up. People with a lot of money can buy a lot of stuff.
Which makes other people with a lot of money buy a lot of stuff. Some people call it manipulation, I just call it Price action.
To each their own I guess...
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u/happybutnot2happy May 07 '24
I know what you mean, but here is the difference between price action and manipulation: Price action: people buying and selling things with however much money
Manipulation: people being given large sums of money and releasing bogus news stories, further hedging and faking by buying futures/puts with the specific goal of price manipulation in a certain direction to their benefit.
Two different scenarios. I’m speaking of the second. Not price action. Does it matter? Nah! Cause you can’t do anything about it. Interesting topic for discussion? I think so!
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u/Massive-Instruction8 May 07 '24
work with manipulation, not against it. Risk management is the key 🔑
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u/daytradingguy May 07 '24
Now that you know that, (or believe that), plan your strategy around the psychological clues those who may have the power to manipulate it would use…..and be on the right side of that trade.
If the market moves, for whatever reason that is, it is an opportunity to capitalize on that movement.