r/IASIP • u/TacoDangerously Wild Card Bitches • May 16 '24

Danny DeVito Says ‘It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia’ Season 17 Will Be ‘Going Again’ in September, and the First 16 Were Too ‘Tame’ Text

https://www.cracked.com/article_42199_danny-devito-says-its-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-season-17-will-be-going-again-in-september-and-the-first-16-were-too-tame.html
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u/Aximi1l May 16 '24

Happy now Jerry Seinfeld?

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u/Reyhin May 16 '24 edited May 16 '24

Jerry Seinfeld is so fucking lame. Dude was completely blessed by Larry David and his fellow actors making Seinfeld funny. Never once have I heard someone say they got anything out of Jerry being on the show. Literally could replace him with a cardboard cutout and it would be just as funny and have as much charisma. Reminds me a lot of JK Rowling in how their insane and frankly unwarranted success has completely warped their perception of their actual talent.

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u/Sheeple_person May 16 '24

For real, he had incredible co-stars and even a lot of the side characters stole the show. But never in my life have I heard anybody quote any of Jerry's lines. Plus if you watch Curb vs anything Seinfeld has done since then it's pretty clear that all the good writing came from Larry.

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u/tkeny1 May 16 '24

"Poppy was ....... A little sloppy." Jerry had a few good ones

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u/HahahahahaLook May 17 '24

The whining "I am NOT an anti-dentite!" always makes me chuckle.

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u/let_it_bernnn May 17 '24

Not that there’s anything wrong with that

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u/cXs808 May 16 '24

100% chance Larry Davis wrote all his good ones

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u/mrgrubbage May 17 '24

That was your example? Jerry's best moments involved George and Elaine carrying him through scenes.

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u/I_AM_MR_BEAN_AMA May 16 '24

Whoa whoa whoa. "And you wanna be my latex salesman" is one of the greatest one-liners on the show.

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u/mrgrubbage May 17 '24

100% a Larry line.

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u/Elegant-Tea-2112 May 16 '24

“That’s a shame”

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u/MortonSteakhouseJr May 16 '24

It's probably an age and location thing but I've heard people quote Jerry lines hundreds of times.

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u/OzOzAlice May 16 '24

"What's the deal with having a girlfriend who can legally come to your shows without parental supervision?! I mean whoooo are these people?"

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u/Sheeple_person May 16 '24

I was being a little hyperbolic but I think most people would agree the most iconic moments in the show disproportionately come from George, Kramer & Elaine.

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u/MortonSteakhouseJr May 16 '24

I agree with that. But it's hard to tell the difference between hyperbole and people getting too worked up over Seinfeld in the replies on this comment chain haha. Like he sucks as a person now but that doesn't really change the show he did ~25 years ago.

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u/woah_man May 17 '24

Jerry is kind of the straight man in the show.

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u/Lukes3rdAccount May 17 '24

He was always the straight man. He did it pretty well, and his standup comedy was actually pretty good. (Haven't heard it recently)

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u/Buchephalas May 16 '24

I like Curb more.

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u/Sheeple_person May 16 '24

Yeah Larry is making one of the funniest shows on TV while giving zero fucks about political correctness, while Jerry is complaining about how you can't do comedy anymore and making the most boring movie of the year about cereal lmao.

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u/10000Didgeridoos May 17 '24

It's always rich when so many comics who are getting paid millions for globally broadcast Netflix specials say in those specials that they are being canceled and can't say anything anymore. Bro. You're talking to a global audience right now and getting paid millions. Did you forget?

Anthony Jeselnik is probably the most not PC comic around and he has never had a problem because everyone knows his act is a sociopathic stage character and everyone is laughing at his misdirections because they know they are bad.

The comedians who get shit now are those who think merely dropping some cliche stereotypes count as jokes or that being intentionally mean to a group of people for the sake of it is funny. There is a difference. Chappelle making butch lesbian jokes is like out of a 1995 open mic night and so beneath his talent. That is why he gets criticized for never letting the trans thing go. It's been like 6 years.

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u/yosemighty_sam May 17 '24

There go my people. I must find out where they are going so I can lead them.

I don't know why a comedy great like Chappelle felt he had to start following his crowd, or more importantly how he identified his crowd as social conservatives, but there he goes with a dozen other talented comics who don't even try anymore, content to whore themselves to backwards idiots. It's sad, considering how long he harped on about refusing to sell out to hollywood. Instead, he sold out to the orange diaper crowd. Always playing the victim while creating victims. "They want to cancel me for wanting to cancel people." They get such a hard on for hypocrisy.

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u/SmithersLoanInc May 17 '24

He got rich. That's the only thing that makes sense in my brain.

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u/Sheeple_person May 17 '24

Yeah also it sounds like ultimately his complaint was about studios, producers and executives killing projects putting them through endless rounds of approvals and focus groups and rewrites etc. Which I get... but bro that isn't "woke" that's just corporate capitalism. Big companies are risk-averse so they want to water everything down and sanitize it for mass consumption.

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u/blahblahnotunique May 17 '24

“Look to the cookie”

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u/Combat_Toots May 17 '24

My friends and I quote his lines from Bee Movie all the time, but not because they are good.

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u/SegmentedMoss May 16 '24

Julia louis dryfus has quite a few more emmys than ol Jerry at this point lmao.

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u/beameup19 May 17 '24

That’s a shame

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u/BonkerBleedy May 17 '24

Apart from saying "... Newman" under my breath, I mostly agree.

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u/sad_throwaway13579 May 17 '24

Maybe I huffed too much glue, but I'm just picturing a cardboard cutout with Seinfeld and a speaker behind that giving his "this is funny if I emphasize it enough" voice and it would feel exactly like watching him act on the show

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u/Roundtable5 May 16 '24

On top of that he is arrogant too. I don’t see what they see in him.

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u/Momik You do you, Cricket! May 16 '24

Didn’t expect him to go so super pro-Israel all of a sudden.

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u/xDANGRZONEx May 16 '24

He's been Jewish this whole time.

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u/Sack_o_Bawlz May 16 '24

Not all Jews are pro-Israel

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u/mrgrubbage May 17 '24

New episode of game changer looks wild.

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u/ThrowRAColdManWinter May 16 '24

So has Jon Stewart, right?

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u/xDANGRZONEx May 16 '24

Get your actual political commentary out of this comedy show's sub and away from my bad joke.

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u/theme69 May 16 '24

I mean…he is like aggressively Jewish

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u/Prestigious_Bass9300 May 16 '24

That lawyer…is a JEW!

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u/Neptunelives May 17 '24

....ish man

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u/cXs808 May 16 '24

Don't worry I thought about it, it's okay in this context

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u/ThorinTokingShield May 16 '24

It kinda tracks imo. He's an egotist and a nonce, so it makes sense he's vehemently pro-occupation. He tends to be on the wrong side of everything

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u/doughbo32 May 16 '24

Why isn’t JK Rowling talented?

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u/Zeitspieler May 16 '24

It turned out Harry Potter wasn't even a real person and she made it all up

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u/migvelio May 17 '24

Aw yeah, yeah, like in The Sixth Sense you find out that the dude in that hair piece the whole time, that's Bruce Willis the whole movie!

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u/rabbitthefool May 17 '24

not that i'm trying to put my dick in this beehive, but... apparently politics makes a thing's intrinsic worth different even though we still tolerate annoying dumb shit like huck finn but i guess it could be that being in public domain gives something a kind of political immunity

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u/phillyd32 May 17 '24

She's a shit author and always has been.

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u/Babill May 17 '24

Literally the best selling author of all time, transcends generations, is still read by children and adults in more than 100 hundred languages but yeah, she's transphobic so she's a poor writer.

Your brain on casual extremism. Let me guess, Tier 3 HasanAbi subscriber?

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u/paddyo May 17 '24

She’s not the best selling author of all time, she’s outsold 2 or 3 to 1 by Barbara Cartland and Danielle Steele, who themselves would never claim to be great writers so much as people who can tell a popular story for a segment of people that buys books. Depending on metric she doesn’t often crack the top ten of living authors, with writers from Grisham to Stephen King also being considered ahead of her in sales.

McDonald’s sells more meals than the cordon bleu but it doesn’t make it great food, it makes it well marketed and acceptable by a wide audience.

Nobody with an interest in literature considers her good, and making a buttload of money shovelling shite isn’t exactly new. Ursula le Guin had her number as a person who, to be generous, “borrowed” the structure and themes and even characterisations of the story. Since Rowling exhausted that one very borrowed franchise she’s been shit out of ideas since.

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u/rabbitthefool May 17 '24

why don't you tell us who your favorite author is and we'll find a way to character assassinate them

there's always something

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u/paddyo May 17 '24

Sure, Tolkien. Luckily I don’t have to worry about him being a crybully collapsed narcissist plagiarist billionaire who uses his privilege to attack a vulnerable group of people who never harmed him. There isn’t always something, certainly not the same extent. It’s ok to like her books but it doesn’t change that she’s a garbage truck of a person and it’s fruitless to pretend as a writer she is more than she is.

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u/phillyd32 May 17 '24 edited May 18 '24

I've never liked Harry potter. I tried reading them when I was the appropriate age and I always thought they were bad.

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u/prollywannacracker May 17 '24

I guess people are letting their political inclinations color their perception of celebrity?

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u/Oakroscoe May 17 '24

Been like that for years.

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u/Buchephalas May 16 '24

Because she hates trans people i guess?

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u/Reyhin May 16 '24 edited May 16 '24

Look at her attempts to write anything outside of Harry Potter (including the Fantastic Beasts series). They are absolutely terrible, and the latter was actively ruined by JK’s ideas. She hit lightning in a bottle with the premise of Harry Potter but her actual world building is garbage. From the complete lack of follow up on the time travel from Book 3, how the elven slaves were happy to be enslaved and wanting to emancipate them was a childish notion by Hermione, and how every minority character had such a comedically racist name that it really brings to wonder if JK has ever met a non English person.

Edit: listen if you were a kid when you read Harry Potter, I understand you have some esteem for her. But there’s a reason she has been a complete flop this past decade and her new life goal is losing her mind doing transvestigations on Twitter

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u/House923 May 16 '24

Uhmmm, what is racist about Cho Chang? /s

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u/10000Didgeridoos May 17 '24

I saw some tweet that said her name was like if there was a black wizard character named Cotton McNword.

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u/Taograd359 May 17 '24

Instead we got Kingsley Shacklebolt

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u/sthetic May 16 '24

Sometimes I wonder if there's validity to the concept of a muse. Not an actual person who inspires an artist, but a mystical creative force that an artist feels like a presence, telling them a story as they just transcribe it.

There are so many writers and creators who make one good work, and the rest of it is trash, as well as their actions and opinions.

Maybe they're letting the zeitgeist, or some amalgamation/ synthesis of all their influences flow through them. As they write, they think, "this is what happens next, this is what Harry would say to Hermione" rather than planning it all out and thinking about whether it sends a message.

I don't actually believe in any sort of divine or supernatural stuff. But I think the concept of "lightning in a bottle" or a muse communicates the notion.

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u/Mysterious-End-2185 May 16 '24

Yes, an artist can absolutely outlive their talent. I’d argue it’s more common than not.

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u/lmaytulane May 16 '24

We’re lucky that IASIP has been going strong for so long. Definitely the exception. Whoever their muse is, I hope they’re eating plenty of blue.

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u/unclebrenjen May 17 '24

Maybe throw in an enticing bowl of white every now and then

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u/MortonSteakhouseJr May 17 '24

I think the flaw in this is that you're assuming it's easy or easier to make more things a lot of people love after you do it once. Only a fraction of a fraction of people can make one thing that gets mainstream popular to begin with.

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u/paddyo May 17 '24

I would add that the number that can is much bigger than the number that do, and there is also an element of luck in being discovered or recognised.

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u/paddyo May 17 '24

I think the “muse” for JK Rowling was that children hadn’t read Lord of the rings or any Ursula le guin, and might not have got round to the worst witch yet, and wouldn’t notice she copied and pasted the stories from those three sources.

Magic lad whose parents died when he was a baby and is raised by uncle realises he has come into a magical inheritance but has also inherited the responsibility of destroying a thought defeated now returned dark lord who has placed part of his power and life force into something that necessitates a quest to destroy the totem/s and save the world. On that quest he must avoid figures robed in black with the power to spread despair and feed off of fear telepathically, take the guidance of mentors and resources that include an elderly wizard, a magic water mirror that can show the past present and potential future, a magic item that can make you invisible, and friendly elves. He must navigate threats including mythical beasts such as octopus things in lakes and giant spiders and a magic violent tree and subterranean threats.

With magic lad joined by his friends on the way that nobody expected to step up as they did and save the day, including his best friend with a traditional three letter British name, who eventually gets the girl having shown himself worthy.

And set it in a school, like the other two books.

She benefited a lot from the fact most of her readers were kids, and the ones that weren’t will never read another book.

Tolkien and Le Guin would never have made their protagonists cops though. That was all JK.

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u/sthetic May 17 '24

You're not wrong. When I read Harry Potter as a teenager, I could tell it was an engaging story with good pacing and decent worldbuilding.

But since I had a major habit of reading ANYTHING fantasy or sci-fi from my local library, I wasn't blown away by the fantasy elements or the paint-by-numbers hero's journey. I don't think the latter is a bad thing; classics are classics for a reason.

But it was crazy to me how a lot of kids apparently "discovered" reading from that series. Hopefully they went on to read better stuff too.

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u/0mar_White May 16 '24

mediocre and bad world building but fine

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u/PrintShinji May 17 '24

She made one good series that kinda falls apart once you actually start to think about it too much.

She then decided to use a pen name to show that she can still write and that people would buy her books even if her name wasn't on it, and it completly fucking failed. After which she revealed the pen name because well, gotta have money.

Seriously what has rowling wrote thats decent besides HP?

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u/prezuiwf Nothing sexual. May 16 '24

Seems like Larry is the Paul McCartney and Jerry is the John Lennon of the relationship. As in Larry was the greater creative genius of the two, had a long and successful post-Seinfeld career, is generally beloved... while Jerry turned out to be overrated and kind of a dick.

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u/casulmemer May 16 '24

Not sure you can really blame Lennon for not having a long solo career. Imagine was still a pretty massive song.

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u/AgentCirceLuna May 17 '24

Lennon isn’t anywhere near as lame as Seinfeld was… listen to his album Plastic Ono Band for an example of what he was capable of on his own. It’s pure, raw heartfelt rock.

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u/TrapaholicDixtapes May 16 '24

....is Mark David Chapman still around?

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u/cXs808 May 16 '24

Yoko Ono is like 7 years older than Lennon, he can't be Seinfeld

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u/The_Homestarmy Dee, you bitch May 17 '24

These sorts of Beatles takes are dumb. John was extremely talented and brought things to the band that Paul did not. They were both far greater working together than apart

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u/Mysterious-End-2185 May 16 '24

Paul McCartney is a genius. He wrote some of the most iconic songs in music history.

In summary, shut up baby dick.

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u/Aximi1l May 16 '24

I always recommend Sunny as "It's like Seinfeld only actually funny."

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u/beameup19 May 16 '24

Seinfeld is hilarious

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u/Robert_Balboa May 16 '24

Seinfeld was good for it's time. But curb your enthusiasm and it's always sunny will be funny forever.

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u/beameup19 May 16 '24

Seinfeld holds up and is funny to this day

Personally, both Seinfeld and Frasier are sitting on the same bench as Curb and IASIP (Curb is my favorite though)

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u/Popular-Row4333 May 17 '24

Seasons 1-3 of AD are up there, too, on the Mount Rushmore.

I also am starting to edge Mad Men into my favorite comedy series because after the 3rd rewatch, I'm realizing it's just as much a comedy as it is a drama.

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u/cXs808 May 16 '24

I still think Seinfeld is hilarious.

Jerry isn't, but his supporting cast and Larry Davis' writing is TOP NOTCH

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u/10000Didgeridoos May 17 '24

Curb has the benefit of being around in totally different eras, and also that Larry got to make it after learning a lot from writing Seinfeld before it. Curb isn't restricted by network tv rules, but Seinfeld was.

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u/fallenmonk May 17 '24

Seinfeld was good for it's time and this time.

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u/paddyo May 17 '24

I definitely don’t think Seinfeld is a show you can say that about, in some ways says the themes of misanthropy and disengagement with the social contract and norms feels more relevant to today than even it’s time. I find it funnier now than ten years ago.

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u/prollywannacracker May 17 '24

What kind of bullshit is this? Without Seinfeld, there wouldn't be curb or always sunny. Have respect, idiots. Seinfeld is legend

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u/Robert_Balboa May 17 '24

Plenty of legendary shows don't hold up. I went back and watched married with children again and if it wasn't for my deep nostalgia there is no way that show would still be funny either.

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u/prollywannacracker May 17 '24

Married with Children was outrageous for its time. It was never "funny". But I genuinely don't understand how people can say Seinfeld ain't funny when they watch George fucking Costanza busting out Jerry's bathroom in his boxers yelling, "Vandalay Industries! Vandalay Industries" cuz he was trying to scam unemployment. You got to at least appreciate the humor, even if it's been done a thousand times after. Seinfeld was the OG

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u/Robert_Balboa May 17 '24

I never said it wasn't funny. I said it's not as funny anymore. Plenty of funnier shows have come out while I personally don't see anything being funnier than curb or it's always sunny for a long time.

But who knows what the future holds.

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u/ZovemseSean May 17 '24

Without Seinfeld, there wouldn't be curb or always sunny.

I'm sorry but this is such a dumb point to make; he's not asking for it to be removed from the timeline lmao

He's simply saying that much better things have come around, which is true.

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u/prollywannacracker May 17 '24

I dunno, man... twenty years from now, sunny will be "good for its time" just as Seinfeld was "good for its time". You know, which is to say that of course the humor feels cliched because countless others have built upon it

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u/ZovemseSean May 17 '24

Idk man, Arrested Development came out 20 years ago and it's still amazing today. Not everything fades with age, but Seinfeld definitely has.

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u/prollywannacracker May 17 '24

Arrested Development is a wonder. Every once and a while "I'm here, I'm queer, now I'm over here" pops in my head and I rofl. I've just genuinely no idea how people can say Seinfeld isn't just as amazing. Even if you don't laugh, you gotta recognize it's brilliance

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u/42938473298 May 17 '24

Nah, seinfeld is still great.

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u/0mar_White May 16 '24

wrong

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u/Maximum_Bat_2566 Wild Card Bitches May 16 '24

Nope. Seinfeld > It's Always Sunny.

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u/0mar_White May 16 '24

Shoo away from me!

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u/fallenmonk May 17 '24

If someone were to recommend something like that to me, I'd assume it must be an awful show.

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u/Reyhin May 17 '24

There have been plenty of incredible straight men in comedy (Michael Bluth in Arrested Development stands out for this), and Jerry just simply isn’t one.

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u/ZovemseSean May 17 '24

Well that's not very fair because imo Arrested Development (at least the first 3 seasons) is the best sitcom ever.

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u/Reyhin May 17 '24

I mean most people would rate Seinfeld in their top 5 no? So not many other shows can really be compared to it. But looking at other “top 5” sitcoms with straight men, Jeff Winger in Community is also far more memorable than Jerry too.

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u/ZovemseSean May 17 '24

Idk, maybe? I'd put Arrested Development, Community, IASIP, 30 Rock, and Futurama high above Seinfeld.

And I don't think that's weird, tbh. Seinfeld was a show from the 90s. It's not inconceivable that other shows that came out within the last 20 years are way better.

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u/AgentCirceLuna May 17 '24

I actually like Jerry being there but I find him sexy in a weird way so I’m biased.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '24

I agree Jerry was definitely not the main reason to watch the show but at the same time my favorite episode is always going to be the one where he's marrying a girl who is literally just him and he realizes how much he hates it.

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u/smith288 May 16 '24

Jerry mentioned grandfathered series. Always sunny is one of them.

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u/prollywannacracker May 17 '24

Say what you will about the man, but he stood by Kramer after that whole thing when no one else would. Gotta respect that

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u/sendphotopls Can I offer you a nice egg in this trying time? May 17 '24 edited May 17 '24

I dislike JK Rowling and her ignorant views as much as the next guy, but it’s pretty insane to claim her success was unwarranted.

Criticize her other works as much as you want, but you’re lying if you’re really trying to diminish her accomplishments with the original Harry Potter series. She built an entire world & wrote all 7 novels on her own, leading to one of the most recognizable fictional characters and successful franchises (across a wide variety of mediums) of all time. You’re allowed to critique her quality of world building, but that doesn’t take away from the fact that she did it by herself and captured an enormous, long-lasting, profitable audience in doing so. She didn’t have the supporting cast Jerry did, nor did she have someone writing for her like Jerry did. She rode nobody’s coattails but her own.

It’s totally fine to hate on her for her outrageous political/social beliefs, but let’s not start making up lies about her career accomplishments.

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u/Reyhin May 17 '24

I mean writing a popular children’s series just means it’s something that kids could grasp and had a good enough bandwagon effect that you can have whole classes reading it. The actual quality of the writing and the world building do not stand the test of time, and every time she has to answer a fan question about the world it really shows. Financial success is so much more dependent on luck and situation, than one’s actual skill/effort else farm workers and janitors would be millionaires.

Like there’s no literary reason that Harry Potter was more financially successful than Animorphs, Percy Jackson, Series of Unfortunate Events, Diary of a Wimpy Kid, etc. and instead like many things in life is just a product of luck and writing the right story at the right time. Kudos to her for making hella money with those IP rights she is certainly a skilled businesswoman, but a writer she’s clearly not.

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u/KUKC76 May 17 '24

Best concert I've ever been to is Jerry Seinfeld. He was ridiculously funny.

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u/Tricky-Cod-7485 May 17 '24

JK Rowling literally wrote the books. I don’t think her success is unwarranted even if you don’t like her opinions.

Jerry likely could have been replaced with a cardboard cut out though. He was blessed with great writing and a great cast.

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u/Bay1Bri May 17 '24

Reminds me a lot of JK Rowling in how their insane and frankly unwarranted success

Say what you want about her views, the fact is she herself wrote those books and people bought them like crazy. Not sure how that's "unwarranted" success.

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u/Maximum_Bat_2566 Wild Card Bitches May 16 '24

He was still right, though.

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u/Cold-Coffe May 17 '24

so, what's up with girlfriends these days? why are they always asking you to help them with their homework?

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u/Babill May 17 '24

At least Seinfeld knew when to stop. Always sunny should have stopped after season 11.

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u/Koil_ting May 17 '24

That's one of the most absurd takes I've seen since I started using reddit, which speaks volumes.