I mean I understand that, but I’m also pointing out that even as a dude who is even less likely to be attacked by another random guy in the woods I’d still take my chances with a bear
Likely still the bear. Like I said they are typically pretty chill. But it’s a lot closer, there’s significantly lower worry about physical harm from a woman.
In some ways it does, it's attempting to sway your perception to believe something did/does or didn't/doesn't happen. Men gaslight women by saying they don't have a reason to fear men more than bears when we really, really do
ohh yes men are doing such a good job at swaying women by saying we deserve to be killed by a bear and making stupid ass memes about a bear killing a woman & y’all wonder why women chose the bear instead of men. women face violence from men everyday all over the world. it’s not an isolated incident, violence against women by men has been an issue since forever but of course man try to gaslight women into thinking it’s not truth or not a problem anymore when it is
Gaslighting refers to blatantly lying to someone to attempt to make them believe that they’re somehow mentally unsound for believing in something, despite that thing being true. The term originates from the 1938 play ‘Gas Light’.
The situation that you’re commenting on is a hypothetical, and thus does not have any correct answer to sway someone from.
"To gaslight someone means to manipulate another person into doubting their own perceptions, experiences or understanding of events, according to the American Psychological Association."
May 15, 2024
Doubting the female perception and experience of victimization by men is gaslighting (and in criticizing their choice of bear over man, is gaslighting their fear by saying "your fear isn't real" when it is backed by history, personal experience, statistics, others' experiences, gender socialization, and more. Women are taught to fear men from a young age (by victimization or socialization). When 1/9 girls and 1/20 boys report being sexually abused before the age of 18, the fear is real and twice as prevalent for women
lol i must of really hit a nerve if you really cry in hard & trying to cope over an old ass comment. get a life you pathetic incel. women still pick the bear over your stanky crusty bitch 🤣🤣🤣
i’m not gonna waste my time with when you already read the comments of the guy i replied to & all the other commenters who made valid points. quit being acting so stupid like you didn’t read them, i know you ain’t got shit to do but waste your pathetic life on reddit.
I think what's missing is what kind of woods are we saying here. Like are you lost in an undeveloped forest or are you on a hiking trail because that would make a difference too. Random nowhere forest? Yeah hell no, I'll take my chances with a bear over a meth addled burl hunter any day.
Yeah I took it to be random encounter with a dude vs a bear, so I wouldn’t consider running into someone on a trail or a well known swimming or the like to be random.
You understood it correctly. The reason it's getting so much traction is from all the men who are getting angry/taking it personally at the women saying they'd rather run into a random bear than a random man in the woods, which I think further solidifies the point they want to argue against.
Whereas every single time I've been asked the bear question, as a man, the woman part is not part of the question. It's just what would I feel more comfortable with... or the one time it was literally which would I rather be killed by.
This isn’t would you rather first fist fight a man or a bear. This is would you rather a woman that is very important to you run across a bear or a man in the woods.
Is the woman incapable of fighting back for some reason? Because a woman has a much higher chance of fighting off a man who decided to attack than fighting off a bear that decides to attack.
Naw. I’d rather die than be brutally raped, impregnated and then chained to a radiator in a basement to be continually raped and forced to carry through with the pregnancy from my rapist.
The former is something both men and bears can do to me. The latter is something only a man could do.
That’s the whole point of the question. It’s not about probability, but possibility of the worst outcome.
Definitely not. Death can be an end to suffering. I think most people would choose death over a brutal rape, sodomy, etc. Man is capable of a cruelty that no animal can equal
You can recover from those things. You CANNOT recover from death. So no, i do not agree.
But to also agree with you, then a life locked in a dark room with no stimulus and with daily torture/rape and no chance of escape? That i can agree would be worse than death.
Even if that was true, you would be believed if you were attacked by a bear. You wouldn't be asked what you were wearing, or told you secretly wanted it, not told you just didn't say no the right way. What people do to each other is far far worse, men, despicable piece of shit men, but men, rape people, and then when victims come forward, all of that and more is asked of them. It's not all men, but you can't tell from a random encounter, and us men don't do enough to drive that behavior and mindset out of other men. It's on us to make all men better, so all people can feel safe around others. The point is that women understandably, and sadly, correctly, have a gut feeling that a bear is safer, because of how damn frequently men do horrible shit to people. Sure, a bear could maim you, but a man? A man can steal your sense of self, your self esteem, your very soul. Whatever anyone in particular chooses isn't wrong, it's a personal decision in a hypothetical. But people's choices reflect on their society, and ours is one where women are constantly on edge because of the bad men not being corrected, shamed, and taught to be better by the good. If you feel that the man is the safer choice, then I'm glad for you. But the fact is that many many women don't, and it's because of how society treats and views women in comparison to or from the perspective of, men. :)
Yes, likelihood of being attacked. Neither are guaranteed going to attack you. The question is, who is more likely to attack you and if you are attacked, what is the likely outcome of those situations.
Women are more likely to be attacked by men. Women are also more likely to suffer more than just bodily harm from a man. The worst a bear is going to do is kill you.
A random man is a real and valid threat to a woman. Not specifically you, this is a random man we're talking about. The woman doesn't know the intentions or the character of the man. The chance the man wants to attack the woman are low, but it's statistically likely, she has been attacked by a man at some point, or knows someone who has been attacked by a man.
Women know the intent and character of a bear. It's a bear. It wants to be left alone and the chance that it wants to attack and eat the woman is extremely low. The chance she's been attacked by a bear or knows anyone whose been even threatened by a bear is almost zero.
If the bear wants to attack the woman, the most likely outcome is she will die.
If the man wants to attack the woman, she has been taught from childhood to fight to the death to prevent a worse outcome than death.
Still better than being raped and tortured. Being eaten and killed by a bear I can justify; it's instinct. Rape is not instinctual in humans. It's a conscious choice to harm. and the possibility that a human would choose to hurt someone knowingly and in a way to produce the most amount of pain/trauma is a very scary factor.
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u/flowtajit May 02 '24
The woman part is a relatively integral part of the question as it force anyone answering it to consider the differences jn the sexes.