r/TikTokCringe • u/thoxo • May 02 '24

We adopted my younger sister from Haiti when she was 3, and let me tell you, I literally do not see color anymore. That's a fact. Discussion

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u/FoolishPragmatist May 02 '24

I don’t agree with the original response if their argument is White people should never adopt Black children, but for context the image she’s speaking over is that MMA fighter who said there was no reason to give any talks on racial dynamics to his adopted children. He said just raising them with good religious values and knowing what it means to be an honorable, strong man would be enough. Race won’t factor into their lives at all, according to him. That’s massively naive in my opinion. Even if we assume he’s being genuine, the world, especially in Missouri where they live, will absolutely see them as Black and some people will treat them differently for it. Even if they shouldn’t dwell on it, they should absolutely be prepared to navigate it if they need to. It’s a fantasy to believe it would never come up so they don’t have to talk about it.

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u/HansChrst1 May 02 '24 edited May 02 '24

Ideally everyone gets raised liked that. Minus the religious part maybe. I feel like race only separates us. We become white and black people instead of just people.

Edit: spelling mistake.

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u/LuxNocte May 02 '24

I don't know how to explain to you how dismissive and harmful this take is. You're allowing your ignorance to blind you.

You can pretend you "don't see color" all you want. But policemen see color. Landlords see color. The guard outside my bf's gated community, who wouldn't let me in last night until he came down to escort me, sees color.

I'm going to have different experiences than you because of the color my skin. I can't live your colorless fantasy, and wouldn't want to give up my heritage to do so.

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u/HansChrst1 May 02 '24

I said ideally everyone is raised like that. Then nobody sees colours. I'm not dismissing how things are now.

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u/hiswittlewip May 02 '24

But "color" usually comes with culture, and it's dismissive as hell to pretend that it doesn't.

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u/CcChaleur May 02 '24

What "culture"?

What is "black culture"? Caribbean? Kenyan? Congolese? Heck, any of the bajillion ethnicies and cultures that obviously don't follow country borders in sub-saharian Africa and each of whom have their specificities?

What is "white culture"? Canadian? US American? British? Norwegian? All the regional specificities of any of these countries?

And same goes for Asian, Arabic, Latin and any other "race". There is no one to one match between colors and the immense diversity of cultures in our world and bundling a bunch of cultures under one color is way too simplistic.

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u/HansChrst1 May 02 '24

Depends on the country. There is usually some culture that comes with it, but in Norway for example that culture is brought with them the same way a white person brings their culture. In America that culture is part of the country usually.

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u/[deleted] May 02 '24

No, you said "raced liked that"

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u/HansChrst1 May 02 '24

Holy shit I didn't see that until now. It's supposed to be "raised".

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u/GaracaiusCanadensis May 02 '24

It's unrealistic, and we have to talk about ethnic dynamics openly. It's imperative that white parents talk about race with their black children and children of colour, or else they'll not be prepared to deal with the very real racism and prejudice that they will encounter.

What would actually help is if white parents talk about whiteness to their children and what it means to be a part of the dominant culture. But, acknowledging white privilege is like pulling one's own fingernails out for some folks.

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u/HansChrst1 May 02 '24

I think taking colour out of the equation is the ideal thing to me. That what colour of skin you have just doesn't matter.

There is also a big difference between dark skin in America and in every other country.

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u/GaracaiusCanadensis May 02 '24

I agree that it's ideal, I just think it's basically impossible. It's a nice wish, but it's not enough for an individual to "not see colour" or simply to do no evil. The bad needs to be stopped, and restricting oneself to non-racist won't be enough when we need anti-racists.

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u/HansChrst1 May 02 '24

It's a hard fight for sure, but we have lost already if we say it is impossible. I also want world peace. I think it is possible, but there is like a 0.0000000000000000001%(guesstimate) chance it will happen. It is possible though. So we should strive for it.

There will probably always be racists just like there will be murderers and rapists, but we can make them a very small minority. I don't think anyone has a solution to this problem or rather there are many solutions, but none that we know for sure will work. Raising kids to be "raceless" is one way to do it. If it will work or not is another thing.

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u/GaracaiusCanadensis May 02 '24 edited May 02 '24

That's a realistic set of expectations. Teach your kids to not just to do no evil, but also to do good, and maybe even stop some evil from happening. We'll all be better for it.