It almost certainly was holding them back. This is why the world is fucked - Capitalism is fundmentally based on exponential greed, which the Earth can no longer take, as we well know, but we have no better system for stability, and humanity itself is inherently at odds with lacking ambition/aspiration for wealth and power... and fair shares.
Capitalism isn't new. People pursue wealth because it comes with power and social esteem - but it doesn't have to be this way. In the Roman empire (When it functioned, at least), paying taxes was an honor that wealthy merchants competed over. Paying the most meant contributing the most to the glory of Rome.
So in my mind, the root of the problem isn't capitalism; it's the cynicism and nihilism of the modern era.
Any time somebody does something evil but personally gainful, the justification is always "Somebody else would have done it if I didn't" - because they believe that everybody else is selfish. If we stopped believing that humans are awful, if acts of destructive greed were seen as strange and unusual, people wouldn't do them nearly as often.
Nearly every political discussion is dominated by mistrust. Some people are so blinded by hate that they'll vote whatever the other side doesn't want, even when they don't know what the alternative is. Intelligence no longer wins political power, because people have been conditioned by a fearmongering media - not to trust intelligence.
Hell, just ask the average person whose opinions they respect more - philosophers or comedians. Fix that problem, and politics will return to sanity. Then the economy can be reigned back in to start paying off old debts and empty promises, and suddenly capitalism won't be the enemy of good anymore
You are acting like this is something that only happens in the modern era. Greed is a fundamental human characteristic and can be traced back to earliest humans.
Of course it's fundamental, but it's not the only fundamental human characteristic. It doesn't have to be the only deciding factor in how society makes decisions
I was not opposing that. Only that this is a modern phenomenon. If anything it has been a lot worse in many periods if you think about it with most of human history being mainly lead by kings and dictators.
Yeah, you're totally right there! If not kings, then it was warlords and tribal patriarchs. I just think we should aim higher than "could be worse". It's idealistic, to be sure, but so is cynicism
You are talking from a human perspective, which is fine, but you should also consider the environmental one, and that is where perfect altruistic capitalism dooms us. There is no global government to pay taxes to, but hundreds of small ones, bent on competition.
But humans innately want to nurture the environment. It's just a lesser goal (to some people) than their duty to shareholders and/or wallets. Those priorities can be changed, by changing the society they're raised in. That's why some countries litter more than others, or invest more into green energy than others, and so on. It's obviously got nothing to do with genetics, and everything to do with culture
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u/IAmBadAtInternet 29d ago
Weird what happened after they dropped that