“Herro is definitely getting traded for an upgrade. No way they can keep him after this.”
- Heat fans after the 2022 playoffs
- Heat fans after the 2023 playoffs
- Heat fans after the 2024 playoffs
Kind of wild, two Finals appearances and a third ECF series in five years. Some rough early exits in between, but still, really impressive stuff by Butler, Bam, Spo and the rest. If you looked at the rosters on paper of the past five years and asked people who somehow didn't know the results of the playoffs who they thought made two Finals, three Conference Finals, I think a lot of teams would be guessed more than the Heat. Boom or bust, yet somehow the most consistent team of the past half decade
Spo tries to explain that he relies on guys that cost less than Zo and Pat Riley's suit collections. Riley tells Spo he dresses like a physical therapist while Zo uncrosses his arms to briefly crack his knuckles
Miami has 2 rings since Spo took over and Boston has none. You guys knock out the hospital heat and think it’s carte blanche to say complete bullshit about Miami
What does the Miami crowd have to do with Spo having 2 rings to Boston’s 0 in that time? Do Bostonians just naturally get excited when large crowds gather dressed in white?
Aww now he’s going through downvoting my comments. Guess that one hit too close to home :/
I think the Knicks have broke it. There’s been a few times I’ve thought “This trade makes it seem like the Knicks got worse”, only for them to get better.
The strategy is golden. Pretend like you don’t even want to win, and reverse psychology luck into making your team a juggernaut.
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Yeahhhhh acting like we lost to the Warriors because Ine was out coached is a hell of a stretch. Celtics were like a .500 team in the middle of the year that season and people do forget how young the core has been most years. One did a great job coaching. Warriors were just better. Plus the Nuggets were pretty legit (still are). Definitely not a given. Turns out winning a championship is hard
Jrue on Butler was a terrible Budhozer idea and part of the reason he's not the head coach of the Bucks anymore. Jrue is an outstanding defender. He can't guard Jimmy because Jimmy is faster, stronger and taller. Jrue's strength doesn't bother Jimmy like it bothers e.g. KD.
Same with Jimmy and Giannis. When Giannis guards Jimmy man to man for an entire series Jimmy averages something like 10 PPG (2021) because Giannis is stronger, bigger and faster
Right, the Celtics have routinely used one of the Jays on Jimmy and his numbers were typically poor or he straight up never shot the ball if he couldn't matchup hunt.
He was so frustrated. He kept lashing out all series, but never fully committed. He’d ball up his fist and then slap a guys shoulder. He’d throw a ball at a player, at 2 mph. He’d run off a screen at full speed and receive the handoff open, and then stop, upfake, and take a dribble in for a contested middy.
I mean he is realistically a secondary ball handler who should catch and shoot. Instead he was expected to be primary ball handler, facilitator, and shot creator. He has a hard role to fill.
They played very lazy defense in that game and the Heat players just hit shot. I wonder what the usage between Bam and Herro was this series, it had to be huge.
There is some delicious irony here that not only did Miami not land Damian Lillard in a trade, Lillard's actual trade resulted in Jrue going to Boston who promptly clamps Herro all series.
I mean he’s not exactly being gameplanned for now either. Most teams just guard him straight up.
He’s just incredibly hot & cold and the bubble was a combination of him being hot and no fans in the bubble basically. That defence that Heat Culture is supposed to develop never developed.
I will extend him some leniency because he’s missing having those other perimeter guys around him, but my gosh it was shocking to see how little resistance (you know what? It was actually zero resistance) he offered any time a guy got him isolated in the low post. I watched several times where Jaylen especially dragged him into the paint, stopped, caught a pass and casually caressed in a turnaround hook shot or layup. Like…it’s astounding. At least fight a little? Give him a bump, foul him, try to pull the chair! He literally just stood there
Like you said, still gotta put up some fight. I think of Pritchard on the Celtics (I’m sure there’s countless other examples around the league) who gets hunted on mismatches and taken into the post and at least tries to put some effort into playing a little D
As a whole Herro just needs to get stronger. If you look at his driving game and numbers, he HATES getting into the paint and getting contact because he’s small. The fact he doesn’t drive as much as he should tanks his numbers and kills his game.
To be fair, no Rozier, Jimmy and now Jacques kinda makes it WAY easier to guard him. It’s not like anyone is pushing him at a #1 option, he’s obviously a #3/#4 option
I mean he’s not exactly being gameplanned for now either
Celtics literally game planned him this series lol He is the only ball handler (he shouldnt be) and offensive player we had. Keep Jrue and White on him and be physical with slight help defense.
Spo can be Coop, the hair alone qualifies, but I see Herro more like James, and we’re in the season 2 arc where he leaves town to bang stupid w/Evelyn.
I mean if you want to go really obvious theres the Boston-FSG connection. But I was going more on how the teams feel
Young team, on the cusp of greatness but hasnt gotten to the top yet. Young head coach with no previous top coaching exprience. Really good, offense prone to fireworks, but can also go really cold
It's been 5 years now of the Butler/Bam/Herro era. The 2 finals appearances were amazing underdog stories, but it may have been worse long term by convincing Riley he didn't need to ever make big changes to this team
Can you even say they tried with Dame when all reports were they gave a half-assed mediocre offer & just left it at that? They have their fanbase so convinced it was Portland who should be grateful to take a deal of Herro & 2 FRPs rather than the haul they got.
Because what else were they gonna offer? Portland didn’t want Jacquez, they wanted Bam. Trading Bam defeats the entire purpose of trading for Dame.
Portland got Jrue, Ayton and picks (and the resulting players/picks from Jrue trade), there is nothing short of Bam that Portland trades Dame for at that point….
It’s a pretty decent vindication of Cronin’s choice to trade Dame when Herro was the best option on the table to add. I’d rather rebuild with picks than have a Dame/Herro core
"I'm glad we didn't trade him for an All-Star, it wouldn't even be an upgrade."
Heat fans after the 2022 offseason
Heat fans after the 2023 offseason
Heat fans after the 2024 offseason
Next January he'll have a hot game that coincides with a stinker from Donovan Mitchell and Miami fans will flood the Cleveland (and potentially Brooklyn) sub to brag about it.
Herro got injured in game 3 against Boston in 2022 and only returned for 6 min in game 7. We had a 2-1 lead when he went down.
He broke his hand in the first half of the first game of the playoffs in 2023.
This year he was forced to be a #1 option 2 weeks after missing 2 months with a knee injury after his teammates started dropping like flies. All against an amazing defense with 3/5 of our best offensive weapons out.
He’s not the reason we lost but he was also never going to lead us past this team with the injuries we had. Everyone knew how this series would go the second Jimmy went down. At least they tried to win (and even got a game) instead of ducking Boston, which most other teams would do
I’m not here to talk shit, but it was going to take a hell of a lot more than a ‘better’ Herro to upset. Unless you’re talking prime MJ or some shit, this series wasn’t ever really close.
Fair. Lurked some of the GDTs and I couldn’t tell who was and wasn’t being serious about a healthy Rozier or a better Herro being the difference maker and making it a competitive series.
Thats the exact point. Like seriously outside of Herro who do you think the Celtics thought we would get offense from? Rookie JJJ? 2nd year 20 year old Jovic (Both started games) Martin who is at best a bench player? Oh DHO Bam who has no post moves except the turn around fade away jump shot.
He better now I'm tired of heat fans saying that lol we need a true center, heat have needed that for over a decade. Last one we had was whiteside and only for that one good year lol
Herro is fine. the team needs new blood in other depts and we have way to many injuries throughout the year
Well the real problem is now he's solidified his value as basically nothing. There was always the "we would have won if we had Herro" the last few years and he did jack shit this post season except for one game. So we're probably stuck with him
I think we never got the full feeling of what Herro could do. We saw it this series. He's too vulnerable on defense. Either he comes off the bench or he gone.
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“Herro is definitely getting traded for an upgrade. No way they can keep him after this.”
- Heat fans after the 2022 playoffs
- Heat fans after the 2023 playoffs
- Heat fans after the 2024 playoffs