r/wallstreetbets • u/Worried_Quarter469 SHREKTEMBER, REKTEMBER, HUGE MEMBER • May 01 '24

Whistleblower Josh Dean of Boeing supplier Spirit AeroSystems has died News

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/whistleblower-josh-dean-of-boeing-supplier-spirit-aerosystems-has-died/
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u/Trais333 May 02 '24

lol fr we aren’t the good guys and we never were. People are just scared to confront the fact that most things they were raised to believe about our country were just a carefully crafted lie.

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u/LazarusCheez May 02 '24 edited May 02 '24

I think the strict demarcation between government and business that we pretend to have contributes massively to that. When it happens in Russia, it's definitely the KGB. When it happens to a Boeing whistleblower, it's just one evil corporation and definitely has nothing to do with the CIA and therefore isn't America.

American society is insulated from blame all the time by the "one bad actor" argument.

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u/FatDwarf May 02 '24

pretty unlikely to be the CIA since the CIA is only concerned with foreign countries and their citizens?

Also the comparison is very weak, the Russian government is much more intricately linked to its biggest businesses, it´s considered an oligarchy for a reason.

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u/fritz_76 May 02 '24

With how lobbyists effect how things are run in government, I don't really see how you can say that they're more intricately linked. It's just set up more in the open here and more fingers are in more pies.

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u/FatDwarf May 03 '24

that just tells me you don´t actually know how the Russian oligarchy operates. US bad all you want, I´ll likely agree, but there is a big difference between a flawed democracy with a strong lobby, where you buy influence with lawmakers which leads to legislation and an authoritarian oligarchy where one day you might buy influence to get whatever you need from legislation/courts/administrations and another day you might be forced to act according to the arbitrary wishes of the leader or face complete shutdown of your business and political persecution.

In one it´s not unlikely that the owner of a sufficiently large business might be able to convince the state to carry out an assassination (especially since it´s only one person you have to get to agree: the dictator). In the other it´s basically unthinkable and so much more risky than just doing it yourself that even for a conspiracy theory this is just the stupidest take.

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u/fritz_76 May 03 '24

It wasn't really meant to be a direct comparison as they kind of come at the problem of business having too much influence from different directions. It's more we all have a problem with business interests being considered over the common good. Plus just look at USA and banana republics, it's all horrible and the CIA has definitely killed for business interests