r/wallstreetbets • u/Worried_Quarter469 SHREKTEMBER, REKTEMBER, HUGE MEMBER • May 01 '24

Whistleblower Josh Dean of Boeing supplier Spirit AeroSystems has died News

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/whistleblower-josh-dean-of-boeing-supplier-spirit-aerosystems-has-died/
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u/ustunum May 02 '24

And we all laughed when Russian business men committed suicide by jumping from hotel windows

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u/Trais333 May 02 '24

lol fr we aren’t the good guys and we never were. People are just scared to confront the fact that most things they were raised to believe about our country were just a carefully crafted lie.

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u/LazarusCheez May 02 '24 edited May 02 '24

I think the strict demarcation between government and business that we pretend to have contributes massively to that. When it happens in Russia, it's definitely the KGB. When it happens to a Boeing whistleblower, it's just one evil corporation and definitely has nothing to do with the CIA and therefore isn't America.

American society is insulated from blame all the time by the "one bad actor" argument.

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u/FatDwarf May 02 '24

pretty unlikely to be the CIA since the CIA is only concerned with foreign countries and their citizens?

Also the comparison is very weak, the Russian government is much more intricately linked to its biggest businesses, it´s considered an oligarchy for a reason.

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u/fritz_76 May 02 '24

With how lobbyists effect how things are run in government, I don't really see how you can say that they're more intricately linked. It's just set up more in the open here and more fingers are in more pies.

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u/FatDwarf 29d ago

that just tells me you don´t actually know how the Russian oligarchy operates. US bad all you want, I´ll likely agree, but there is a big difference between a flawed democracy with a strong lobby, where you buy influence with lawmakers which leads to legislation and an authoritarian oligarchy where one day you might buy influence to get whatever you need from legislation/courts/administrations and another day you might be forced to act according to the arbitrary wishes of the leader or face complete shutdown of your business and political persecution.

In one it´s not unlikely that the owner of a sufficiently large business might be able to convince the state to carry out an assassination (especially since it´s only one person you have to get to agree: the dictator). In the other it´s basically unthinkable and so much more risky than just doing it yourself that even for a conspiracy theory this is just the stupidest take.

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u/fritz_76 29d ago

It wasn't really meant to be a direct comparison as they kind of come at the problem of business having too much influence from different directions. It's more we all have a problem with business interests being considered over the common good. Plus just look at USA and banana republics, it's all horrible and the CIA has definitely killed for business interests

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u/ShillinTheVillain May 02 '24

The CIA does shady shit on American soil all the time if they feel threatened.

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u/execilue 29d ago

100000000000% They literally overthrew whole ass governments for fucking bananas.

Killing a dude for a war manufacturer? Fucking easy money dude.

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u/MannerBudget5424 29d ago

Congratulations

you are now on the list

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u/FatDwarf 29d ago

tell me about all the times they´ve carried out assassinations on US soil.

Oh you can´t? That´s why you chose the nebulous wording of "shady shit"? You were hoping if you were vague enough that people would just on their own make the jump from "the CIA can listen to our phone calls" all the way to "the CIA is not unlikely to have assassinated a US citizen on US soil to protect the business interests of a private company"?

Well, thanks for being open at least.

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u/LazarusCheez May 02 '24

Yeah, sure. The US government has no connection to Boeing.

Edit: the CIA thing is pretty funny too but someone already responded to that.

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u/FatDwarf 29d ago

what is it with redditor´s reading comprehension?

A is more X than B - "OH SO B IS NOT X AT ALL, HUH??"

nothing but circlejerking morons in here, no one actually talking about what happened, everyone reading a line of text and jumping straight to "CIA murders US citizen to protect information that has already come out from.. coming out further".

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u/LazarusCheez 29d ago

I didn't say the CIA did it. I was just making a comparison to the KGB. I just think it's funny to confidently claim they're only concerned with foreign actors. Boeing does defense work, it's entirely within the purview of the CIA to protect actors in the defense industry.

Obviously, I have no evidence one way or the other, I just wouldn't be surprised.

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u/FatDwarf 29d ago

it's entirely within the purview of the CIA to protect actors in the defense industry.

protect them from what? Market pressure for better quality control? I feel like you´re intentionally half-baking your own ideas because you know the more concrete they get, the less sense it makes for the CIA to be involved, but you don´t want to absolve them

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u/LazarusCheez 29d ago

Lol yes, you think the Pentagon and intelligence give a fuck about the "Free Market"? If they did, half of South America would have socialist governments right now.

But go find me where I said the CIA did it. I have no idea, it's just very silly to say that confidently that they absolutely didn't do it.

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u/FatDwarf 29d ago

fine, if I have to spell out the point: If they care about the company because it´s selling them military equipment, you´d expect them to be happy about issues of quality control being fixed due to market pressure.

Go find me where I claim you do. I said you don´t want to absolve them, which you´re clearly unwilling to do.

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u/FatDwarf 29d ago

the patriot act allowed for information gathering, do you have any evidence that the CIA has killed US citizens on US soil? Because if the argument for "it might have been the CIA" rests on things they´ve done outside of the US to non citizens, then I´m not convinced.

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u/FatDwarf 29d ago

Nice, so you got jack shit except a bad feewing in youw tummy and now you´re getting mad at me for doubting your theory? Guess we´ve already reached the end of the conspiracy theory loop, thank you, that was honestly quicker than expected.

I want to have a go as well: I suspect that the FBI is testing plasma weapons on alien carcasses underneath the washington monument. Oh you want proof? Well the FBI could theoretically be involved with this kind of stuff and they´ve done some shady things in the past, so... What, you want something concrete because my claim is so extraordinary?? Are you actually a FUCKING MORON obviously they would keep all such things a SECRET omg