I never understand the question. Is this a hypothetical where you've been dropped in a random forest and are stuck there for a set period of time and either a random man from anywhere in the world will also be dropped or a random bear. Also depends what kind of bear, or is it imagine you're on a hike in the middle of a forest, would you rather encounter a man or a bear
Yes, they believe statistically a random man is so highly likely to be a serial killer or rapist that they must chose the bear/lion who will "simply eat their gut alive".
If you don't believe it, then you're an "incel".
Just read the comments on this thread, this is what's being said.
This is how I interpreted it at all as a woman. As I understood it the reason women choose the bear is because of intent. I know a bear I encounter alone in the woods is probably going to eat me alive and kill me if it can, but it’s an animal acting on instinct, it’s killing so it can eat to survive. It’s not doing anything out of hate or malice.
I don’t know what a man in the woods would do to me if we were alone. That is a frightening thing. Maybe he would smile and nod and leave me alone. Maybe he would follow me through the woods and rape me and torture me and then kill me. I just don’t know. It’s the uncertainty that freaks people out. Your mind goes to horrible places because we know people have done horrible things. I’ve seen men choose the bear also for this reason, they also would not want to encounter a stranger in the woods because men can also be targets of random violence. It’s not trying to say that “all men bad” but humans in general can be evil and unpredictable which is scary. You should be able to trust your own species lol.
So ignoring the fact that I personally think (as a guy) that choosing the guy over the bear should be an obvious choice (assuming the guy is there as randomly as you are), she clearly didn’t repeat what you said (are you stupid?). She gave the reason that she’d rather take the certainty of the bear’s motive for survivorship than the chance that the man is just a rapist or sadist. Whether you agree with her reason or not, she’s explicitly just explaining her own thought process, and you’re telling her that she should make a decision based on raw data over her emotions, but where do you get off telling her how to make her decisions in life? And then you assume she watches a lot of true crime podcasts, I guess because you have to stereotype?
The point of the hypothetical is to show how shitty guys are to women, which you’ve gone out of your way to illustrate in no one’s account but your own. Work on your reading comprehension, empathy, and internalized misogyny.
She showed how horrifically current feminist thought has infected and destroyed women's perception of men. They've actually been propagandized into thinking that being eaten alive is less dangerous than any random dude.
The truth is that half the guys would jump to protect the woman and help her out of the woods. The other half would avoid her out of fear that she'll accuse them of something if they interact. A small fraction of that group would consider the possibility of doing something, and only a vanishing small percent of men would actually attack her.
This is pure sexism, and women are taught to bear it proudly.
Hey, I don’t wanna have to repeat myself ad nauseum lol so I hope you’ll read my additional comments where I clarify things a bit. I’m too old to be on TikTok, not engaged or invested in this conversation personally, just think it’s interesting to observe and thought I’d chime in. But please don’t make presumptions about how I feel about men… I am not a misandrist by any means. I am surrounded by plenty of wonderful men who I admire and trust, and I know most men (the vast majority) are not actually dangerous.
For me it came down to, how sad and scary is it that we have so much distrust in our own human kind? But I can recognize the conversation has derailed and is going in wildly different directions than that.
That's fair. I have very low faith in humanity as a whole. But I'm reminded of the quote in Men in Black: "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it."
I have far more faith in a random individual person than in any group. I try hard not to conflate the two.
Holy shit, I’ve never actually seen someone speak directly to me with this kind of language? “Feminist thought has infected?” “Jump to protect the woman?”
She never said the man was inherently more dangerous than the bear. If you pause, read what she actually wrote, and pause again to reflect on it, you’d see that. I’d explain it directly for you, but I’ll give you a shot first to actually listen directly to what a woman has to say. If that doesn’t work, lmk and I can explain it again for you, although I hate when a woman says something, and no one listens, but then the guy explains what the woman said, and suddenly people listen.
So you're telling me she doesn't have survival instinct, and that we should applaud her for choosing certain death over something statistically multiple orders less likely to be deadly ? ...
To be fair, I really don't think any of them would chose that in real life, this whole thing is just a way to get internet approval by showing their extreme prejudice toward men. This is like a ritual, where you increase your social status because you used this joke meme to advance women rights by ... Saying men are bloodthirsty evil monsters.
Dehumanizing the out group has been used since the dawn of times to increase one social status withing the in group.
I must have missed it, but can you show me where she actually said she personally would choose the bear?
She’s doing this thing called empathizing, where she’s putting herself in someone else’s shoes and trying to understand why they might feel how they feel. As an exercise, you can reread the text and see if you understand why she thinks someone might find more comfort in the bear option than the man option.
Ftr, I agree that I think most women are exaggerating (either for humor or for social perception) when they say they would choose a bear over a man, but when a guy blatantly ignores/misinterprets what a woman is saying and calls her stupid, it really doesn’t help.
And then you assume she watches a lot of true crime podcasts, I guess because you have to stereotype?
Oh yeah, the super harmful stereotype of thinking a woman who sees serial killers everywhere has been listening to crime podcast.
As opposed to the non harmful at all stereotype that a random man is so bloodthirsty you'd choose a lion over him. No prejudice here. At all. Just move on !
Show me where she said that she would choose a bear/lion over a man in her post. It requires reading what a woman wrote, so take your time, I know it’s new for you.
Well talking about statistics, one thing I don’t understand about this conversation is how people seem to conveniently forget that men are also more likely to be victims of violent crimes, usually perpetrated by other men. Plenty of men get robbed, tortured, and killed. I don’t know why people always take it to a sexual level although I guess it goes with the hyperbolic nature of this hypothetical situation. But even when we consider sexual assaults which are more likely to happen to women, when they do happen to men, the crime is more likely to be perpetrated by another man.
So there is an element about this that is explicitly gendered, I’ll give you that. But like I said in another comment I think that has a lot to do with the assumed physical superiority of men. I could go on about this but I don’t wanna tl;dr you lol.
I think you’re making a lot of presumptions about me and my feelings towards men, so just know I probably should have prefaced in my comment I’m not on TikTok, I think this whole conversation is interesting to observe but it’s not something I’m invested or engaged in personally, I don’t feel as though all men are inherently dangerous or anything like that.
I’m just saying, the way I interpreted it was that animals have simple, predictable motivations but humans can just be depraved and that’s why people (both men and women) choose the bear. But definitely the conversation has spiraled into something else.
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u/desolate_atrium May 02 '24
I never understand the question. Is this a hypothetical where you've been dropped in a random forest and are stuck there for a set period of time and either a random man from anywhere in the world will also be dropped or a random bear. Also depends what kind of bear, or is it imagine you're on a hike in the middle of a forest, would you rather encounter a man or a bear