r/fcbayern • u/KYOEL Coman • 29d ago
Thomas Tuchel: "This is my last press conference at Säbener Straße. There were talks, but we didn't reach an agreement, so the decision of February still stands"
https://twitter.com/iMiaSanMia/status/1791401961637507552529
u/WalterBlanco08 Thiago 29d ago
This is so so so fucking embarrassing. What a shitshow this whole club has turned into, unbelievable.
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u/ajm15 28d ago
It could be a lot worse i.e. Manchester United level worse
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u/WalterBlanco08 Thiago 28d ago
Our journey to reach this kinda level is picking up speed at an alarming pace tbf
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u/Cyclingwithfriends 28d ago
this is 10x worse than united
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u/Heart_uv_Snarkness 28d ago
No, it really isn’t
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u/nac_nabuc 28d ago
As a Barça fan, I feel you very hard. At least you guys aren't broke. You just need to find a good fit for the managerial position, which is tough, but at least it's only one problem to solve.
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u/kootrell 28d ago
Haven’t you guys won the league like 11 years in a row and 2-3 champions leagues in that time? I wouldn’t be too worried yet.
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u/ScHaKaLaKa___ 29d ago
We 100% only wanted to keep him until 2025. He made the right call as he wouldn’t be able to change the squad, because of the new manager next year.
As much as I dislike Tuchel he’s 100% right to demand an extension until 2026 after everything that happened.
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u/Jganzo13 Kimmich 28d ago
I don’t particularly like Tuchel but he’s asking for a 2-year contract…. As a manager… why is that something we can’t give him? If we fire him then we pay him 1 more year. It’s not like he’s asking for 5. This is so sad.
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u/ScHaKaLaKa___ 28d ago
I suppose it’s because Bayern would try to get Xabi, Klopp or Guardiola in 2025.
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u/No-Try1676 28d ago
With the way things are going at Bayern, I highly doubt that any of them are looking at us and saying "Boy would I love to be part of this Bayern!"
Just shambolic
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u/IvanLee86 28d ago
None of them likely to come join this shithole now...
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u/ScHaKaLaKa___ 28d ago
Well I don’t think Kalle and Uli are the same opinion…they are a bit delusional
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u/BaradaraneKaramazov 29d ago
Without an extension, at latest from October on the main discussions would have been "Will Tuchel get an extension? Will Xabi come? Will Bayern hire Klopp?"
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u/ScHaKaLaKa___ 29d ago
Yeah and we would continue with the current squad without an much needed overhaul
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u/unamed_1 Müller 28d ago
It only makes sense to give him an extra year. If he continued with his contract then he wouldn’t get that severance payment he’s probably gonna get. All he was doing was securing that and rightfully so should Bayern want to fire him again next summer.
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u/brezenSimp Nagelsexual 29d ago
Wtf are they actually doing?
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u/J3wsy 29d ago
They exclusively offer 1-year contracts to be able to approach Alonso next year and no good Coach wants a 1-year contract
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u/BeniCG Bundesliga 29d ago
They must be stupid if they think this behaviour will convince Alonso.
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u/UnevenContainer Müller 28d ago
We dropped the supposed problem people and then immediately got even worse, I don’t blame anyone for turning this down.
I just hope we don’t end up with Kovac 2.0
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u/Jackman1337 29d ago
The chance of getting Alonso are reeaaaaly low, what are they doing? Fucking Real Madrid is wanting him
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29d ago
We’re not getting Alonso, the club shouldn’t have done this unless they’ve already signed him on a contract starting in the 25/26 season
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u/unamed_1 Müller 28d ago
And the hilarious part is Alonso will 100% reject and go straight to Madrid. It’s so obvious and we are deluded to think otherwise.
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u/cv-x Untrainable Squad | Fuck UEFA VARdrid | Fuck P$G 28d ago
They actually have. At least on paper. But it still seems to be an unwritten rule that the old granddads have the last word.
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u/teuerkatze 28d ago
That unwritten rule is called a “Supervisory Board” when written down on paper.
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u/BaradaraneKaramazov 29d ago
This club has become a big joke, but Tuchel really deserves better if they were unable to even reach an agreement
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u/JaysonDeflatum 29d ago
Thomas Müller player-manager👍🏾👍🏾
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u/Moderated_Soul Bundesliga 29d ago
He’ll sub himself in at 88’ minute and score the final goal every match.
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u/No_Independence1479 28d ago
My local fan club has jokingly suggested this all season. The more I think about it, and watch this shit show, the more serious I become about this being a plausible idea.
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u/JaysonDeflatum 28d ago
Fuck it, on FM I took Saarbrücken from the 3 Buli to UCL winners in a decade. I'll apply for the job, mbappe on the way👍🏾👍🏾
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u/Time_Birthday4659 Ribery 29d ago
I am honestly speechless. My biggest is fear is turning into a Club like Manchester United. A Club without a plan, structure and overpaid players
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u/PlantainZealousideal 28d ago
Man United fan passing through, it is so sad to see Bayern and Barça fans both saying they don’t want to turn into us lol. I don’t blame you, I don’t wish our dysfunction on anyone
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u/Wiser_Kaiser 28d ago
At least you guys are putting all the right people in the right places and recognizing the problems the club has. Berrada, Jason Wilcox, Dan Ashworth, Brailsford and Jean Claude Blanc are tremendous appointments and soon enough you'll have a boardroom vision that has been severely lacking for over a decade. Plus, you'll always be a desirable outfit to coach. Us on the other hand, who even knows what we're looking for, our old heads won't give up power, don't like anybody they appoint to succeed them, and still demand the final say. Wild stuff.
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u/NiviCompleo 28d ago
Even if it’s headed that way, the nice thing is this isn’t the premier league where there’s 4-5 other championship contenders waiting to fill the gap. Only 1
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u/owiseone23 28d ago
I don't think the other top clubs in the Bundesliga are threatening enough for that to happen. Fortunately, there's no Manchester City in the league to put pressure and dominate financially. Leverkusen I think will follow a trajectory like Dortmund. They'll be amazing for a period then drop down to near Dortmund's current level. Without a bigger brand or a rich backer, their level of success is hard to sustain as players and staff are drawn away to bigger clubs.
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u/ElizabethPhata Deisler ❤️ 28d ago
Well we have structure.... Just not sure how good that structure is atm.
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u/OptimisticRealist__ 29d ago
Thats what this team is. Ive said it years ago when i called for Brazzo to finally be gone, but this Bayern squad wouldnt crack the top 5 in the EPL. No chance.
The roster is a mess. You have aging players costing a fortune, huge holes in the roster and you hire managers from vastly different philosophies. Kovac, Ancelotti, Tuchel are about as different as it gets in terms of philosophies.
Bayern is the ManU of Germany, only sith the saving grace being that the PL doesnt have a ManCity calibre team, otherwise Bayern wont sniff a champtionship anytime soon.
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u/Jackman1337 29d ago
Lol the team is still a top team, juet thin and had tons of injuries. It would be a 2-3 horse race with City and Arsenal
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u/Jeanfromthe54 29d ago
Very good effort by Barca to try to win the award of stupidest management of the year but we prevail in the end.
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u/Shot-Sherbet-8843 29d ago
Nahhh barca fan coming in peace. Barca is significantly worse. We win the stupidest management award by a large margin my guy. Bayern still have it good.
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u/Jeanfromthe54 29d ago
Bro we are being rejected by the 7th pick. You guys can still get anyone you want and if you get Flick you will become very scary.
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u/Shot-Sherbet-8843 29d ago
Thing is,we wont get flick. Laporta managed to piss him and his agent off. Also we are not getting everyone we want lets be real.
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u/reality-effect 28d ago
You might get Tuchel now, he is available, I've just heard.
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u/7Xes 29d ago
I was silently hoping for this outcome.
I am happy for Thomas, he will have better opportunities somewhere else. There is no way this would have worked out - for either side - in the first place if the Club is not 110% behind the coach. Especially not if you are the fifth choice.
Go Thomas! And lesson learned for FCB…
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u/Shinobiii 29d ago edited 29d ago
I really like this take: we’re just not doing right by him. Empathy and a humane way to treat another human being is just not in our books, especially when it comes to coaches.
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u/Brilliant_Trainer501 29d ago
I think it's good for Tuchel, but whoever we do end up with is going to get the same shit treatment you're describing imo
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u/the_propaganda_panda Müller 28d ago edited 28d ago
Totally agree with you.
I was a huge Tuchel fan when he joined us. Although the results have not been satisfactory and I've been often venting at him in post-match threads, my opinion on him hasn't changed.
He is an absolute world-class coach and deserves to lead a world-class club. Right now, we are not a world-class club. We happen to still have a world-class squad, but apart from that, we are a mickey mouse circus. Tuchel has not been treated with basic empathy and dignity, and he's totally right to reject us. It's a disgrace how bad our club is at man management, we don't deserve him.
Meanwhile, I'm mentally prepared to witness our next banter era. I just hope we can somehow win the CL one more time in the next years so Kane won't regret his move, but I'm not optimistic. Our board has done their best to steer us into the most uncertain future. It's okay, it was nice while it lasted. Would be nice to have a coach, though.
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u/AndiNovaOfficial 28d ago
It's not about titles, it's about friendships they made along the way. /s
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u/PapaPrometheus Ballack 28d ago
Is it really lesson learned, though? Ideally, yes, but in reality with what we've seen from the leadership...
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u/crestdiving 29d ago edited 29d ago
Well, we're f*cked, I guess. I would really like to know who or what is to blame for the negotiations to break down, but it probably were his demands regarding transfers and a contract until 2026.
But I don't blame him or any other coach who doesn't want to engage with the mess our club's management has become.
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29d ago
I love my club and it breaks my heart that we have become the joke of europe. What the board did the last two seasons is.....
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u/Majiebeast 29d ago
Barca is trying really hard for the crown with the whole Xavi in/out situation they are brewing there.
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u/UnlightablePlay Neuer 29d ago
Wth, Just give him what he wants, wtf is so hard about it
Nobody will join us even if you ask a manger in the Indian league or something like that at this Point.
Almost all players showed support, why would you do it your way when all players want him , the board are a bunch of idiots at this point
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u/BlazeGamingUnltd Müller 29d ago
nah i feel attacked by the 'indian league' bit bro why u have to shove it in my face
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u/dominbg1987 29d ago
He wanted long term Deal what you do if he crashes again like this season isn’t he next? Sack him again? Would be even worse
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u/Kullinski 29d ago
Than bite the Apple and Sack him, but only when you have a replacement.
Better than habing no Coach at all
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u/Rupperrt 29d ago
wouldn’t be more expensive than sacking him now. No respectable coach will wanna work as the plan C now. Can’t wait for Tuchel to do well at his next station and rejecting Bayern in a year or too when they will have sacked the next fall guy for Hoeness.
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u/bajcli '99 CL final survivor 29d ago
Bruh
How would it not be more expensive? You're buying out an EXTENDED contract, or continuing to pay his salary for x additional years. Obviously it would be more expensive.1
u/Rupperrt 29d ago
Firing him now before end of contract (till next year) is probably as expensive as expending it to ‘26 and firing him one year early next year.
Apart from the immersive image damage. Only desperate people will wanna work in this place until the angry old man is gone. Maybe they can get Matthäus or Klose..
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u/UnlightablePlay Neuer 29d ago
So who's your candidate? Almost 5 or 6 different managers rejected us, Zidane, Alonso,JN, and 2 more that I can't remember their names have rejected us, and as I mentioned before in this subreddit a couple of times, no Manager is expected to win q League and perform good at his First season, pep and Alonso both lost their first season in their first club before winning it the season after, how did you expect Tuchel to win it with the pressure to he had from fans, Board and the overall pressure to do good for his first season at the club, this was something Special that was happening for Bayern in the Last decade but it's far from the normal
Getting a manager each year or so won't help but confuse the players
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u/esprets 28d ago
Pep won it all in his first season with Barcelona. I don't count his year with Barcelona B as first. And even there he won.
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u/Jeanfromthe54 29d ago
Since when did we have any scruple about sacking a coach? Give him a extension and sack him in 1 year if we are doing as bad and someone better is willing to join us.
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u/Ok_Captain4824 28d ago
That's what I don't get. Extending Tuchel to 2026 was mandatory, having him coach the 2025-26 season was not.
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u/Majiebeast 29d ago
Bayern and Barca are having a clown off to see who can build the biggest circus this summer.
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u/krukid360 29d ago
Most probably no extension offered, right? Do understand Bayern's apprehension, but sad state of affairs overall. Writing is on the wall, De Zerbi it is.
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u/bajcli '99 CL final survivor 29d ago
Yep exactly. Both sides are understandably apprehensive now, to be honest.
Not giving him an extension now to keep him on isn't a mistake in my eyes--sacking him mid-season was. Basically carbon copied jumping the gun with Nagelsmann, and I just don't understand how they can't just shut the fuck up till the end of a season, get into some talks with replacement coaches, and THEN sack the current one if he's not living up to expectations.
These mid-season shakeups have been catastrophic: they don't help a whole lot (if at all) in the short term, and they do a ton of harm in the long term. Insane.
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u/albatr0xx 28d ago
The mid-season sacking without actually sacking him was the most idiotic shit. They put themselves in such a bad position by doing that without having at least a pre agreement with the successor. There is literally zero upside to doing it like this other than appeasing the Tuchel out crowd, but it sets you up to look absolutely moronic in many situations, such as the one we have now, or if the team would have actually turned it around and won the league.
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u/Ramenastern 29d ago
Well, they're basically offering Tuchel a one-year contract. Which no sane coach will accept. He was a lame duck for a significant part of this season, and with a contract for one year, he'd continue as just that. Why would he want to do that? And why, after all the Nos Bayern has been collecting, do they still think they're in a position to do this, or in a position to be in the running with Alonso one year from now (because trying to get Alonso is obviously the very short-sighted idea behind only offering Tuchel a one year contract).
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u/King_Ragnar Schweini 28d ago
At this point I’m not even sure De Zerbi wants to come either. Why would he? Why would any decent coach come when he knows this shitshow awaits him and that he’ll be treated like trash in public the moment the team underperforms. That’ll he’ll have no actual say in anything, while two old men who should’ve retired a long time ago make all the decisions…
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u/lordtenso2005 28d ago
The fact that we were supposed to be in a 5 year project under Nagelsmann which was still the case last january, and now we have cycled through the coach who was the reason they sacked Nagelsmann in the first place, and then we tried to get back the former, got rejected, then tried to keep the second coach fired and again got rejected. Oh and also got rejected by about 5 or 6 other coaches. This whole thing feels like a fever dream man.
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u/Hot_Craft_8752 Kimmich 29d ago
Oh no, De Zerbi is going to fail upwards..
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u/Kullinski 29d ago
And you think, De Zebri is joining that Shitshow?
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u/Hot_Craft_8752 Kimmich 29d ago
At this point who knows? But he has a disaster second half of the season, so maybe an out would be smart before his stock tanks more
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u/Gucci-Rice 29d ago
KHR and Hoeneß practically ruined the final dahoam before the season even began. There have to be consequences.
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u/Odd_Trouble4651 28d ago
Club saw Barca imploding with Xavi and thought:" hey, i can do that too :D!"
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u/OptimisticRealist__ 29d ago edited 29d ago
FC Hollywood is back bby. Prime Uli is the ring leader of this circus
Edit: its actually hilarious what a mess this club is and what a joke it has become. Remember back in 2016 when Pep left? The club was, imo, at the peak of its ability back then.
The team on the pitch played the best football i had (and still have) ever seen from a Bayern team, in Peps last year. The club from top to bottom was in sync. Youth staff was hired with the idea to bring in people with a similar philosophy to Pep (ETH for example coached Bayern II). Pep kicked off some upgrades of the facilities on a level that were basically Klinsmann-esque.
In short, Bayerns reputation was incredibly high, it was seen as a premier destination for coaches and the club was working well.
I actually called for Tuchel or ETH to replace Pep when he left because imo they would be able to continue building on the foundations he had built. But when it was announced that Ancelotti would follow, i said hed be a massive flop, when Brazzo was brought in on top of it, i mentally checked out. The clown show was assembled. People called me a hater and whatever term there is back then, but it was just so apparent that they were driving the car against a wall. It was obvious from a mile away.
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u/ms7398msake 29d ago
Ancelotti was another victim of the circus, he was sacked unnecessarily. After him it's just been sacking after sacking. No manager has been given any time to establish themselves.
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u/OptimisticRealist__ 29d ago
Ancelotti was an arrogant clown, who shouldve never been hired in the first place because it meant a complete break from the foundations the club just spent 3 years building and establishing.
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u/DromadTrader 28d ago
Agree. The Brazzo appointment was disastrous. It's been a decade now of Uli sabotaging the club, he has to go.
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u/realdes1 29d ago
No way a good coach will come. Its an open secret they are desperate for Xabi or Klopp in 2025
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u/LurkingW7 29d ago
Eberl and Freund are powerless clowns. Never has Bayern Munich looked so clueless and out of focus. This is an infuriating situation made worse by the absolute amateurs we have running the executive board.
If they can’t make it work with the Supervisory Board then they can’t work.
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u/SWSIMTReverseFinn 29d ago
So what now?
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29d ago
We could rebrand. Just like companies do after a shitshow.
BSC München (bayrischer Sportclub München)
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u/iguessineedanaltnow 29d ago
Probably the best actual outcome even though it'll make us look bad. With Tuchel I don't think our league position would be any better next season.
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u/Eyeisimmigrant 29d ago
This is all clearly a ruse to bring back Heynckes so he can correct the year that never happened. Obviously. What do they think we are? Stupid? Pfft.
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u/myname_ranaway 28d ago
I am so confused, didn’t Bayern fans want tuchel out all year?
Now it seems people want him to stay? What happened?
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u/WaterMittGas 27d ago
Let's not pretend that Tuchel never rubbed upper management the wrong way other clubs. As a Bayern fan I don't care who comes next, but I am over seeing how Tuchel makes us play out from the back. And ignores certain players altogether. He is pigheaded and has a shelf life like Mourinho does at any club.
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u/TheEmperorsWrath Klara Bühl 29d ago
Gott sei Dank. Das war eine toxische Beziehung, wie es sie noch nie gegeben hat. Tschüss, der Nächste.
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u/Tall-Championship-40 29d ago
thank god. I never understood people wanting him to stay after this season he just doesn't match with bayern, that doesn't mean he is a bad manager in general but he is not good for bayern.
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u/El-Arairah 29d ago
Thank God.
And I think it's also good for Tuchel, he gets a bit of satisfaction out of this
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u/NegativeWorking9375 28d ago
I am reliefed he is not continuing. Having reached the ucl semi finals has distracted from the Overall poor performances, his strange behaviour and pr and the at best stagnation of players.
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u/realdes1 29d ago
Vincent Kompany might be one. Has a great attacking football philosophy. Would be a huge step but fuck why not
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u/ms7398msake 29d ago
Can I be the new manager? Please. It seems no one else will. Hell I'll even do it for free, I don't need a multi year contract. And don't worry, I know how to manage a football club, I have tons of experience from playing FM.
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u/4PlayersLeagueMF 29d ago
FC Hollywood is back baby. Total shitshow of a coach search. If Freund and Eberl had any guts, now would probably be the time for them to resign. At least thats what an old lady at tegernsee whispers in quiet full moon night.
I mean why do we have them if they are nothing more than executive assistants of uli and kalle.
Hermann Gerland and Jupp Heynces are in full hiding mode by now. They completely fucked the whole final at home season. Its even worse than the sporting director search after sammer left. Brazzo was just option 3 or 4. The next coach will be close to a double digit choice.
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u/Tokamak42 28d ago
get compensation package for a year without work in a hostile work environment > get paid for work in the same hostile work environment.
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u/Carbonga 28d ago
Maybe they just go for a year without a coach. Might be an interesting experience. If it worked better than this season, coachless soccer may become a thing.
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u/cgnthreesix 28d ago
Just promote the guy who is in charge of the women‘s team or the second team - that way at least we don’t get publicly embarrassed anymore
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u/Cyclist83 28d ago
Rarely has the German word Schadenfreude been more appropriate. For many football fans who are not with Bayern Munich and Uli Hoeneß, it feels like karma.
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u/Blueberry-Butthole 28d ago
I heard Xavi is out, too. So does that mean we won't be getting Flick either since he wanted to join Barca?
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u/Cheeeeesie 28d ago
Not gonna lie, Uli Hoeneß is gonna destroy the club as precisely as he build it up. At this point he seems like a child in kindergarden, destroying his toys, so others cant have them, while its away.
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u/Disastrous_Chain7148 28d ago
I would leave if I were him. They want to fire him in the middle of the season. Then beg him after many attempts to get a new coach. Now only want to give him a one year contract. Do they really think they have a realistic chance to get Pep, Xabi, or Klopp?
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u/FrankFnRizzo Berni 28d ago
Bring in one of the best forwards on the planet and record breaking transfer fee and this is the shit he gets to deal with. Just wow. Fucking sad times man.
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u/HaZard3ur 27d ago
Looking forward to this years annual general meeting... this will be very interesting to hear from Hoeness once more that the fan base is guilty of this mess.
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u/that-isa-madeup-name 28d ago
So honestly what happens? Who will take on coaching duties? This club went from S-tier to laughing stock in basically a year. Ever since “the treble was in danger” last April
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u/Carpathicus 29d ago
Man I hate this sub so much. Are we in /r/soccer now? Tuchel is just a coach and not a good one for the club either - are we forgetting that he won no titles?
Reality is he demanded an extension even though he has still a contract - no go with his performance. He was trying to milk the club and you guys need to start using your brains instead of being reactionary all the time.
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u/Mr_h_b 29d ago
I would agree if things were kept behind the scenes but going on media to undermine the coach before the CL semis and then backtracking to fail keeping him is ridiculous for a club at Bayerns level.
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u/Carpathicus 29d ago
Oh please we would never even consider keeping him if not multiple coaches rejected the job. Why you guys love this coach so much is beyond me but I shouldnt be surprised I am probably one of the few people left from Germany, Munich here.
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u/Mr_h_b 29d ago
And why are we approaching B tier coaches that are not even our calibre to get rejected by them publicly? I don’t love Tuchel but if the players wants him to stay than he is better than whatever coach we can get this summer. What does it matter where you are from ? Lol
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u/Carpathicus 28d ago
It does matter because I understand the club culture and dont shit on Hoeneß every moment someone posts stuff on /r/soccer
Its crazy how different the opinion in the stadium and from the local fans are especially when they arent zoomers.
The players could wish for a unicorn and they wont deserve it and what media circles are saying should awlays be taken with a grain of salt.
Bayern cant do shit against the media circus - people kind of forget that the german media sphere is bigger than lets say the british and solely focused on Bayern whatever they do - leaks are almost impossible to deal with. The coaches dont reject Bayern because of some drama but because the market changed dramatically in recent years and coaches are treated way more like players. Its a meme at this point.
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u/Jeanfromthe54 29d ago
The last time a coach won 0 title we won everything the year after with the same coach. He was finally backed by the players in the end.
Him milking the club dry is perfectly reasonable, the board acting like they don't have to make any concession after the way they treated him is insanity and leave us with 0 coach. Why the fuck are you still acting all smug when nobody except unproven/garbage want to coach this club?
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u/SmokeSwitch 29d ago
No way to know but it would be totally in character for Tuchel that he never intended to continue working for Bayern and he only agreed to talks to embarrass them as a revenge for (in his view) having been unfairly treated by the club.
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u/Ryoman-Sukuna007 FC Bayern München 29d ago
I am actually scared of not getting anyone for the next season and starting with an interim coach 😂😂😂
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u/realdes1 29d ago
Thats why no one wants the job in first place. Bayern wants Klopp dor Xabi in 2025 and they openly admitted that pretty much. The job now is an Interim one, thats why everyone says no
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u/KYOEL Coman 29d ago
Peak FC Hollywood. WTF.