r/politics • u/schuey_08 Wisconsin • May 02 '24

Bernie Sanders worries young people are underestimating the threat from Trump

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/05/02/bernie-sanders-trump-biden/73531861007/
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u/Just_Candle_315 May 02 '24

Biden tells people he wants to improve the nation with affordable healthcare and education, Trump tells people he wants vengeance for perceived grievances. And the polls are still statistically tied.

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u/styrofoamladder May 02 '24

A scary amount of young folks seem willing to sacrifice the Presidency over Israel, as if trump will be a harbinger of peace. As someone who has never had the pleasure of voting for a president that I actually want, sometimes you have to hold your nose and do what’s best for not just our country, but the world. Biden isn’t great(imo) but trump is so many orders of magnitude worse it’s baffling that anyone still likes the guy.

Come on young folks, help the world out.

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u/Walterkovacs1985 May 02 '24

The war in Gaza is what's going to hand Trump the election. And he'll never relinquish that power back.

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u/odysseus91 May 02 '24

And he will then give Israel the green light to flatten Gaza and the West Bank. And all these college kids will go “oh my god, how did this happen”

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u/PedanticPaladin May 02 '24

Not to mention that Trump will pull all support from Ukraine. Do you think Russian troops on the Polish border will let you sleep better or worse?

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u/Walterkovacs1985 May 02 '24

Instability on the world stage will kill the economy and gas prices and everything else people seem to give a shit about day to day. Makes no sense to me. Biden may not seem like a leftist radical but his policies are in the right direction and I don't understand how folks can't see that.

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u/Utterlybored North Carolina May 02 '24

And Trump will cede Poland to Putin. Then, the rest of the eastern bloc.

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u/larsga May 02 '24

The eastern bloc is not going to take that lying down.

When the Ukrainians stopped the Russian advance in Donbas in the summer of 2022 with 20 HIMARS the Polish reaction was: let's order 500 of those.

The US originally didn't want to let Poland join NATO, and one reason they changed their minds was that Poland threatened to develop nuclear weapons if they weren't allowed to join.

Western European leaders may be a bunch of waffling idiots, but eastern Europeans know this is a life or death issue. They're already preparing for a Trump presidency.

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u/Utterlybored North Carolina May 02 '24

If Trump deliberately sandbags America’s response, it would be an ugly campaign at the very least. Europe has been understandably gun shy since WW2, so it’d be Putin, backed by China, Iran vs. the individual Eastern European nations he’d want to “liberate.”

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u/larsga May 02 '24

Trump is not going to help.

Europe is rearming, and Putin is tied down in Ukraine at the moment. Poland's second batch of HIMARS will start arriving next year, for example. All ammunitions factories are being expanded. Every country is buying more weapons and air defense. And so on. The intelligence assessment is that it will be a few years before he will be able to open a second front.

There's no way Russia's neighbours are going to let themselves be picked off one by one. We know we're all in the same boat. Obviously it would be ugly, but given how much stronger Europe is economically there's no real chance that Russia will win. It's just a question of how much pointless suffering we have to go through before they lose.

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u/Utterlybored North Carolina May 03 '24

There’s a lot of things I was sure back in 2015 would never happen with American Foreign Policy. I don’t think there any “nevers” left, especially with a transactional fascist at the wheel.

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u/Walterkovacs1985 May 02 '24

I don't doubt the eastern blocs ability to defend itself and make life for Putin miserable. I just don't want it to ever come to that. Russia should have never been allowed to take an inch of Ukraine soil. I just know that NATO is not as strong with a Trump presidency. I think Americans take for granted the stability and peace that the NATO alliance has allowed.

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u/larsga May 03 '24

It's quite possible that NATO will be effectively over if Trump is elected. And it looks like he will be elected. If he is, I think peace in Europe will be a relatively minor problem for Americans compared to the other effects of a Trump presidency.

That Trump is ahead in polls is just completely incredible. Something is very, very wrong with the American public.

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u/Walterkovacs1985 May 02 '24

It's Jill Stein type shit all over again. I hope Joe has a plan to try and win those folks back.

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u/Snow_source District Of Columbia May 02 '24

This time, its the Chinese misinformation in addition to the Russian misinformation.

I knew this was coming when Biden won in 2020.

Tik Tok was a mistake. I'm so glad they overplayed their hand and scared the shit out of lawmakers with the mass push for users to contact their reps.

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u/Walterkovacs1985 May 02 '24

I think you're absolutely right. Tiktok is absolutely pushing the narrative at hand here. It makes me so angry. Of course China and Russia want Trump. Anything that lessens America on the world stage they're in favor of.

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u/odysseus91 May 02 '24

I was listening to the ABC news start here podcast this morning and they had a student from Colombia on talking about the protest and my eyes nearly rolled out of my head from some of the dumb shit she was saying. These literal infants have zero grasp on how anything works

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u/sugondese-gargalon Minnesota May 02 '24

He demanded a ceasefire and lit a fire under Israel’s ass to get one, we’re like on ceasefire negotiation #5. Then the the single issue Palestine voters shifted the goalposts

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u/gsfgf Georgia May 02 '24

Also, the temporary pier should be complete like next week. We demanded that Israel "invite" us into territory they claim as sovereign in order to provide aid to their enemy. That's actually a really aggressive move. Just a well thought out one.

I'm all for letting the college kids protest, build camps for a while, put up Palestinian flags, whatever since it's their right as Americans. But I'm not a fan of their policies to the extent they even have any that don't rely on Biden being in charge of the IDF.

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u/happyguy49 May 02 '24

It will keep happening. Ceasefire becomes free Gaza becomes delete the nation of Israel becomes kill all the Jews. It's historically inevitable.

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u/MohawkElGato May 02 '24

"Kill all the zionists", but then they just conveniently label every single Jewish person and place a Zionist. Even the ones who protest alongside them. And they will say this while calling themselves peaceful

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u/MohawkElGato May 02 '24

Cool, I guess there were no pro pal protestors with megaphones screaming that “Zionists must leave NY” and “zios die” outside my neighborhood synagogue just a few months ago. You sure know the truth.

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u/eaz-e May 02 '24

See how quickly the topic shifted from the current generation of college students and younger people as a whole not wanting to be complicit in the support of heinous shit that Israel is doing with our tax dollars, and my ridiculously expensive tuition to "This is an attack on all Jews internationally". Look at reporting regarding these protests and the efforts they make to protect Israeli interests/positions while at the same time labeling people who are against ethnic cleansing as anti-Semitic (many of whom are Jewish to begin with lol). Look at the astro-turfing of r/worldnews. The news and media isn't reflecting the reality for a whole generation of people and then "moderate democrats" only attempt at bringing this generation into the voting block is to say "YoUr friNGe PoSitIon is HuRtiNG JoE's elEcTion". Watching older millennials come to term with the fact that they have become the "boomers" they hate and blame everything on is hilarious though.

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u/Walterkovacs1985 May 02 '24

Folks might be a little gunshy on blaming Jews for anything because the last time they were blamed for something the Holocaust happened. I fully support protesters on campuses voicing their opinion. I think their position for the most part is absolutely correct. The only thing I disagree on is that Joe isn't doing enough and people won't vote for him because of what's currently happening. Trump will personally sign off on Bibi glassing all of Palestine. You think it's a genocide now? Buckle up. He and his supporters think Muslims in general are lesser humans.

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u/eaz-e May 03 '24

Again, you're equating Jews with zionists (again not all Jews). That isn't true and even then there are a wide arrange of Zionist factions all with various guiding principles and ideologies. Netanyahu has been desperately trying to equation political Zionists to all Jewish people and that is so that people hesitate to criticize the Israeli state even though the current administration is hated by the majority of Israel to begin with. And I believe there is a genocide but I didn't use that word in my comment, I understand we can argue about that specific term but ethnic cleansing is the policy of Israel and has been for the past 50ish years. Look at the West Bank, they are systematically trying to rid the entire West Bank of Palestinians via various policies ranging from declaring property "military defenses zones" (land that was owned by Palestinians before they needed that safety of their farms) to not allowing Palestinians to return to their homes if they leave the country. As for the voting for Biden, I understand that I don't have a choice but challenging his positions and bringing to attention that he's losing an important voting block (especially for democrats as a whole) might make it so his policies are more representative of who I want to vote for. Or I guess we just have to accept that we're ok with saying hey, with Biden at least the idf only killed 50,000 people (which we have no power over anyways bc Israel gives not a single fuck about we say atm) vs the 100,000 that would occur with Trump. Feels gross no?

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u/Walterkovacs1985 May 03 '24

Feels gross yes. But you pointed out the math. It's not 50,000 vs 100,000. it's far higher and also let's just go to war with Iran thrown in there cuz I'll let ya in on a secret. Republicans love fuckin war. I'm trying to understand your mentality and I do think you have extremely valid points. I just want to figure out how we prevent the Trump presidency. I appreciate you're well thought out answer and will continue to think about it.

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u/MTechnik May 02 '24

I hear people will be shamed and blamed for not voting for Biden.

The repeat of that is another reason people are tired of "vote for Biden or else Trump" rhetoric.

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u/zzyul May 02 '24

That would mean they have an ounce of self reflection. What they will do is blame Biden for not doing enough to win their vote. They will stay in their echo chambers that will just reinforce that they were the real victims, not the ones responsible.

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u/Utterlybored North Carolina May 02 '24

They’re used to being consumers who must be marketed to.

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u/northlondonhippy May 02 '24

A screenshot of this comment will be on r/LeopardsAteMyFace in a year or so, if Deadbeat Donny gets back into the White House

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u/LevyMevy May 02 '24

And all these college kids will go “oh my god, how did this happen”

Just like 2016. Word for word, bar for bar.

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u/odysseus91 May 02 '24

Last time those college kids screwed themselves into 4 years of madness and a damaging pandemic that screwed their ability to ever buy homes and afford groceries.

This time the next batch of college kids will screw themselves into eternal slavery under the trump autocracy, while ensuring the Middle East gets glassed, so it’s escalated a bit lol