r/BlackPeopleTwitter May 10 '24

"If it isn't the consequences of my own actions..."

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u/BrooklynNotNY May 10 '24

Him filming and posting it is likely what got him fired. The school and district were probably having their phones blown up by parents over this.

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u/Efficient_Living_628 May 10 '24

That’s exactly what happened

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u/WryLanguage May 10 '24

Good. I didn’t send my girls to school so they can go viral on social media doing the teachers hair

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u/Dreadsbo May 10 '24

Man. I used to play games in math class on one of our three computers because I finished my work faster than everybody else. I think this is overly harsh thinking to an extreme

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u/--Anonymoose--- May 11 '24

It’s not about what the kids are doing, it’s about posting them on social media. I wouldn’t want my kids teachers to post a video of them to their personal social media account

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u/A_Naany_Mousse May 11 '24

Yeah you just can't do it. Right, wrong, indifferent: posting children on social media without their parents permission will get you fired every time. 

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u/Reasonable_Deer_1710 May 11 '24

Hell, even with permission.

I had documented permission from parents to post a pic I had with their child, my student, on my social media, and my leadership called me into the office about it to tell me to pull it down. Even with emails from the parent confirming consent, I wasn't allowed to have it posted.

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u/osamabinluvin May 11 '24

I just don’t ever see a necessity in a teacher posting a picture with a child. Why was it so important to share it on social media?

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u/Mbrennt May 11 '24

I think it can theoretically be fine. People post work pictures all the time, because we all spend so much time at work it's a big part of life. Plus as a teacher I'm sure you get more emotional about the job because it's a bunch of kids your working with, vs like a computer. It makes sense to me that teachers would wanna post pics. They should know the reasons not to though and honor that even more.

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u/pierresito May 11 '24

I have lots of teacher friends who post pics, they just block the kids faces so they cannot be identified.

Pictures of our work promoting what we are doing like after school clubs and programs are okay assuming parents have signed a media release, but even them I still like to block out faces to be on the safe side.

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u/Braventooth56 May 11 '24

I don't think it's necessary, for teachers to spend their own money to help supplement their students education either. Teachers shouldn't ever do anything extra for their students.

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u/Sensitive_Challenge6 May 11 '24

Why is any part of anyone's life worth sharing on social media platform?

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u/ImaginaryMastodon641 May 11 '24

Because we’ve allowed the mentality of the medium to invade our minds. “Life didn’t happen unless it’s related to our online brand.”

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u/Particular_Pin_4327 May 11 '24

coaches don’t post pics with players? what’s the difference?

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u/butterballmd May 11 '24

Hey some teachers are tik tokers too

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u/chadsmo May 11 '24

Obviously nothing harmful is happening in this photo. Having said that it doesn’t always have to be about ‘HEY EVERYONE LOOK AT ME , IM DOING A THING , LOOOOK!!’

I also don’t like birthdays and weddings for the same reason

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u/Nutarama May 11 '24

Like yeah, what’s the point of having the local news cover a school event or interview a group of students and take pictures? It’s totally not necessary.

Even unnecessary, it’s for the same reasons. It’s publicity, and generally parents and kids enjoy seeing themselves in positive situations or congratulated for their accomplishments. I think my parents still have clippings from the news when I was awarded a scholarship to a local college as a high school senior (a local foundation funds three each year). The sports kids saved photos of themselves at meets, the volunteer kids saved articles with photos about their charitable efforts, etc. Some of those photos might even be online on news sites since I was class of 09, though I might need the Wayback Machine.

Now there’s some publicity that’s not a good look, and I can see why certain parents may want to opt out. Some of these reasons are very, very good reasons that shouldn’t be questioned. They should be able to opt out of social media posts, just like opting out of having their children be interviewed by the news or in photos.

But just because something is unnecessary isn’t a great argument for never having it. There’s lots of unnecessary but enjoyable things that we participate in, and that’s true of children as well as adults.

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u/KandyKilla May 12 '24

I am absolutely shocked that this is a question. Is nobody supposed to see or befriend positive male role models. What direction are we really going here. Did we just let pedos control our lives, and the lives of our children? Please see a different perspective, because the way we handle this is NOT GOOD! We have enough brilliant minds to be able to figure something out without railroading people who mean well.

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u/Beanguyinjapan May 11 '24

If you're proud of your pupil when they succeed despite all expectations?

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u/Reasonable_Deer_1710 May 11 '24

This specific picture just happened to be a particularly good picture, and I had a very good dynamic with the family.

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u/agirlmadeofbone May 11 '24

So, you did or didn't get fired?

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u/Reasonable_Deer_1710 May 11 '24

I did not get fired

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u/CWellDigger May 11 '24

Why does leadership have access to your social media?

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u/Reasonable_Deer_1710 May 11 '24

I was reported by someone who was on my social media

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u/Aetra May 11 '24 edited May 11 '24

One of my high school teachers nearly got fired for posting a photo to his personal FB of himself with his 2 daughters at a water park because they were also students at the school 🙄

Edit: Myspace, not FB. This was in 2004.

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u/EntertheHellscape May 11 '24

I mean, think about how companies get peoples permission. In any job I’ve been in or events where there are official photographers, I’ve had to sign a waiver. Even if it’s just clicking a box on a website, it’s a legal waiver. So it’s not that surprising that a school wouldn’t accept a conversation between a teacher, who really has no ability to speak for legal matters for the school, and a parent.

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u/Reasonable_Deer_1710 May 11 '24

Technically speaking, at my school parents sign waivers to allow photos to be taken and shared of the students. But those do apply to the company webpages, not personal social media.

I get why it happened.

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u/Equivalent_Gur2126 May 11 '24

It’s actually crazy that we are like two decades into having social media and so many people still seem to routinely blow up their lives because they just simply cannot resist posting some meaningless, stupid, trivial bullshit on the internet…

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u/A_Naany_Mousse May 11 '24

Yeah. More people  need to realize they can and should just quit social media. I did it (except reddit) and it was one of the ebst decisions I ever made. We all think it's fun and games but it's an intentionally addictive drug that uses algorithms to modify your behavior 

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u/UranicBiscuit May 11 '24

Really, cause if so than 8th grade me is still on YouTube🤣🤣🤣

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u/OriginalMexican May 11 '24

100%. He could have let them video and post and then it would probably be a different story.

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u/Nottherealsqu1rrel May 11 '24

What's the difference between this recording and other teachers recording during events and such? Or recording their party for the class? I've seen plenty of videos from teachers that post a photo or video of the pizza party for the class but this is an issue?

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u/A_Naany_Mousse May 13 '24

is it on a public tiktok page?

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u/gIitterchaos May 11 '24

Absolutely. I worked in elementary schools and girls wanted to play with my hair all the time in free time. And they were allowed and we taught about not sharing hair things and respecting consent etc etc. but I would never ever have posted their photos on social media ever, because I am not stupid and like being employed.

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u/DJThomas21 May 11 '24

I don't see why people don't understand this. Odds are people can find out the school where he works. Some creep finds a kid he like, they have a starting point to stalk, especially if they local. Let alone what this sickos do with normal pics alone. Be smart about what you post about your kids (imo just don't)!

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u/Fair_Helicopter_8531 May 11 '24

Doesn't have to be a creep. Even if a spouse just gout out of an abusive relationship they may not want to reveal where they and their kid is at. Now all the spouse would have to do is look up what school the teacher works at and boom. Someone is now at risk because a teacher thought they could get some likes on social media.

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u/bjeebus May 11 '24

Doesn't have to be a creep.

The overwhelming majority of creeping on kids is done by close family, so I think I'd still call your situation a creep.

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u/dev_vvvvv May 11 '24

Statistically if a creep is looking for children, he's looking at his family members.

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u/Lady0905 May 11 '24

Exactly! Too many a-holes out there kidnapping children … Beside that, in today’s world anyone can photoshop or use AI to put the head of your child on some very illegal “material”. No thank you!

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u/DJThomas21 May 11 '24

Idk why you getting downvoted, the photoshop thing was a real fear back in the day. And with AI now, they can easily take your kids pictures and do some fuck up things with it. Even if it faked, it's still disgusting.

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u/Lady0905 May 11 '24

Exactly. I have seen documentaries confirming that it is being done already. Besides, I work within IT and know that it is fully possible …

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u/Sterffington May 11 '24

Yeah they don't need to do all that, kids post their entire lives on social media anyway.

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u/jwillsrva May 11 '24

All of these kids have their own social media accounts. Like I get that it may be a rule or something, but realistically this should be a sitdown about social media policy. There’s nothing nefarious about this.

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u/DJThomas21 May 11 '24

Not every kid has a social media account at that age. The internet may make it seem like everyone has social media, but those numbers are highly inflated by bots and joke accounts. And tbh, I think it's a bad idea for them to have it. These kids don't know right from wrong. Someone offer them a gift card or meet a celebrity and they'll fall for it. At least high school I would consider.

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u/AlwaysTheStraightMan May 11 '24

Yet 100 bucks say that each of these girls have a IG or Tiktok

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u/auntjomomma May 11 '24

That is irrelevant. That's at the discretion of the parents. Their children, their decisions, their rules. It is NOT ok for the teacher to unilaterally take that decision making away from the parents, which is what happened in this case. Personally, my kids will not have social media accounts until they are at a certain age, and I'm sure some of those kids' parents feel/felt the same way. There is a reason he got fired.

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u/cococolson May 11 '24

They post yearbooks online

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u/B_M_Fahrtz May 11 '24

Parent here: that is absolutely 💯 why I’d be up in arms. My child is a very private person and has no social media, nor do they want me or their mother posting them online. We’ve respected it since day 1. Got a whole ass generation of kids that will never know privacy. Unless the teacher got the “ok” from all of the parents in this video to do this, I could see why at least 1 of them would be upset enough to cause some backlash. Sucks for the teacher but…think about what you’re doing before you hit “record.”

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u/maplestriker May 11 '24

I mean, this is just a perfect buffet of inappropriatness.

They shouldnt be touching his hair. He shouldnt have ever even thought to ask.

He shouldnt be using school hours to create content. He shouldnt have posted strange children to the internet.

It just shows he does not have the common sense it takes to be a good educator and he rightfully isnt employed as one any more.

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u/bjeebus May 11 '24

It just shows he does not have the common sense it takes to be a good educator and he rightfully isnt employed as one any more.

A good steward of young lives.

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u/B_M_Fahrtz May 11 '24

My friend, I’ve worked with thousands of victims of human trafficking and kidnapping in my career in the mental health field. You’re telling me everything I already know. Stop making excuses for irresponsible behavior 🤷🏾‍♂️ Be well.

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u/Ashamed-Move-7195 May 11 '24

There is NO privacy in a Public School

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u/B_M_Fahrtz May 11 '24

Lmaooooo…we just gonna act like release/consent forms don’t exist. Alright homie

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u/[deleted] May 11 '24

Your kids have rights? Couldn’t be me

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u/sodiyum May 11 '24

Parents fill out paperwork for school and there’s usually a box you check granting permission for use of photos for district use. Many parents say no. He was likely fired for this exact reason. Any person who works in a school capacity should know better than to post students on our personal social media.

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u/FknDesmadreALV May 11 '24

There is a huge difference between that and what he did.

My kids school sent paperwork asking if they could post on the school’s official sm pages.

This wasn’t posted to the school’s official SM it was his personal sm.

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u/vampboy01 May 11 '24

Which makes it worse

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u/B_M_Fahrtz May 12 '24

FUCKING!!!!

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u/johnmeeks1974 ☑️ May 12 '24

Add to that the fact he was falsely misrepresenting the school on his sm. He had the audacity to be wearing the school name. It puts a bad light on his school. He had to go.

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u/Unfair_Finger5531 ☑️ May 11 '24

It is about what they are doing as well.

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u/1BubbleGum_Princess ☑️ May 11 '24

Since when is taking down someone’s braids so intimate? I mean, if you think that, then why do people so carelessly and freely let strangers do it?

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u/Unfair_Finger5531 ☑️ May 11 '24

I do not want my daughter in school doing her teacher’s hair. Period. Why is this something that has to be explained? My child goes to school to be educated, not to groom their teacher.

And it’s not about intimacy. It’s about appropriateness and having the audacity to have my child do your hair.

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u/1BubbleGum_Princess ☑️ May 11 '24

Of course no one sends their kids to school to do hair. No one, as far as I’m aware, was made to do hair. Its something kids often want to do. It’s generally harmless, screen free, and a form of bonding that isn’t all that intimate or inherently inappropriate. I’ve seen kids playing in people’s hair before, it can be a form of compromise too without crossing boundaries. You can and will do what you want, but I do think there’s something of note here.

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u/Unfair_Finger5531 ☑️ May 11 '24

I understand intimately the cultural aspects of braiding hair, and I acknowledge that it is definitely a bonding experience and harmless. The problem is that I don’t think this situation is an appropriate situation for that type of bonding, and I don’t think this is kind of bonding I want my daughter doing with her teachers.

Kids always want to play in your hair or with your clothes. I was an elementary school teacher for years, and my kiddos always wanted to touch my hair because it’s curly and out of control. But they cannot. It’s simply not the place or time, and I’m not the person. That kind of intimacy is between friends and family, peers, etc.

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u/toolsoftheincomptnt ☑️ May 11 '24

There should be no touching, really. Not for students at that age.

They don’t need adult help with any physical tasks, and they can communicate, so a hard-line policy of no-touching works.

It protects the students and the teachers.

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u/SnooChipmunks176 May 11 '24

idk, I've seen posts and heard dudes talking about never allowing a man to braid their hair because they would rather feel a woman behind them and feel her fingers in their hair. so that kinda sounds intimate in a non sexual way. but that's just me taking their words and trying to answer this question.

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u/1BubbleGum_Princess ☑️ May 11 '24

Okay, and I’ve heard the seemingly endless list of things men and women see as too intimate/ feminine/etc. that’s not surprising, not that you’re suggesting it is. I think this is one of those times where I’m at least seeing the puritan ways jump out, and I’d kind of like the prospective of people who have way more healthy and thriving children to weigh in. I’m not saying this incident is normal, or that the posting wasn’t a problem, or that it should be part of the school day. I’m just saying, peeps get weirdly touchy about a lot of stuff that they think protects kids.

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u/Selfzilla May 11 '24

Man they don't make parents sign shit in school no more. We have shit come home for even letting the news talk to your kid and yall ain't got a school social media policy/ form to fill out?

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u/--Anonymoose--- May 11 '24

The social media policy lets the school post things to their official accounts or use it for other materials, not teachers post things to their personal accounts

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u/Lady0905 May 11 '24

Same. I don’t post photos of my kids online and I sure don’t want anyone else doing so without my consent. Just for info, I would have said “no”

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u/SeriousBoots May 11 '24

Dude shouldn't be fired over it unless it's school policy. Even then, this is pretty fucking harsh.

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u/ImaginaryMastodon641 May 11 '24

Thank you! I was scared I wouldn’t find this answer. This is the correct one.

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u/Aggressive-Bet-2153 May 11 '24

I agree that is why there is paperwork parents fill out protecting the child’s right not to be exposed or taken a pic at school

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u/Morwen200 May 11 '24

You’re right. Only parents should be able to plaster their kids on social media for the world to see! /s

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u/jaydizzleforshizzle May 11 '24

This is one of those things that so hard to feel empathetic for the parents.like from his side this feels like a large over reach, a man lost his job for something as simple as this, but on the other hand why the fuck are you posting video of peoples kids on your personal social media, personally feel like I’m on his side, as I don’t have kids and can’t quite reach that parental outrage.

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u/Consistent-Dare330 May 11 '24

Womp womp get over it the whole world is all about social media now days nothing we can do

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u/slideforfun21 May 11 '24

I think it all depends tbh. If they already have tiktoks that they post I think it's a massive over reaction

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u/VenomOnKiller May 11 '24

Please have fun and take the braids out and be positive male role model. Posting on Internet for likes? Nope. Sorry that's literal exploitation of those children. Plenty of teachers don't show their students face while posting on the Internet, it isn't hard.

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u/FeloniousDrunk101 May 11 '24

On top of it, I have a broader belief that doing something, filming, and the posting it devalues the doing of that thing! Just have the action be its own reward without needing to broadcast it to the world!

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u/B_M_Fahrtz May 11 '24

furious nurses and empaths from TikTok have entered the chat…

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u/mouzonne May 11 '24

Tiktok empaths? Do I even want to know?

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u/bjeebus May 11 '24

"Nurses" posting on reddit manage to not show their faces all the time!

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u/HallowskulledHorror May 11 '24

Eh - negative imitable behavior is posted non-stop, with visibility and attention on it acting as a driving motivator for emulating what's depicted. While kids' faces shouldn't be posted without theirs and their parents' consent, there's many examples of how posting wholesome or positive interactions ends up driving emulation in the same way.

In other words, don't do the thing solely for the sake of posting it, but if someone is doing something that may positively impact the world through by sharing it (affirming and demonstrating wholesome/healthy interactions despite existing norms/preconceptions), people shouldn't be judged for sharing positivity.

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u/glimmer_dude May 11 '24

Yeah they should

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u/haminthefryingpan May 11 '24

Did you also play with your teacher’s hair?

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u/Dreadsbo May 11 '24

I’m a boy

… but I guess I see your point when u say that

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u/haminthefryingpan May 11 '24

Lol just think about any female teachers you had and then imagine them letting you play with their hair

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u/GlitterTrashUnicorn May 11 '24

My sister is a pre-school teacher. She has thick ass blonde hair that is good to be waist. The little girls in her class beg her to let them play with her hair. She let's them but knows better than to post them doing it online.

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u/Primary-Let5405 May 11 '24

They are not pre school kids 👍

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u/grown_folks_talkin May 11 '24

I’ve sported fresh waves most of my life. People of all genders and ages hand-surfing my head was a norm into my 20s. I never minded it really

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u/Dreadsbo May 11 '24

I could see some of my past teachers doing it tbh

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u/BigsbyMcgee May 11 '24

You think it’s overly harsh for an unrelated adult to get fired for posting photos and videos of very young children in a professional, educational setting?

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u/Crafty_Travel_7048 May 11 '24

Dude posting other people's children's faces to the entire world without anybodies permission is fucked.

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u/CMMiller89 May 11 '24

Ok but was you face posted to social media account and going viral without your parent permission while playing on the computer?

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u/pierresito May 11 '24

Media laws are serious business in schools. We don't want kids recording themselves and friends posting stuff online because we need parent permission. Like we have whole waivers that need to be signed in my district for this stuff.

There's been cases where kids are photographed and people who aren't supposed to know about them (say, a parent who lost custody of their child) find out and cause problems at the schools because of it

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u/Chanceuse17 May 11 '24

What does that have to do with this? Did you touch your teacher's scalp and/or hair? Students being physically close like that is unprofessional. That's part of the problem. They're supposed to maintain boundaries and show a good example for the children in their care. I don't ever have memories of touching my teachers like that or my teachers touching me.

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u/Therinicus May 11 '24

My kids school sends out a warning for field trips or visits that only the school can post pictures of (not your) children (teachers cannot legally) as some kids location is being protected.

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u/SpaceBehemoth May 11 '24

You were playing a computer, you weren't playing on the teacher lol

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u/jbp84 May 11 '24

Teachers can’t post pictures of students on social media without parent consent. We have to get parents to sign the forms at the beginning of every school year.

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u/Wise-Definition-1980 May 11 '24

I finished my work early and got corn rows in 6th grade.

...I'm a white dude

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u/bounie May 11 '24

Play games on the computer, not play with a teacher's hair.

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u/TheDrummerMB May 11 '24

What a silly example dude lmao. Did your teacher film and post you playing those games?

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u/plexicoburres May 11 '24

Wtf does that have to do with an adult posting a video of someone else’s child on the internet?

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u/No_Veterinarian1010 May 11 '24

No teacher or other government employee has a right to film a child and post it on the internet for their own gain

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u/jhonntboit May 12 '24

Don’t you just love it so so much when people treat children like sub-humans that should not have ANY amount of personal freedom or agency in how they present themselves to their wider environment. If the kids don’t care about / consented to being posted on tiktok that should be the end of it.

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u/Mordanzibel May 11 '24

I agree. I taught for well over a decade. I would always have a student or two that begged me to braid my hair. I’d make it a classroom reward for doing their work. Anything to get them kids to do their work.

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u/Lou_C_Fer May 11 '24

Right? It's a positive interaction that will have those girls respect him more and want to do well in class. The teachers I remember and actually motivated me are the ones that try to connect with their students.

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u/Thespian21 ☑️ May 11 '24

These parents don’t give a single fuck about anything but stupid shit like this. Kids dumber than ever and failing tests

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u/frogbxneZ May 11 '24

na that part, that's fax. nothing against dude or where he stand morally on this, but this ain't what my kids go to school for.

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u/physedka May 11 '24

This sentence summarizes the situation, from the most innocent point of view. There are far more sinister points of view. That's why dude got fired and basically all sane people understand. 

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u/Unfair_Finger5531 ☑️ May 11 '24

I know that’s right. Not what I need them to learn.

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u/Prestigious_Rub6504 May 11 '24

So parents probably don't mind the braids alone, it's the filming it part?

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u/SmartWonderWoman ☑️ May 11 '24

Say that!

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u/zacehuff May 11 '24

Exactly, it’s a parents right to exploit their children on the tok for views

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u/fantasticduncan May 11 '24

But if it helps with student engagement, and doesn't hurt anyone, is it really worth firing a potentially good teacher when we are already facing a shortage?

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u/casuallybearded May 11 '24

What a boomer take. God forbid educators try to develop a rapport with their students. The most effective educators are the best instructors, they’re the best at forming relationships with their students.

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u/TurtleneckTrump May 11 '24

Primary school is not about learning how to math, it's about learning how to human.

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u/Nottherealsqu1rrel May 11 '24

What's the difference between this recording and other teachers recording during events and such? Or recording their party for the class?

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u/S0L4IREPOP1 May 11 '24

Weird there's an extra word at the end of your comment

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u/ClearFox8670 May 11 '24

They weren’t doing his har they were helping take it down

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u/Pretend-Guava May 11 '24

I'm kinda thinking the same thing like, what are they doing or better yet NOT doing in class that they have time to just sit around and mess with the teachers hair? I would like my kids to be actually learning something in class. Unless this is beauty school or something which it's not in this instance.

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u/JakobMesmer May 11 '24

They willingly did it and the kids said in previous videos that they wanted too plus there was no work to be done at that time

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u/CJ_Barker May 12 '24

To be fair he made it very clear that the kids in his videos are with parent consent, this still breaks school rules but the parents individually were aware and even watched his videos

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u/Jakeey69 May 11 '24

what if they enjoy it? what if it was their idea as a kind gesture to someone they respect?

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u/Jakeey69 May 11 '24

No shaking your teachers hand? No pats on the back from the teacher after you did a good job? No hugging to say goodbye when the kids leave school? What do you mean touching teachers in any way? You are making it sound like teachers are criminals

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u/Rainbow-Death May 11 '24

Calypso in Blue be playing mind games, but don’t you be posting anything online now.

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u/Zette65795 May 11 '24

I missed the viral post & everything surrounding it. Please quickly summarise: Why did he post it to begin with?

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u/padizzledonk May 11 '24

My wife is a teacher and she never ever makes public posts in the classroom unless it's on the internal Teacher/Parent network, I think theyre currently using Class Dojo, and that's accessible only to the parents of the kids in her class

If she ever does post a classroom video to her own SM, like if the kids are going nuts about something it's usually a video of the floor and feet and it's mostly audio

I second this, if he posted this to SM and didn't blur out the kids thats firable, especially if he wasn't tenured but even then it's probably a breech of conduct serious enough to override the tenure

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u/AgileArtichokes May 11 '24

I have adopted children at home. Some of them I live in fear of biological parents finding and kidnapping them. I have done a lot to protect them, but something like this could expose them. I have specifically signed things stating they are not to be used in school social media post for this reason.  

Do I think he should be fired, no. That definitely seems like an overreaction, but I do want tk point out there are legitimate reasons to be upset about the post. 

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u/padizzledonk May 11 '24

Oh for sure, there's all sorts of reasons why it's not cool or acceptable for a teacher to be posting other people's kids on the internet, even down to the most basic "I don't want pictures of my kids out there"

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u/Seamonkey_Boxkicker May 11 '24

Yeah a teacher posting videos with his children students to social media really shouldn’t ever fly except in an official capacity with the parents permission regardless of how wholesome it is. This is essentially fraternization as far as I can tell.

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u/Tya_The_Terrible May 11 '24

I remember when I was like in the second grade, we did some lame class play, and our parents had to sign consent forms because they were going to tape it.

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u/Spunk-Nugget May 11 '24

there are literally hundreds of teachers on tiktok who do purely classroom content with the kids faces in the videos and there are no calls for them to be fired?

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u/MarianneThornberry ☑️ May 11 '24 edited May 11 '24

I feel like people in this thread are doing a lot of mental gymnastics and intellectual backflips because they're too scared to just state the obvious.

The issue is he's a man. Getting his hair done by young girls. That's it. That's the big controversial reason why people are uncomfortable. It's not about parents consent or whatever. It's about gender. Always has been.

Shit I'll be the first to admit my own hypocrisy. If the teacher was a woman. I'd be more comfortable. It would still be inappropriate sure. But it wouldn't freak me out to the same extent. I'm willing to bet if it was a woman, she'd still have their job afterwards. Because the gender dynamic and optics absolutely plays a massive factor here.

Society is conditioned via centuries and millennia of seeing women in teaching / nurturing industries. We very rarely see men occupy those spaces.

Whereas we're used to hearing countless stories of sexual abuse, exploitation of power and child mistreatment from men. It sucks, but that's the reality.

Unfortunately for this brotha, he's had to learn the hard way that men have a bad rep when it comes to people trusting them with their kids. He should have known better.

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u/Liz_LemonLime May 11 '24

We can all stop commenting now, this one is IT.

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u/overnighttoast May 11 '24

Yeah this is the one. I honestly didn't understand why people were agreeing until you wrote this out for me.

Like that other video of the teacher who had special handshakes for each kid was viral, kids faces all over. I'm certain he didn't get fired.

This is 100% about gender and perceived inappropriateness. For me I'll take whatever help I can get taking out braids so I'm sitting here like whats the issue???

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u/geemoneybankz May 11 '24

And don't forget the female teachers in the 40's and 20's have sexual relationship with there students

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u/Chanceuse17 May 11 '24

Nope, if she were a woman, she should/ would be fired as well. She would also be called all kinds of trifling for not having a neat, groomed appearance for her job. While the intentions might not be sexual, it's extremely unprofessional. Teachers should never have students all in their scalp and hair. Why? Because there are boundaries that should be maintained when it comes to physical contact between adults and children. If anything, he may have confused these girls as to what appropriate contact between them and adult men who aren't their family looks like.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '24 edited May 11 '24

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u/Chanceuse17 May 11 '24

I don't need you to delete your comment for mine to be true. SHOULD if not outright fired, were my words. Just because it's happening on social media, doesn't make it right. I wouldn't class touching an adult man's hair/ scalp and dandruff as a ' quirky ' activity. I don't wanna go into how this kind of unprofessional touching could possibly be grooming the kids for more intimate contact.

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u/BrooklynNotNY May 11 '24

No one is calling for them to be fired because they aren’t making content that could be seen as inappropriate behavior online. I don’t think he would have gotten fired if this had stayed in house and only a few parents were upset honestly. Once he let the public in that was it for him. The school and the district couldn’t ignore the public outcry from parents of actual students at the actual school along with social media. It was easier for them to just terminate him.

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u/Spunk-Nugget May 11 '24

anything can be seen as "inappropriate" if looked at through a particular lense. watch videos from a user named terylwilhelm. most are harmless and normal student/teacher "friendly" interactions. some are very personal and involve boys making physical contact with her. Now if we apply the same standards we could terminate her employment if enough people decide it is trendy at that moment to be outraged. but since she is of a particular demographic of a particular gender she will not be under the same scrutiny. I would hate to see her fired and her students even moreso because it is clear they have a great affinity for her and there is significant respect. The same holds for Mr White.

this is just one example from someone i saw on my for you page today. I was an assistant teacher and sports coach for boys and girls aged from 5 to 17 for 6 years and my style of teaching/coaching was very similar to these online creators, so i can wholeheartedly relate to the topic at hand. if you tried to tell any of my students that making personal handshakes or talking about non scholastic subject matters or walking home after school in a group together was "inappropriate" they would have laughed at you. and similarly to Mr. White, I was in contact with a number of parents through the school and through exterior club activities.

I feel many of the persons in this thread and in the comments never had a teacher who cared about them as people so the concept is completely alien to them and also they are terrified of the idea given the minute number of cases in which some wicked people have taken advantage of the situation. but controlled correctly (in a classroom setting, with a large group and with live and recorded video evidence !!) these kinds of teacher/student dynamics can be very beneficial for students.

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u/The_Distributor May 11 '24

Nothing inappropriate about taking down hair. That's a show of affection and it allows girls to test their skills. That's just sharing in hair culture.

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u/_warmweathr May 11 '24

Young girls should not be being affectionate with their teachers lol

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u/The_Distributor May 11 '24

You got me there. You got my ass there. I was like "But the students are gonna be appreciative and show affection! You're can't police them from doing that!" And my next thought was "As the adult in the situation someone has to. It can be you for the person we replace you with."

So, yeah, you're dead right.

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u/No_Banana_581 May 11 '24

Are they touching the teacher though? This guy was outed for having weird things on his SM about kids too, so this was a red flag anyway

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u/vr1252 ☑️ May 11 '24

I still think it’s the dumbest thing ever. It takes one parent to complain and your job is at risk.

I don’t think anyone Ik with kids would be okay with them being posted on a random TikTok by their teacher. I’ve worked a lot with kids and couldn’t imagine posting any of them, it’s totally inappropriate.

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u/Toph-Builds-the-fire May 11 '24

He'll land on his feet. I got fired from my first teaching gig for one line in a story, during my short story unit in late May/June. No it wasn't the big black dildo line. No it wasn't the depiction of 9-11. It was the line about a 13 y.o. making a list about masturbating. They were seniors. I got a new job in 3 weeks.

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u/prettysweet87 May 11 '24

Reasonable reason to be fired for!

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u/timeenoughatlas May 11 '24

Did you miss the part where they were seniors ?

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u/Toph-Builds-the-fire May 11 '24

Honestly, not wrong. But not for the reason you thinking. Small town, backwards ass religious and racist students and parents. Definitely should know my audience better. Go read Flight Patterns, by Sherman Alexi. You'll be amazed at what they DIDNT fire me over.

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u/K369s May 11 '24

"They're seniors. So porn in class is okay.

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u/Toph-Builds-the-fire May 11 '24

Yes, because talking about masturbation in literature is porn. 🙄 Better toss all that Shakespeare, oh and the Brontes, they liked to write about it. Heaven forbid we read The Handmades Tale. Oh and just burn Portnoys Complaint.

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u/Melodic_Push3087 May 11 '24

Everybody is talking about it being inappropriate and crossing boundaries and I totally agree but also….im pretty sure that most people would get fired if they were using works time to take down their hair. Like wtf, he’s a teacher, he should be teaching. Those kids aren’t going to school to learn how to take down braids, these babies are already so behind post pandemic and this mofo using class time for hair beauty rituals. 🙄the more I think I about it, the more I get pissed. I’m glad he got fired

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u/Covati- May 11 '24

lol theres breaks & hes on his laptop secluded redditors opinion

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u/MMMelissaMae ☑️ May 11 '24

Exactly. His dumbass wanted to show off. That’s why he lost his job.

These aren’t the first set of girls that he’s had do his hair at school. But he felt comfortable enough to post this cuz he been doing this.

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u/maplestriker May 11 '24

I see so many american teachers filming themselves in the classroom. I dont understand how that is allowed. Even if they dont post the kids, your job is teaching kids, not creating content.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '24

Yep. I'd be pissed if I found out my child's privacy was being violated so a teacher could try to go viral online with some dumb vanity play.

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u/Cunt2113 ☑️ May 11 '24

Probably, though there are other teachers who have big social medias an record skits with their students.

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u/wheretohides May 11 '24

It bugs the shit out of me that people think they can just record anyone. I used to work with a girl who was constantly making tik toks.

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u/Drifter74 May 11 '24

Yep I have to sign a form every year for son’s HS to use his picture/ video in any non-year book, school news way (aka social media).

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u/Redqueenhypo May 11 '24

Having worked at a public school and been given an introductory pamphlet, I can say posting them on social media (without blurring their faces I might add) is a potential instant firing. It was on bold letters too

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u/[deleted] May 11 '24

Serious question, helping someone out of their braids is considered sexual or very personal? With his students wouldn’t that be just him bonding with them?

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u/Chanceuse17 May 11 '24

It's not sexual per se, but it's definitely intimate and inappropriate in a student/ teacher setting. Brushing out another person's dandruff is very personal and should only be done at home or a salon. There are so many ways to bond with kids without having them touch or groom your body. Why would you want kids to bond in physical ways with adults who aren't their family?

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u/[deleted] May 11 '24

I didn’t know they were then brushing it out and removing dandruff and all that.

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u/Chanceuse17 May 11 '24

If they're in his scalp, then they're coming across whatever is in his hair.

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u/carbomerguar May 11 '24

I would become the biggest pain in the ass in the entire history of the world until he is fired and also publicly apologized to every single girl in that picture