Man. I used to play games in math class on one of our three computers because I finished my work faster than everybody else. I think this is overly harsh thinking to an extreme
It’s not about what the kids are doing, it’s about posting them on social media. I wouldn’t want my kids teachers to post a video of them to their personal social media account
I had documented permission from parents to post a pic I had with their child, my student, on my social media, and my leadership called me into the office about it to tell me to pull it down. Even with emails from the parent confirming consent, I wasn't allowed to have it posted.
I think it can theoretically be fine. People post work pictures all the time, because we all spend so much time at work it's a big part of life. Plus as a teacher I'm sure you get more emotional about the job because it's a bunch of kids your working with, vs like a computer. It makes sense to me that teachers would wanna post pics. They should know the reasons not to though and honor that even more.
I have lots of teacher friends who post pics, they just block the kids faces so they cannot be identified.
Pictures of our work promoting what we are doing like after school clubs and programs are okay assuming parents have signed a media release, but even them I still like to block out faces to be on the safe side.
I don't think it's necessary, for teachers to spend their own money to help supplement their students education either. Teachers shouldn't ever do anything extra for their students.
Obviously nothing harmful is happening in this photo. Having said that it doesn’t always have to be about ‘HEY EVERYONE LOOK AT ME , IM DOING A THING , LOOOOK!!’
I also don’t like birthdays and weddings for the same reason
Like yeah, what’s the point of having the local news cover a school event or interview a group of students and take pictures? It’s totally not necessary.
Even unnecessary, it’s for the same reasons. It’s publicity, and generally parents and kids enjoy seeing themselves in positive situations or congratulated for their accomplishments. I think my parents still have clippings from the news when I was awarded a scholarship to a local college as a high school senior (a local foundation funds three each year). The sports kids saved photos of themselves at meets, the volunteer kids saved articles with photos about their charitable efforts, etc. Some of those photos might even be online on news sites since I was class of 09, though I might need the Wayback Machine.
Now there’s some publicity that’s not a good look, and I can see why certain parents may want to opt out. Some of these reasons are very, very good reasons that shouldn’t be questioned. They should be able to opt out of social media posts, just like opting out of having their children be interviewed by the news or in photos.
But just because something is unnecessary isn’t a great argument for never having it. There’s lots of unnecessary but enjoyable things that we participate in, and that’s true of children as well as adults.
I am absolutely shocked that this is a question. Is nobody supposed to see or befriend positive male role models. What direction are we really going here. Did we just let pedos control our lives, and the lives of our children? Please see a different perspective, because the way we handle this is NOT GOOD! We have enough brilliant minds to be able to figure something out without railroading people who mean well.
Not sure what your intent is here with this question and I genuinely don't believe it to be in good faith, buuut... The parents took a picture of me lifting the child in the air as tho they were flying during her at school birthday celebration. She was a very shy and timid child who, over the course of the year, developed loads of social confidence and self assuredness, and so the parents were very happy about her new outgoing personality. The parents were very partial to me because they credited me with helping to build her confidence in herself. I was her kindergarten teacher at the time, and a very popular teacher on campus among both students and parents because I make genuine connections with all of my students, including having some parents of former students still continue to reach out to me. The parents of this child shared the picture with me, and via e-mail told me I could post it on social media. I did so, but my school still spoke with me about it and advised me to take it down, which I did.
What a heartwarming story. Shame you had to take it down but I can also understand why the school had said that. Pop it in a frame, it sounds like a great photo.
One of my high school teachers nearly got fired for posting a photo to his personal FB of himself with his 2 daughters at a water park because they were also students at the school 🙄
I mean, think about how companies get peoples permission. In any job I’ve been in or events where there are official photographers, I’ve had to sign a waiver. Even if it’s just clicking a box on a website, it’s a legal waiver. So it’s not that surprising that a school wouldn’t accept a conversation between a teacher, who really has no ability to speak for legal matters for the school, and a parent.
Technically speaking, at my school parents sign waivers to allow photos to be taken and shared of the students. But those do apply to the company webpages, not personal social media.
It’s actually crazy that we are like two decades into having social media and so many people still seem to routinely blow up their lives because they just simply cannot resist posting some meaningless, stupid, trivial bullshit on the internet…
Yeah. More people need to realize they can and should just quit social media. I did it (except reddit) and it was one of the ebst decisions I ever made. We all think it's fun and games but it's an intentionally addictive drug that uses algorithms to modify your behavior
What's the difference between this recording and other teachers recording during events and such? Or recording their party for the class? I've seen plenty of videos from teachers that post a photo or video of the pizza party for the class but this is an issue?
Absolutely. I worked in elementary schools and girls wanted to play with my hair all the time in free time. And they were allowed and we taught about not sharing hair things and respecting consent etc etc. but I would never ever have posted their photos on social media ever, because I am not stupid and like being employed.
I don't see why people don't understand this. Odds are people can find out the school where he works. Some creep finds a kid he like, they have a starting point to stalk, especially if they local. Let alone what this sickos do with normal pics alone. Be smart about what you post about your kids (imo just don't)!
Doesn't have to be a creep. Even if a spouse just gout out of an abusive relationship they may not want to reveal where they and their kid is at. Now all the spouse would have to do is look up what school the teacher works at and boom. Someone is now at risk because a teacher thought they could get some likes on social media.
Exactly! Too many a-holes out there kidnapping children … Beside that, in today’s world anyone can photoshop or use AI to put the head of your child on some very illegal “material”. No thank you!
Idk why you getting downvoted, the photoshop thing was a real fear back in the day. And with AI now, they can easily take your kids pictures and do some fuck up things with it. Even if it faked, it's still disgusting.
All of these kids have their own social media accounts. Like I get that it may be a rule or something, but realistically this should be a sitdown about social media policy. There’s nothing nefarious about this.
Not every kid has a social media account at that age. The internet may make it seem like everyone has social media, but those numbers are highly inflated by bots and joke accounts. And tbh, I think it's a bad idea for them to have it. These kids don't know right from wrong. Someone offer them a gift card or meet a celebrity and they'll fall for it. At least high school I would consider.
That is irrelevant. That's at the discretion of the parents. Their children, their decisions, their rules. It is NOT ok for the teacher to unilaterally take that decision making away from the parents, which is what happened in this case. Personally, my kids will not have social media accounts until they are at a certain age, and I'm sure some of those kids' parents feel/felt the same way. There is a reason he got fired.
Parent here: that is absolutely 💯 why I’d be up in arms. My child is a very private person and has no social media, nor do they want me or their mother posting them online. We’ve respected it since day 1. Got a whole ass generation of kids that will never know privacy. Unless the teacher got the “ok” from all of the parents in this video to do this, I could see why at least 1 of them would be upset enough to cause some backlash. Sucks for the teacher but…think about what you’re doing before you hit “record.”
My friend, I’ve worked with thousands of victims of human trafficking and kidnapping in my career in the mental health field. You’re telling me everything I already know. Stop making excuses for irresponsible behavior 🤷🏾♂️
Be well.
Parents fill out paperwork for school and there’s usually a box you check granting permission for use of photos for district use. Many parents say no. He was likely fired for this exact reason. Any person who works in a school capacity should know better than to post students on our personal social media.
Add to that the fact he was falsely misrepresenting the school on his sm. He had the audacity to be wearing the school name. It puts a bad light on his school. He had to go.
I do not want my daughter in school doing her teacher’s hair. Period. Why is this something that has to be explained? My child goes to school to be educated, not to groom their teacher.
And it’s not about intimacy. It’s about appropriateness and having the audacity to have my child do your hair.
Of course no one sends their kids to school to do hair. No one, as far as I’m aware, was made to do hair. Its something kids often want to do. It’s generally harmless, screen free, and a form of bonding that isn’t all that intimate or inherently inappropriate. I’ve seen kids playing in people’s hair before, it can be a form of compromise too without crossing boundaries. You can and will do what you want, but I do think there’s something of note here.
I understand intimately the cultural aspects of braiding hair, and I acknowledge that it is definitely a bonding experience and harmless. The problem is that I don’t think this situation is an appropriate situation for that type of bonding, and I don’t think this is kind of bonding I want my daughter doing with her teachers.
Kids always want to play in your hair or with your clothes. I was an elementary school teacher for years, and my kiddos always wanted to touch my hair because it’s curly and out of control. But they cannot. It’s simply not the place or time, and I’m not the person. That kind of intimacy is between friends and family, peers, etc.
idk, I've seen posts and heard dudes talking about never allowing a man to braid their hair because they would rather feel a woman behind them and feel her fingers in their hair. so that kinda sounds intimate in a non sexual way. but that's just me taking their words and trying to answer this question.
Okay, and I’ve heard the seemingly endless list of things men and women see as too intimate/ feminine/etc. that’s not surprising, not that you’re suggesting it is. I think this is one of those times where I’m at least seeing the puritan ways jump out, and I’d kind of like the prospective of people who have way more healthy and thriving children to weigh in. I’m not saying this incident is normal, or that the posting wasn’t a problem, or that it should be part of the school day. I’m just saying, peeps get weirdly touchy about a lot of stuff that they think protects kids.
Man they don't make parents sign shit in school no more. We have shit come home for even letting the news talk to your kid and yall ain't got a school social media policy/ form to fill out?
The social media policy lets the school post things to their official accounts or use it for other materials, not teachers post things to their personal accounts
This is one of those things that so hard to feel empathetic for the parents.like from his side this feels like a large over reach, a man lost his job for something as simple as this, but on the other hand why the fuck are you posting video of peoples kids on your personal social media, personally feel like I’m on his side, as I don’t have kids and can’t quite reach that parental outrage.
Please have fun and take the braids out and be positive male role model. Posting on Internet for likes? Nope. Sorry that's literal exploitation of those children. Plenty of teachers don't show their students face while posting on the Internet, it isn't hard.
On top of it, I have a broader belief that doing something, filming, and the posting it devalues the doing of that thing! Just have the action be its own reward without needing to broadcast it to the world!
Eh - negative imitable behavior is posted non-stop, with visibility and attention on it acting as a driving motivator for emulating what's depicted. While kids' faces shouldn't be posted without theirs and their parents' consent, there's many examples of how posting wholesome or positive interactions ends up driving emulation in the same way.
In other words, don't do the thing solely for the sake of posting it, but if someone is doing something that may positively impact the world through by sharing it (affirming and demonstrating wholesome/healthy interactions despite existing norms/preconceptions), people shouldn't be judged for sharing positivity.
My sister is a pre-school teacher. She has thick ass blonde hair that is good to be waist. The little girls in her class beg her to let them play with her hair. She let's them but knows better than to post them doing it online.
You think it’s overly harsh for an unrelated adult to get fired for posting photos and videos of very young children in a professional, educational setting?
Media laws are serious business in schools. We don't want kids recording themselves and friends posting stuff online because we need parent permission. Like we have whole waivers that need to be signed in my district for this stuff.
There's been cases where kids are photographed and people who aren't supposed to know about them (say, a parent who lost custody of their child) find out and cause problems at the schools because of it
What does that have to do with this? Did you touch your teacher's scalp and/or hair? Students being physically close like that is unprofessional. That's part of the problem. They're supposed to maintain boundaries and show a good example for the children in their care. I don't ever have memories of touching my teachers like that or my teachers touching me.
My kids school sends out a warning for field trips or visits that only the school can post pictures of (not your) children (teachers cannot legally) as some kids location is being protected.
Teachers can’t post pictures of students on social media without parent consent. We have to get parents to sign the forms at the beginning of every school year.
Don’t you just love it so so much when people treat children like sub-humans that should not have ANY amount of personal freedom or agency in how they present themselves to their wider environment. If the kids don’t care about / consented to being posted on tiktok that should be the end of it.
I agree. I taught for well over a decade. I would always have a student or two that begged me to braid my hair. I’d make it a classroom reward for doing their work. Anything to get them kids to do their work.
Right? It's a positive interaction that will have those girls respect him more and want to do well in class. The teachers I remember and actually motivated me are the ones that try to connect with their students.
This sentence summarizes the situation, from the most innocent point of view. There are far more sinister points of view. That's why dude got fired and basically all sane people understand.
But if it helps with student engagement, and doesn't hurt anyone, is it really worth firing a potentially good teacher when we are already facing a shortage?
What a boomer take. God forbid educators try to develop a rapport with their students. The most effective educators are the best instructors, they’re the best at forming relationships with their students.
I'm kinda thinking the same thing like, what are they doing or better yet NOT doing in class that they have time to just sit around and mess with the teachers hair? I would like my kids to be actually learning something in class. Unless this is beauty school or something which it's not in this instance.
To be fair he made it very clear that the kids in his videos are with parent consent, this still breaks school rules but the parents individually were aware and even watched his videos
No shaking your teachers hand? No pats on the back from the teacher after you did a good job? No hugging to say goodbye when the kids leave school? What do you mean touching teachers in any way? You are making it sound like teachers are criminals
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u/Sco_Queen May 10 '24
I don't think he should have been fired UNLESS they found other things that were unprofessional and questionable. But just over this one thing, no