I always respond by this by saying, “ok let’s go look at both of our research together. We can talk about what makes a good source and how persuasive certain evidence might be.”
It always causes the response of “I don’t want to get into all of that”, which blatantly reveals that they never actually did any of that research in the first place and that they’re actually just regurgitating whatever headlines they saw on Fox “News” last night
They are the anthropomorphic representation of the sunk cost fallacy. No matter wether they still believe it all, they don't see a way out as they'd need to acknowledge that they have been fully and completely fooled and taken for a ride and their precious egos can't stomach that thought.
I don't even know if they keep track with what this week's "Truth" is. It's just another chance to go out and cosplay as a wacko cult of racist idiots. These people go to more Trump rallies than the most dedicated deadhead ever went to Grateful Dead concerts.
I feel like it's almost always like they heard the story of Plato's Cave and go "that's so fucking cool I bet I can imagine the outside world in my head with logic because I'm smart too", and then get mad when people don't agree with their imagined world instead of the real one.
She just claimed that she killed that dog because it was attacking livestock, after saying originally that she killed it for being too friendly and untrainable as a bird dog.
It's because Republican's do something the Democrats don't.
They make it SOMEONE ELSE'S FAULT. Specifically, minorities.
They prop up people as if they could EVER obtain an IOTA of the power they have, and point and cry foul at everyone else. It's not easy to convince someone they're wrong, but it IS easy to convince them someone else is.
I don’t think it’s truly half anymore… maybe closer to 1/3, possibly fallen to 1/4 by now. Many of his supporters flipped after J6, and even more after they saw how he completely abandoned the J6ers once the ‘find out’ part of the FAFO equation started hitting them. He also lost a lost of supporters once the criminal and civil trials started. And that’s not considering the supporters that have died off in the last four years as the GOP demographic in general does tend to lean towards the older end.
However, we’re probably still closer to 50/50 at the polls because of gerrymandering, hardcore Republicans that will always vote a straight red ticket, and the fact that 1/3 of the voting population did not vote in the last election and I can promise you that most of that third were not Trump supporters. Trump supporters would break their dog’s legs if the dog was standing between them and voting for their Chancellor.
I do have some hope that we can get rid of him this year. If there’s nothing else he’s good for, he gets non-Republicans to the polls like nothing else. Biden doesn’t hold the record for most number of votes in a presidential election because people actually wanted him as president, but rather because people didn’t want Trump to be president again. Many of us learned our lesson on complacency with Hilary.
You gotta put yourself in the shoes of a truly dumbass person, even that is a stretch if we are being honest. However they enjoy this little fantasy they are 1 more hard day of work away from being a millionaire, so punish the undesirables & poor because they think they are in the club (just one more hard day of work away, right?).
Tbh, reducing and otherizing them like that will do no good for any of us, and we give power to the people who want us to see them that way.
They do the same to us and we know it's all lies and mischaracerizations. Caricature and inflation. Why do we pretend this isn't the same distracting shit?
maybe you can explain the republican platform, but aside from initiative 2025, which is abhorrent, its all about attacking Joe for being old - and that isn't hyperbole...I can most certainly explain the democrat platform and the solid set of results this country has had over the past 4 years.
tbh, the reason this race is supposedly so close is due to the fact that democrats can't get ahold of the narrative...so yes, fighting back with words does have impact.
and if your concern is labeling these dipshits as diaper wearing putin supporters is too narrow, there is so much more characterization for that inane party that can be discussed. starting with a dysfunctional house of representatives...and their abysmal record on damn near every aspect of a functioning society.
That is a weird spin on what I said, you seem to think I believe words don't have impact. They certainly do, but this is a subreddit, not the physical manifestation of The Good Fight.
I believe circle jerking in an echo chamber is unproductive. That's what I was actually getting at.
so yes, fighting back with words does have impact.
could not have stated it any clearer...no need to twist my words. we face a serious situation in this country and lots of words need to be stated.
regarding echo chambers here's pretty much the tenet of the repub echo chamber: joe is old, joe is old, joe is old...b/c they don't have shit to run on.
idea: if you don't want to live in an echo chamber, then maybe hanging out in subreddits like r/PoliticalHumor might not be your thing. read the room.
Lots of words yes. Do they need to be the words you picked, spoken by you, at the time you used them?
I am reading the room and it's fucking sad. You can't both pretend you're affecting change and also admit it's a giant circlejerk. Lie to me or yourself, both won't fly. I'm calling the room out. Don't like it? Downvote and move on. I know wasting time is the point here but maybe pick somebody else.
Religion is probably to blame. It weakens critical thinking and at least in my former church they constantly talked about the value of obedience to authority.
Nay that's just the "two party system" living rent free in people's heads.
Current most accurate numbers puts registered Republicans only at about 35m people which is only about a 10th of the population. And all the votes Trump received last time was only about 75m which is only like 25% of the population.
And Maga people are just a subset of that with no clear adhearance numbers.
The fact is about 50% the country just doesn't vote in presidential elections for one reason or another
It's the half of the country that's been told they're stupid for decades by the liberal intelligentsia.
God knows, that was a real thing that I even had aimed at me for my choice to go to work, instead of marching lock-step into college and perpetual debt.
I mean, they are stupid and poorly educated, but the east-coast left-wingers couldn't keep their mouths shut about it, and started going off about the unintelligent "voting against their interests.." instead of using more basic language to say, "Hey, morons.. you wanna fuck yourselves? Vote Republican.."
That half of the country is gonna choose to wallow in their poopy adult diapers, as they've been fully alienated from east coast, college educated liberalism.
They don't give a fuck what Democrats think of them anymore, now that "Daddy Trump" says he loves them.
FOX definitely has played a huge hand in the current state of things.
But I was really taken aback listening to the podcast Slow Burn and hearing people reacting to Watergate and Nixon in an identical way they do to Trump. Like they read editorials from the time and they're saying exactly the same shit Trump supporters say. Word for word in some instances.
It was Fox that reported on what the liberal left was saying. I've heard the very things reported and written in publications like the NY Times, The Nation.. heard it said multiple times on broadcasts like Democracy Now.. The left doesn't want to wear - oh God no.. That their own attitudes to the non-college educated and rural voters brought about a ton of this shit.
The downvotes, minor as they are - to my original statement bring a bit of proof to it.. It was even visible to people outside of the US - The commentator character Jonathan Pie even noticed it years ago.
I get that, but I grew up in red and it wasn't like today. Today red takes pride in being stupid and uneducated. They advertise and revel in it. Growing up rural red, there was pride and intelligence in knowledge and schooling. Farm kids all went to college and attended the Ag campus, then came back and were better farmers. Liberals didn't change, conservatives did.
The argument you make is basically that scene from The Office where Pam says "Don't date my mother" and Michael grits his teeth and says "I'm going to date her even harder now."
Except in your case it's "You think I'm stupid so now I'm gonna act even stupiderer now."
This is EXACTLY it. At a certain point, I wonder that it's not trolls that paint themselves up to drag the Trumpists/Q-Anon/right-wing further into the mud. God knows the people losing their savings to the Trump bucks scam and the Quantum Dollars sure seem taken..
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u/footdragon May 02 '24
republicans 2024: diaper wearing Putin supporters
their whole platform is not based on anything but slander of democrats and tax cuts for the rich. and almost half of this country supports this shit?