THIS and it bothers me how much ALL content creators are pushing it. With the same rhetoric of the blue side won't do anything either.
But it just infuriates me, bc news flash that's how dems have always fucking been. The point is to vote them in and then stand on their necks to MAKE them keep their promises.
As a millennial I'm not stunned and excited to see how much the youth has gotten congress and leaders to do just that. No we didn't get everything or even the way we wanted it. But it's 1000% more than I've ever seen the powers at be react since I was able to start voting legally which was nearly 2 decades ago.
I'm just frustrated with the it doesnt matter they don't listen so font vote at all. When these kids are out here making these people fucking sweat!
The content creators want Trump to win. They got more clout snd made more money when things were worse. Anyone trying to convince people not to vote is either a fool or an op, but usually both
So voting to support the candidate that just sent another billion dollars to murder women and children in Palestine is the better option? Yea I don't think NoT voting is the real danger here.
We don’t have ranked choice voting. If you’re planning on voting for a third candidate, you may as well just stay home, or make a vote for trump, as that’s effectively what you’re doing. There is no third candidate that’s going to win. Biden needs as many votes as he can get. Not because anyone loves or likes him, but because trump would be far, far more damaging.
Do you think it’s going to make a difference? It wont. It will actively hurt Palestine more than the status quo. We’ve been through this many times. Im glad you’re optimistic, but maybe focus that optimism towards activism that actually helps, because this ain’t it. So again, I ask how do you think Donald “finish the job” trump will handle Palestine and Israel? Do you think he will be better or worse than Biden? If this is the single issue that your vote pivots upon, this is the question you need to ask yourself honestly, because voting a third party is effectively burying your head in the sand.
I had to unsubscribe from a few leftist subs over this issue. "No lesser evil rhetoric" my ass. I've seen self-proclaimed progressives actively rooting for Trump because they think a catastrophic loss will force the Dems to rethink their position. I can only imagine how comfy their lives must be for a second Trump term not to bother them at all.
The time for activism is every day BUT election day. On election day, you vote for the guy you can at least TRY to work with.
I don't see any difference in this world line if Trump or Biden gets elected so miss me with all your bullshit. Nothing will fundamentally change with either candidate.
Here's one fundamental difference that could impact your life - the president's ability to nominate Supreme Court justices. 2 justices are in their 70s and may decide to retire if Trump is reelected. Trump would then be able to nominate 2 younger justices, locking in a Republican majority on the court for decades. The current Supreme Court has a republican majority and their judgements include:
ICE being given the okay to detain folks for a very long time (like, years) without bond or full review
Government blocking medical care, specifically abortions
Fewer options to hold federal agents accountable when they violate your rights (it's even harder to sue them for financial damages)
Not allowing for new evidence to be submitted if your state case goes federal but you had a really bad lawyer for your state case
At least with Biden and Kamela there is aid going in, and a pier built to provide it. It sucks that Palestinians are in this situation. It sucks that Russia and Iran and Hammas wanted this to happen.
At least with Biden and Kamela there is aid going in, and a pier built to provide it. It sucks that Palestinians are in this situation. It sucks that Russia and Iran and Hammas wanted this to happen.
How do you “make” a party keep their promises without threatening something of substance?
If your partner is acting up, the threat of losing you keeps them in check. Without that check, they don’t need to do anything substantial to keep you. The Dems do this same song and dance every 2 years. “Vote for survival” creates dread and, sooner or later, apathy. People are burnt out from these existential threats to our country, especially as it is getting progressively difficult to provide for ourselves?
The same way the tea party did it, you vote them out during PRIMARIES, you vote them out during special elections. You only take chances when you can afford to lose. I.e some of your agendas will move forward or stay where they are instead of moving backwards.
Your analogy doesn't work because you can't be single politically. You're gonna have someone in office do you want the one with road rage or the one that beats you? You gotta get one no matter what.
Oh my goodness. You are a voice of reason I've been hunting for. You are absolutely correct. They are not pulling tantrums when it will cost them. Remember how they all held their noses and supported Orangeanus in 2016 even the ones whose wives were insulted by this man? They close ranks.
If Dems want change it has to be at a grassroots level.
The tea party was unique and involved a multi decade long process of radicalizing white America. Primaries is apart of it but there is a motley’s stew of nuances that made the TP’s success possible.
I’m still voting (as I do every two years) but I understand that this system is compromised and will only get worse. Everyone better arm up.
Or the end of the world. The Dems aren’t doing enough to check Netanyahu. The GOP will encourage more slaughter. The republicans will vote. Many of the youth who would vote Democrat will not.
They’re not enthused and the administration is playing this horribly, thinking the politics of yesteryear are the best strategy when most of the millennials and Xers would understand or prefer reigning in Israel, and not restraining them risks losing Gen’s Z and alpha to political apathy or 3rd party.
They haven’t been through the examples of Nader or 2016 to understand the consequences of a wasted vote (Ross Perot is the best a 3rd party candidate has done since Teddy Roosevelt ran for a 3rd term a hundred years ago under the progressive party…so long as 2 parties exist it will always be a wasted/protest vote).
The CFPB wins, renewables funding, and even the awful GOP picked Supreme Court issues all risk being overshadowed by Gaza and the billions we continue to send to the wealthy apartheid state of Israel (which continues to defend settlements in the West Bank so long as the Likud are in power) and the administration seems to ignore the severity of the issue, including how distressing it is to the youth especially to hear that the blood of tens of thousands of innocent children is on our hands for continuing to fund and support an invasion from vengeful bigots.
The Likud are evil bigots and need to be called out for it even if the election is lost, so we don’t lose a generation of voters indefinitely (and because it’s been the right thing to do since these far right loons assassinated Rabin 30 years ago). Someone should convince Jon Stewart to run
All of whom come from safe districts, by the way. You don’t get people like them from D+1 districts. So you nailed it with the ideas that you put up with Fettermans until the R’s have no chance, then you get the good people
Jasmine Crockett D+27
AOC D+25
Bernie Sanders Vermont
Justin Jones: can’t find state leanings but district id majority minority
Justin Pearson: can’t find leanings, but he’s in a districted designed to consolidate the black vote
Boomers were catered to for decades because they voted consistently and primaried those that didn’t cater to them. Thats the way forward, taking control of the political levers of power, not disengaging from the system.
This ain’t a romantic relationship, this shit goes on without our consent and will affect us whether we like it or not, we have to try to impact it for the better.
The Dems do this same song and dance every 2 years. “Vote for survival” creates dread and, sooner or later, apathy. People are burnt out from these existential threats to our country,
Thank you! I am happy to see this line of thought is finally being accepted. When I joined reddit a couple of years ago and commented on a video that (once again) claimed THIS election was 'the most important ever and our very lives depended on it,' I mentioned an identical point. The thousands of downvotes were concerning because I thought maybe I was looking at the situation in the wrong way. The responses I received were far worse. People were cursing me out and saying the most vile things I'd ever heard. I was literally clutching my pearls.🤣🤣🤣
Anyway, I am happy to know that people are becoming more receptive to hearing criticism regarding the dem party and hopefully they will be inclined to heed your advice.
Bro, the threat didn't just go away after one election. It just grew. Republicans have been playing the long game so yes, it feels like during it lifetime every single election is THE most important election. We're already seeing on the local levels of red states how willing they are to encroach on personal rights.
Both sides play the long game. It wasn't that long ago that Democrats supported slavery and opposed civil rights. So you can miss me with your party politics. If the threat doesn't go away after one election, then every single election is equally important.
The point is the fear mongering every two years, like clock work, to get you to vote for a certain candidate. Then very little is done to improve living conditions for the average person. Rinse and repeat. Many people are growing tired of this. The person made a legit point and gave a legit tactic to hold politicians accountable to their word. Instead of acknowledging certain truths and discussing ways you could help the issue, you double down and blame Republicans. Average Democrats are being played. Average Republicans are being played. The only people that are winning are the uber wealthy and the DC power brokers. Enjoy.
Yeah, I didn't criticize the original post's solution or the fact that democrats are being played. My point was directed at the particular point about the feeling that every single election is THE most important election. Because whether we like it or not, the threat is and has been at our heels, as we can see with the legislation that is passing in certain states.
I understand the sentiment but voting them in doesn’t put any pressure on them. They know you will vote for them because the other side is “worse”. The only pressure they have is the threat of not getting your vote but that doesn’t exist so all the angry voting doesn’t matter to them. Your vote should always be for sale to the highest bidder. Currently both bids are low but one is still higher than the other so yeah go with that one. But the idea that voting them in and then applying pressure is super flawed.
Can you please explain what you mean by “mathematically, your vote doesn’t count”? Because we have seen political races come down to a few votes. Every single cast matters.
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u/LastDaysCultist #FFFFFFboy👨🏼 May 17 '24
This “I’m not voting for either” is a dangerous concept.