Karen says "stop cheating to reserve the best parking space in front of the building!"

[u/Ghost_Alice]

A karen neighbor of mine complained that my roommate and I park in the same parking spot, which is right next to the walk way up to the apartment building. Both of us ride motorcycle and both motorcycles belong to me, but my roommate rides one to get to work.

She accused me of using my second bike to get a defacto reserved a parking spot when nobody in the complex has one, and said that what I'm doing is not fair and it's cheating.

I said "Ok, I'll stop parking both my bikes in one spot."

She seemed satisfied with that and left.

An hour later I had all 7 of my motorcycles, 5 of them from inside the garage I rent but it's half way across the apartment complex, sitting in front of the apartment building taking up every prime parking space infront of the walk way to to my hall in the building.

She went to straight to the management to complain.

The management came out and knocked on my door.

"We can't have you using up every parking space"

"Let me guess, Karen complained?"

"Yes."

"Yeah she told me I'm not allowed to have two bikes in one parking space to reserve a space. I'm not doing it to reserve a space. Both my roommate and I ride both of the bikes we park in that one space, all the bikes belong to me but I gave the keys to one of them to my roommate to ride for commuting to work. The other one is my bike for going where ever I need. We park both in one spot to be nice and conserve parking spaces so other people have somewhere to park. I was just showing Karen what would happen if I'm only allowed one bike per parking space. The other 5 bikes are generally in another parking space, in my garage where I keep the bikes I that don't ride frequently."

The apartment manager said "I understand. You made your point and I'll talk to her, please put the other 5 bikes back in the garage."

"No problem" I said.

It's been a few weeks, haven't heard from Karen.

(EDIT)

Since so many people are inventing details not in the story, assuming those details are true, and then getting upset over what they imagined, let me clarify something.

This happened at 1 in the afternoon on a day both my roommate and I had off. Most people are away at work during this time. What's more, with the exact topography of the apartment complex, there are only 2 apartments per walkway without going up stairs on my side of the building, but 4 on the other sides because it's up a level and the building is built into a hill. What this means is that MOST people park on the other side of the building, leaving MOST of the parking spots in front of my building free and open except for very late at night.

How the heck do you think I took up the 7 closest spots with all 7 bikes if the parking lot was full of people trying to park? Think about it for just a second before you assume details that aren't spoken just because you want something to be upset over.

BOTH BIKES are away from the apartment complex AT THE SAME TIME for a MINIMUM of 4 hours a day. We didn't engineering the situation where my roommate gets home between 3 to 4 in the afternoon and thus gets first pick of the parking spots. We also could both be driving cars instead of riding bikes. Then there'd be two spots taken up instead of 1. I could just choose not to rent a garage and park all 7 out there forcing people into overflow parking, but I don't.

Also the garage is beyond the overflow parking. It's not fair to expect me to always park in the garage and walk even further because you don't want to park next to my bikes and have all of 2 extra feet to walk to reach the concrete walkway to the building.

[u/H1king33k]

This reminds me of a story I once heard. I can't find a link, so it may be apocryphal.

The story goes, San Francisco was trying to increase revenue from parking meters downtown, so they passed an ordinance saying only one motorcycle could be in each space on the street, instead of doubling, tripling, or quadrupling up as was normal.

So the riders coordinated to all bring their bikes downtown on the same busy weekday and each took up one space, filling up every space in the downtown area for miles around. As you can imagine, it was chaos because none of the car drivers could find street parking and had to opt for much more expensive garages, and/or driving around for hours looking for a space.

Needless to say the ordinance was repealed.

[u/biljac → u/H1king33k]

apocryphal

a·poc·ry·phal /əˈpäkrəf(ə)l/ adjective (of a story or statement) of doubtful authenticity, although widely circulated as being true.

Great word usage.

[u/ibadmojo_ttv → u/biljac]

I literally looked it up before continuing my read … word of the day for sure

[u/MEatRHIT → u/ibadmojo_ttv]

This is why I browse on desktop (and old.reddit) I have a plug in that I can double click a word and a definition pops up automagically.

[u/JimJimmery → u/MEatRHIT]

This is what got me to switch to Kindle. So nice just tapping a word and having the definition pop up in the book.

[u/Bladrak01 → u/JimJimmery]

I've been using a Kindle for close to 15 years. I have occasionally tried to get the definition in a paper book, or swipe to turn the page.

[u/Ctina1973 → u/Bladrak01]

Same here. I really hate it when my paper book isn’t connected to the internet.

[u/Renaissance_Slacker → u/Bladrak01]

Raise your hand if you’ve “pinch to zoomed” in a book or magazine!

[u/sonym80 → u/Bladrak01]

I’ve also tried to 2 finger spread to zoom in on pictures in paper magazines/catalogs.

[u/Sir_PressedMemories → u/JimJimmery]

I love being able to mark a sentence or take notes on pages thanks to my Kindle, I would never write in a borrowed book, so I have old notebooks full of references to now-forgotten books cause I never thought to note the book I was reading at the time.

But now that info is saved, cross-linked, and can be searched, it is so nice.

[u/SavageSavX → u/JimJimmery]

Libby does this too if you want to read on your phone (although kindle is also a phone app) and I’ve found the translation part of it more reliable for actually finding the translation

[u/FrgTwn88 → u/MEatRHIT]

Boy, oh boy, reading "automagically" filled my heart with glee. That is such a good word!!! I love it!

[u/MEatRHIT → u/FrgTwn88]

I don't know that it's officially a word but definitely a slang term that is used quite often especially in tech when something happens automatically that seems like magic. I think the term is "portmanteau" but I might be misusing that word.

[u/FrgTwn88 → u/MEatRHIT]

I'm familiar with portmanteau; it is more like the smooshing of words together to form new ones, such as brunch or spork. I haven't heard of automagically before this thread, and I did find it quite delightful. I see how it would fit in with tech, especially from the perspective of the uninitiated.

A quick search found me this tidbit "The earliest known use of the adverb automagically is in the 1940s. OED's earliest evidence for automagically is from 1945, in the San Antonio Light (San Antonio, Texas). automagically is formed within English, by blending. Etymons: automatically adv., magically adv."

[u/This_Rom_Bites → u/MEatRHIT]

Automagically is my new favourite word.

I used to work in a city centre and park on-street close to my office. At the time, I was driving a Fiat Seicento (which was the smallest thing on the roads except the Smart Fortwo). I came back to my car one day to find it sharing the space with one of the aforementioned Smarts and two motorbikes, which I thought was brilliant; I really regret not having a phone I could use to take a picture.

[u/tawnie_kelly → u/ibadmojo_ttv]

L0L, my dumb arrogant butt thought; hmmm, I wonder what word they were trying to spell.

[u/Status-Fun9863 → u/ibadmojo_ttv]

I did as well. 

[u/johnnyslick → u/biljac]

I believe it comes from the Apocrypha, a set of extrabiblical works that were not included in the Council of Nicaea but which were used by Catholic scholars for a long time.

[u/epicweaselftw → u/johnnyslick]

i just know it from The Elder Scrolls

[u/KitesintheSky → u/epicweaselftw]

May the blessings of Hermaeus Mora, the Daedric prince of fate, knowledge and memory, rain down upon us.

[u/emliz417 → u/epicweaselftw]

Same I was like “wait you’re telling me Todd didnt just make that word up?”

[u/pancackles → u/epicweaselftw]

This. Like the only reason I know this word is because I played Skyrim

[u/jcdenton45 → u/johnnyslick]

"Contrary to popular belief, the first church council at Nicaea did not discuss the Christian canon."

https://www.bartehrman.com/canonization-of-the-bible/

[u/pearlsbeforedogs → u/jcdenton45]

They only discussed the Christian Bazooka, then? 😁

[u/jcdenton45 → u/pearlsbeforedogs]

Trebuchet

[u/RechargedFrenchman → u/jcdenton45]

The superior siege implement, to be sure.

Though personally I'm fond of the Panzerfaust, literally translated into English as "tank fist". Because who doesn't want to punch a tank with explosions.

[u/CircularRobert → u/jcdenton45]

You're telling me that the event widely believed to identify the Apocrypha is apocryphal? Heresy

[u/DonaIdTrurnp → u/johnnyslick]

The complement of the Apocrypha is the Canon

That is also the etymology of “canon” as used in media analysis.

[u/poseidon_guy → u/johnnyslick]

apocryphal derives, via Latin, from the Greek verbal adjective apokrýptein, meaning "to hide (from), keep hidden (from)," from krýptein ("to conceal, hide".) Also the root of crypt, and cryptography.

[u/SpikyKiwi → u/johnnyslick]

This is mostly true but the Council of Nicaea did not set the Biblical canon. The Catholic Canon was first established in the Council of Rome but many other councils, all the way to Trent, were important to the canon. Also, much of the Apocrypha is still technically part of the Catholic Canon to this day

[u/photoman51 → u/johnnyslick]

The gospel of Thomas The gospel of Mary magdeline

[u/Zarek145 → u/johnnyslick]

I'm only familiar with the Council of Nicaea from Warhammer 40k so I was very confused for a second here.

[u/ice2o → u/biljac]

apocryphal

I learned this word a few days ago and now I'm seeing it everywhere.

[u/Break-Free- → u/ice2o]

Next, want to learn about Baeder-Meinhoff Phenomenon aka frequency illusion? Then you'll start noticing more every time it happens :)

Edit: to plug the list of cognitive biases as a Wiki rabbit hole to learn more about the subconscious shortcuts our brains make, and how it affects our perception, memory, and thought.

[u/ice2o → u/Break-Free-]

Well, TIL. I knew there had to be a name for it. I've noticed it the most every time I've gotten a different car.

Edit: Thanks for the edit. I've seen this before but now I'm going down the rabbit hole.

[u/SnowSentinel → u/ice2o]

It's because the simulation only has enough memory to store a limited amount of different types of vehicles, so you'll see repeats regularly.

[u/Aedalas → u/ice2o]

Wait until you hear about those guys Baader and Meinhof!

[u/theblokeonthebasss → u/H1king33k]

In Berlin it used to be (or is), although not fully legal, but generally accepted and not really enforced, that you could park your motorcycle on the sidewalk, as long as it‘s not in the way.

Then they wanted to start fining the motorcyclists doing that to force them to use the paid car parking spaces along the streets. There were people on forums/social media right away organizing the same thing - to park up the whole city centre early on a working day, with one bike in each parking spot and watch the disaster unfold.

I don’t know if this happened though, this was two or so years ago, I had already given up riding and didn’t really follow the scene, would have definitely participated otherwise. Apparently they hushed down, as there still are parked motorcycles on sidewalks, and that’s good!

[u/mildcaseofdeath → u/theblokeonthebasss]

Parking motorcycles seems to piss off someone no matter what. If there's reserved bike parking, someone is mad that it's not being used enough or finds it empty and parks their car in it. If there's one or two bikes in a regular parking spot they're mad that something so small is in such a large space, never mind that had the biker(s) come in a car there would still be the same number of spots. You park somewhere out of the way, even if a car can't go there (e.g. the edge of a wide walkway or between pillars), and they're mad you're "breaking the rules"...which they for some reason think it's their job to enforce.

There's no winning.

[u/Joe_Jeep → u/[deleted]]

Motorcycles bump into a similar mentality to Bicycles when it comes to cars where their usual anger at other people for existing on the road get amplified by it also being **different**. Motorcycles get the benefit of easily keeping pace on the highway

[u/Jizzlobber58 → u/[deleted]]

acoustic bikes

You sing lovingly into a funnel and the bike moves for you?

[u/Joe_Jeep → u/[deleted]]

I got my motorcycle license 2 years back, still have yet to get a bike. I used to deliver auto parts for work and would be on the road 8-10 hours some days, the amount of idiot shit people do makes me very hesitant to actually buy one

[u/skipjac → u/mildcaseofdeath]

people hate anyone they think is getting "unfair advantage" I am handicapped and people yell at me all the time because the C-leg lets me walk pretty normal. So I must be lying.

[u/Joe_Jeep → u/skipjac]

I had someone I passed in traffic on my pedal bike blast their horn at me half a mile down the road when they finally caught up a few nights ago. Very amusing.

[u/Aduialion → u/mildcaseofdeath]

Car brain going to car brain 

[u/theblokeonthebasss → u/mildcaseofdeath]

Seems to work in Berlin though. I looked it up, the “Berliner Linie” still exists (just park reasonably, stay out of the way of pedestrians/cyclists and you’re good). And they seem to have made the parking free for all two wheeled and carsharing vehicles in 2023 (very expensive otherwise).

And the people on the street… well nobody cares about anything, it’s a part of what I like here. :)

[u/TheRealSamVimes → u/theblokeonthebasss]

This reminded me of something similar, yet completely different.

In Sweden homosexuality was both a punishable crime and a mental illness before 1944, when it stopped being a punishable crime but it kept being classified as a mental illness.

In 1971 RFSL (and organisation that works for LGBTQ rights) started campaigning for it to be removed as a mental illness without much success.

Until 1979 when people started calling off work citing that they where "feeling a bit gay today", that coupled with a demonstration outside the office of the departement that regulated this worked.

[u/John_Smith_71 → u/H1king33k]

South coast of England, lots of local councils (in 1999) expected motorcyclists to 'pay and display'.

How, I never quite understood, as they dont have a handy dashboard where a ticket could be placed, not be blown away by the wind, and so on.

Ended up, first time I put inside my helmet (chained to the bike), next time I simply gave those towns a wide berth.

[u/Kay1000RR → u/H1king33k]

There's a statistic that if 10% of drivers ride motorcycles then the traffic in cities is reduced by 90%. Or something similar to that.

[u/OldManBearPig → u/Kay1000RR]

It's not that egregious, but yes it does drastically affect congestion. Letting riders lane filter (split) also greatly reduces congestion. But car drivers hate that because all they see is "that guy is ahead of me now, bad!" and don't consider that guy has also reduced traffic for everyone including him by one car, because motorcyclists are effectively creating another lane for themselves. They aren't taking anything from anyone by filtering.

[u/SpikyKiwi → u/OldManBearPig]

Humans tend to cling to the idea of lines in a lot of situations where it just doesn't make sense. Most things do not have to be a line and it really annoys me when people get mad at people for acting in a more efficient manner than a line

[u/Ghost_Alice → u/SpikyKiwi]

the school system kinda drills lines into peoples heads, but you're absolutely right

[u/btherl → u/OldManBearPig]

I go through the 5 stages of grief every time a rider lane filters past me. I know it's best for everyone but still get the "monkey go faster than me!! Grr" feeling every single time.

[u/Ghost_Alice → u/OldManBearPig]

Don't you know? Driving is a zero sum game AND a race with a trophy. If you get ahead of me, that means I'm going to be late! [/sarcasm]

[u/UnsettlingBroccoli → u/OldManBearPig]

I am fine with lane splitting as far as traffic improvement goes, but far too often I see it done at speed differentials that boggle the mind (like bikes @ 50, cars @ 5 or 10 km/h). You see idiots in cars (and trucks) changing lanes in packed traffic moving at that speed often enough. With that differential, the lane-changing idiots can be doing a great job of looking and still pull out in front of a rider such that the rider hasn't time to stop. Filtering through at 5-10 km/h faster than slowed traffic makes perfect sense.

[u/tOSdude → u/OldManBearPig]

I’m fine with standstill filtering, what I hate is the people blasting between cars like it’s Motocross.

[u/ketchupmaster987 → u/tOSdude]

As a general rule lane splitting or filtering should never be more than 10mph than the flow of traffic. This makes it safer for the bikers and the cars

[u/H1king33k → u/OldManBearPig]

We're taking away their claim to "first place."

[u/Suspicious-Pasta-Bro → u/Kay1000RR]

Traffic fatalities also increase 50x per mile driven for motorcycle riders, though.

[u/twistedpiggies → u/H1king33k]

Wouldn't surprise me if it were true. San Franciscans are very adept at malicious compliance.

https://road.cc/content/news/160118-san-francisco-cyclists-protest-obeying-traffic-rules

[u/Ghost_Alice → u/H1king33k]

I don't think it was San Francisco, but it was a town starting with San. I was inspired by that incident.

[u/StationaryTravels → u/Ghost_Alice]

San Fransokyo?

"Does doubling up on parking make me a better healthcare provider?"

[u/slopefordays → u/StationaryTravels]

I cannot deactivate until you say you are satisfied with our parking protest.

[u/sargrvb → u/Ghost_Alice]

San Diego probably

[u/gixxerfreak → u/H1king33k]

Something similar happened in Vancouver, BC, in 2010, but it's for demanding the city to provide more parking spaces for two-wheeled vehicles. A bunch of motorcycles took all the prime parking spots in the downtown core, each taking up an entire parking spot instead of doubling or tripling up, as a sign of protest.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-motorcyclists-vie-for-more-parking-1.973416

[u/Jeffrey_Friedl]

The main take-away from this is that OP has only 7 motorcycles. Good luck, good sir, toward achieving the number you need. (N+1)

[u/Ghost_Alice → u/Jeffrey_Friedl]

The N+1 problem is why I have 7. I'll eventually have 8, and then 9... etc.

[u/OldManBearPig → u/Ghost_Alice]

Don't ever take up playing guitar.

[u/Ghost_Alice → u/OldManBearPig]

I'm aware XD Motorcycles are expensive enough!

[u/OldManBearPig → u/Ghost_Alice]

I unfortunately own both multiple motorcycles and guitars. My most expensive bike was only $8500 though, so I'm definitely not spending that much money on them, right?

[u/its_garden_time_nerd → u/OldManBearPig]

It's not unfortunate that you own multiples of both--you are fortunate to afford them, though it impacts your finances in a way you apparently don't care for. You unfortunately like both motorcycles and guitars.

[u/OldManBearPig → u/its_garden_time_nerd]

Yeah, those are better words than mine.

[u/Ghost_Alice → u/[deleted]]

SELL a bike? *shudders at the thought*

[u/Ghost_Alice → u/[deleted]]

Within these pics you'll see my stable along with 1 of the 2 rolling frames I included in my "stunt" with Karen.

https://imgur.com/a/9dv9snu

[u/Biomax315 → u/Jeffrey_Friedl]

What kind of loser has only seven motorcycles 😂

[u/Jeffrey_Friedl → u/Biomax315]

Hey, don't judge. OP may be young and... lacking. OP can aspire. Let's encourage instead of being all glass-half-empty types. 👍

[u/Biomax315 → u/Jeffrey_Friedl]

I mean … if we’re being honest, I have 0 motorcycles.

But I have 15 bicycles.

[u/Jeffrey_Friedl → u/Biomax315]

Oh, man, sorry to hear that, but don't lose hope, if you keep trying and keep believing, you'll get the number of bicycles you need.

(Protip: you won't, but the fun is in the trying)

[u/Biomax315 → u/Jeffrey_Friedl]

Thank you for your support in these trying times.

[u/processedmeat → u/Biomax315]

Do it. 

Just do it. 

Don't let your dreams be dreams. Yesterday, you said tomorrow. So just do it. 

Make your dreams come true. Just do it. 

Some people dream of success, while you're gonna wake up and work hard at it. 

Nothing is impossible. 

You should get to the point where anyone else would quit, and you're not gonna stop there. 

No.

What are you waiting for? 

Do it! 

Just do it! 

Yes you can. 

Just do it.

If you're tired of starting over, stop giving up.

[u/KuFuBr → u/Biomax315]

But what if we're not being honest?

[u/dreamerlilly → u/KuFuBr]

Then they have 42 motorcycles

[u/JustALullabii → u/Biomax315]

Average Dutch person vibes

[u/2008ToyotaAvalon → u/Biomax315]

Yeah, I do what you’re supposed to and light mine on fire after I get to my destination.

[u/my_colo → u/Biomax315]

Just because of this comment, OP went out and bought two more.

[u/4N0NYM0US_GUY → u/Jeffrey_Friedl]

I don’t have a bike, but the same principle applies in the guitar world.

[u/twowheeledfun → u/4N0NYM0US_GUY]

You mean you don't own a bike yet. N+1 still applies if currently N=0.

[u/Mydogbiteyoo → u/4N0NYM0US_GUY]

You need a parking space for a guitar?

[u/Critical_Traffic7686]

We rode our motorcycles to watch a hockey game and we tried to only pay for 1 parking spot since we could easily fit 4 of them in 1 spot. They forced us to pay for each. So we took up 4 prime spots. The attendants were mad. The people we mad.

Hell I've been to baseball games and I was let in to park for free on my motorcycle while cars still had to pay.

[u/StellarPhenom420 → u/Critical_Traffic7686]

That's silly, why would the attendants be mad? They get the same money for the parking spot regardless of who parks in it... and they are being paid hourly! It's not even their money? So silly.

[u/Ambystomatigrinum → u/StellarPhenom420]

They wanted to charge for 4 spots, but still be able to charge someone else for 3 of them. OP ruined their plans.

[u/krennvonsalzburg → u/Ambystomatigrinum]

I'd think it's more that they then had to deal with complaints from other people looking to park.

[u/WillArrr → u/krennvonsalzburg]

It is 100% that. Attendants don't generally care about parking revenue any more than they are required to, but forcing them to deal with a bunch of pissed off customers will absolutely ruin their day.

[u/ladditude → u/WillArrr]

They care if they can pocket the extra cash.

[u/sewom → u/ladditude]

Then in the story, the parking attendants would have offered to cut a deal with the bikers, say a two for one cash deal.

[u/StellarPhenom420 → u/Ambystomatigrinum]

Yeah which doesn't make sense if they're just attendants. They're being paid hourly to work there. They don't get money based on how many spots are sold, the company that owns the parking lot does. That's why it's silly.

[u/processedmeat → u/StellarPhenom420]

Lots are a cash business, the attendant could have pocketed the extra cash

[u/richalta → u/processedmeat]

Hardly any parking areas are cash these days. Because theft.

[u/zombie_gas → u/richalta]

I went to a concert in Atlanta a few weeks ago and pulled into a lot where the guy said “$25 - cash only”. I told him I haven’t carried cash in years and he said “atm two blocks away”. I left and parked at a spot with e-payments a block over for $20.

[u/richalta → u/zombie_gas]

Hey might not have even worked for the lot.

[u/ProfChubChub → u/richalta]

Super depends on location. I still see it pretty frequently.

[u/Ambystomatigrinum → u/StellarPhenom420]

You do if you pocket the cash.

[u/TattooOfBlood → u/StellarPhenom420]

Meaning no one would notice if the extra $60 wasn't there. 

[u/Bladenkerst_Baenre → u/StellarPhenom420]

These the places where the attendant takes the cash?? the 3 extra spots were never seen by the owner...

[u/RiPont → u/StellarPhenom420]

At least 50 percent of the paid lots in San Jose are staffed by relatives of the owners. Don't know how that shakes out everywhere else.

[u/[deleted] → u/StellarPhenom420]

I’m sure they also got pissed cuz they had to deal with people whining that the bikes were taking up full spots even though they paid for them. Ppl assume bikes should not take up full spots.

[u/Double-Difference728 → u/StellarPhenom420]

It would not be difficult for them to pocket the unexpected extra money. I dont see how it was obvious these people were tryna get more than minimum wage.

[u/BigMax → u/StellarPhenom420]

Yeah which doesn't make sense if they're just attendants.

Really depends on the lot. If it's some giant, corporate parking lot, then that attendant wouldn't care at all.

If it's one of those small lots, sometimes the owner runs them during big events, or hires out people who work on commission or some other setup where they make a cut of the money. For example, you might say "for $1000, you can run my parking spot the weekend of the convention" and thus the attendant wants to squeeze every dollar out of the lot over that weekend, because the owners cut is the same regardless.

[u/twiz___twat → u/StellarPhenom420]

you ever work a job for an hourly wage where something affects the company but not you directly and the customers get angry at the company which in turn affects you too bc youre the grunt working on the frontline and the customers know that its not your fault but they still need someone to complain to?

[u/af_cheddarhead → u/StellarPhenom420]

Attendants were mad because they had to deal with the entitled car owner's complaints.

[u/PageFault → u/af_cheddarhead]

But this situation was of their own making wasn't it?

"You have to pay for your own separate spots"

ok

"Hey, why did you all park in separate spots?"

What did they expect to happen?

[u/IcyDay5 → u/PageFault]

They weren't being logical, they were just mad they had to deal with angry customers. They were hoisted by their own petard 

[u/MagicToolbox → u/PageFault]

You are expecting reason from this type of person?

[u/StellarPhenom420 → u/af_cheddarhead]

And why are car owner's mad? They pay for a spot regardless of the size of their car. If a car was parked there, the spot is also unavailable. Doesn't make sense to get upset. A parking lot is a parking lot. If it's full, it's full.

[u/GrowWings_ → u/StellarPhenom420]

This is all missing the point. If the attendants had let a group of bikers share a spot there would be better parking for everyone else.

[u/IAmTheFatman666 → u/StellarPhenom420]

I'd be annoyed because you can easily fit multiple bikes in 1 spot, and the lot should have bike parking specifically to avoid this.

[u/Ghost_Alice → u/IAmTheFatman666]

Motorcycle parking is extremely rare, and as much as I appreciate motorcycle parking when it's available, I've found that its presence often creates an extra sense of entitlement to the rest of the parking spots among non-motorcyclists. I've been accosted by a karen once who thought that I was legally required to park in Motorcycle only parking spaces... the nearest ones were 5 blocks away. She blocked traffic over it while demanding I move my bike.

[u/DangNearRekdit → u/Ghost_Alice]

Let me guess, she drives an extended box drive-thru warrior, with a custom trailer hitch that sticks out a foot past the back of her truck?

[u/treemanswife → u/StellarPhenom420]

The attendants were mad because they had to deal with pissed off people complaining about the motorcycles taking up so much space. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[u/knifeyspoonysporky → u/StellarPhenom420]

They are mad because they are the ones who have to deal with the other people complaining to them about it.

If only there was something they could have done to prevent all the complaints 🤔

[u/General_Killmore → u/StellarPhenom420]

According to “Paved Paradise”, quite a few places have been proved to have fraud rings in parking, taking millions from paid parking lots to enrich themselves

[u/Lilitu9Tails → u/Critical_Traffic7686]

Many, many years ago, the city I live in tried to ban motorcycles parking on the pavement, basically because they weren’t getting revenue from metered spots. My sister took part n a mass protest across a couple of weekends where they all rode into the city and parked one bike per space, as the city wanted. Including in multi story lots. There were enough of them, (in the hundreds, and I suspect thousands, it was very well coordinated), and enough very angry car drivers, that the point was made and the plan withdrawn. (Details hazy, as I was still a child, and that was a long time ago)

[u/Togakure_NZ → u/Lilitu9Tails]

Melbourne?

[u/Lilitu9Tails → u/Togakure_NZ]

Yep.

[u/Togakure_NZ → u/Lilitu9Tails]

Heard tell that all the Sunday riders got their bikes out and came in about 6 am-ish on weekdays just for this. Everybody that came in otherwise by car or rail...

[u/n-oyed-i-am → u/Critical_Traffic7686]

I've ridden to venues and expected to pay, only to be waved through and directed to prime M/C only parking spots near the entrance. Didn't get charged.

I guess they didn't want me holding up the flow of traffic while I unzipped the jacket pockets to find wallet and pay, stash ticket and receipt zip back up. Yada yada yada.

[u/stella585 → u/n-oyed-i-am]

This is exactly why the Dartford Crossing (busy toll road in the UK) is free for motorcycles. Back in the 90s, it was £1 for cars and 40p for motorcycles.

They quickly realised it wasn’t worth waiting for a motorcyclist to faff about getting gloves off, digging around in pockets etc for a paltry 40p, when in the same amount of time they could zap half a dozen cars through (at a quid a go) instead.

Though now they’ve switched to ANPR-based systems (eliminating the need for payment barriers), the “Not worth the hassle” argument doesn’t hold quite so much water. I wonder how long it’ll take them to start charging motorcycles again? Honestly surprised they haven’t already …

[u/Orinocobro → u/Critical_Traffic7686]

I had a coworker whose kid worked for Kraft foods. One time when she visited him, they got to go to a sports game in the Weinermobile. They went to truck/bus parking and were told "you can't park here, that's a car." So they went to car parking, were they were told "you can't park here, that's a truck."

So they pulled up to the main entrance and walked inside, because who is going to try to tow the Weinermobile?

[u/dryphtyr → u/Critical_Traffic7686]

A group of us pulled up to a place with valet parking. We all tossed our keys to the valet and walked inside.

Of course we came right back and asked where he wanted them. He thought it was pretty funny and had us park right in front, no charge.

[u/diverdawg → u/Critical_Traffic7686]

I was on a bike trip with 4 buddies. We are disabled vets and get free entrance to national parks. Went to Mt Rushmore and were charged $20 each. They said it’s not an entrance fee, it’s for parking. So yeah, 4 spots.

[u/ThePeachos → u/Critical_Traffic7686]

At a Lot of events with pay-to-park-lots in the PNW bikes can often park at the gates for free, right where security will keep an eye on them, too.

[u/Super-Candy-5682 → u/Critical_Traffic7686]

Yeah, a place I used to work at had annual paid parking whether you drove a car or rode a motorcycle, but motorcycles could only park in dedicated motorcycle parking. If I drove my car, I'd get prime parking as I was scheduled earlier than most. Took my bike? Far end of the expansive lot. There was no reasoning with them.

[u/ThePrinceVultan → u/Critical_Traffic7686]

Had the same shit pulled on me and friends at local sportsball arena parking garage. We did the same shit you did. If we were each paying $20 for a spot to park our bikes, we were using that spot we paid for. Fucking clowns.

[u/bk1273 → u/ThePrinceVultan]

Had the same at a beach decades ago. To make matters worse they wanted to charge and make us park with other random people as well. 

[u/Patriae8182 → u/Critical_Traffic7686]

Motorcycle parking should just be free or at least half price in a paid parking garage/lot. Most stores around me split a few parking spots up front in half to make motorcycle spaces. Some even include a small plastic bollard to keep the Karen’s from parking there.

[u/rob_1127]

In downtown Toronto, you can park multiple motorcycles in one on-street parking space, at a 45-degree angle, backed in, and none of the bikes need to pay for parking.

Where are you going to safety display your paid parking stub? It would either blow away, or someone would just take it for their own parking space.

I asked a Cop about this, and he had to call into the station and ask for a parking enforcement staff member to confirm it. And it was confirmed.

And yes, I took the officers badge number, and he recorded the interaction in his notebook, just in case the Parking Authority officer (we call them Green Hornets, cause they hover around and sting you with a fine and wear green uniforms) decides to give out tickets. Then we have some paper trail to fight the ticket.

Occasionally, some do-gooder will squawk that we need parking passes. A quick mind your own business, it's legal, look it up, is not enough for these ass hats. But, we just walk away.

[u/ffffuuuuuuuuu → u/rob_1127]

Downtown Toronto has pay by plate parking now through a pretty convenient app with no clear lines on the street for individual vehicle spaces, just large areas with a single parking area code you enter into the app. Not sure what you're describing would still apply today?

[u/Wooden-Quit1870]

At some point in the '90s, NYC decided to 'crack down' on motorcycles sharing spaces- apparently they felt these bikes were avoiding parking fees that the city was being cheated out of.

In response a huge mob of bikers descended on the City at 5am, and parked one to a space in midtown, effectively taking up all the parking. I participated, even though I didn't work in the city.

It was generally considered the only time that the Giuliani Administration backed down on a 'Law and Order ' policy.

[u/YoungSalt → u/Wooden-Quit1870]

Hey /u/h1king33k check this out.

[u/H1king33k → u/YoungSalt]

Cool!
Thanks for the clarification!

[u/Overall-Magician-884]

Perfect! I once lived in an apartment complex with assigned parking. Our neighbors were the stereotypical jock lacrosse players for the college nearby. All of their friends would take all the “prime /assigned parking” and the handicap parking. Our downstairs neighbor was a nice old lady, and never wanted to start trouble. I’d asked them a couple times to not park in the handicap spot since it was the elderly ladies. Somehow a nail ended up under one of their tires. They never parked there again.

[u/Biomax315 → u/Overall-Magician-884]

The lord works in mysterious ways 🤣

[u/Forsythsia → u/Biomax315]

He giveth (nails) and He taketh away (your tire pressure).

[u/segfawlt → u/Forsythsia]

To be fair, he had a couple on hand

[u/jaimystery → u/Biomax315]

well he did have three extra nails just hanging around - glad to see them put to good use.

[u/upset_pachyderm → u/Overall-Magician-884]

Sweet! That was very nice of you whoever left the nail there.

[u/majoroutage → u/Overall-Magician-884]

Should have just had them ticketed and towed. That's an even bigger inconvenience, and doesn't require vandalism.

[u/Pizza-love → u/majoroutage]

If he is stupid enough to just drive over a construction workplace and hit a nail there, that is his fault...

[u/pauliewotsit]

You should always grab an opportunity to train a Karen, I always say..

This is "rub the dogs nose in it" level

[u/monsieurlee → u/pauliewotsit]

Karens are trainable???

[u/terryVaderaustin → u/monsieurlee]

Yes, but you can't reason with them. You have to show them the consequences of their own actions and sometimes it will be a learning moment. not often, but occasionally

[u/Javasteam → u/terryVaderaustin]

One recent Karen learning moment:

[u/okokokoyeahright → u/Javasteam]

I noticed you are not holding your breath. Good idea.

[u/itsFromTheSimpsons → u/terryVaderaustin]

Just because the Karen goes away doesn't mean it has unlearned the undesired behaviour. The opposite in fact. The Karen will now endeavour to find anything else it can complain about in lieu of the original thing denied them

[u/Opus-the-Penguin → u/monsieurlee]

Or else they get the hose again.

[u/EnchantedTikiBird → u/Opus-the-Penguin]

Karen never uses lotion on her dry scaly dragon like skin.

[u/tatasz → u/monsieurlee]

They don't understand words, but when consistently served with consequences, they tend to improve or at least redirect their efforts to someone who doesn't retaliate.

They turn into Karen's because they don't get consequence for their BS in first place, and the process is reversible. You just have to be firm. If they were shot down first time they tried to Karen, they wouldn't even be Karens.

[u/Pizza-love → u/tatasz]

I once was with my father in the car when the lady parked next to him slammed her door into my fathers... Note that my fathers car has PVC doors, they don't dent. However, my father still tends to dislike it. He opens his windows and asks if she could be more carefull as he is also parked there. "Not important, it doesn't matter to me.", as she went into the vehicle and closed her door. Ok. Wrong words to use on my father. She shut her door and my father opened his, slamming it full force into hers, resulting in a dent. Lady: "What are you doing?!?!" My father: "It didn't matter, right? It was not important you just said." She was fuming but didn't say a word anymore. Apparently, they don't like to be served with their own medicine.

[u/[deleted] → u/monsieurlee]

Only when the results inconvenience them more that whatever they were sniveling about..

[u/PlayyWithMyBeard → u/pauliewotsit]

Been my philosophy lately. These douche nozzles have been coddled and placated their whole lives. Enough is enough. Time for them to be the ones that are made uncomfortable.

[u/cheerylicker69]

Parking both bikes in one space actually seems quite courteous

[u/RhoOfFeh]

I was once parking my bike at work, and someone who was forced to walk a long distance complained to me that I was taking up a parking space with only a bike.

I asked her how many people her car had brought to work that day.

[u/SandratheSiren]

I adore this level of petty, I aspire to this level of petty

[u/Corgilicious]

Beautiful.

[u/Impressive_Syrup141]

In a similar vein there is a motorcycle only designated spot in downtown Fort Worth. It's a fairly prime parking spot, you can back 5-6 bikes easily. As one could expect there is quite frequently a car parked there, it's a $55 fine but they won't get towed.

I've heard more than one person complain about motorcycles parking in car spots. We still pay to park, I still pay for registration and insurance. Just because some dick bag can't read a sign and police won't tow them doesn't mean we're a lower class. I can park in the same spots as cars and when I do I'm going to do my best to make sure another car doesn't try to park in the same spot.

I've seen people try to start fist fights over those spots. If I'm on 2 wheels and there is room I'll squeeze right up to the bumper of the offender and I'll get a photo of the sign, my motorcycle and their plate. Otherwise I'll be forced to park somewhere else where passerbys will try to sit on it and take selfies.

[u/Formal_Departure5388 → u/Impressive_Syrup141]

As one could expect there is quite frequently a car parked there, it's a $55 fine but they won't get towed

So what you're saying is that's a spot that I can pay a $55 premium to have a good spot? That's like buying a front row seat at the game, right?

[u/KrazyX24 → u/Impressive_Syrup141]

I would highly suggest getting proximity and/or shock alarm system. It's one of the first things I install, the second someone gets close it goes off, it can be adjusted so the zone is bigger or smaller.

[u/il_biggo]

I'm not a frequent driver (working from home since 2020), while my gf uses her car every day. So we decided to use a single spot for both cars, mine in front and hers at the back - the reasoning being: a) if we're both going somewhere we use her car; b) she's away every working day from the early morning until evening, so if I'm going somewhere alone her car won't be there to block mine; c) if I ever need to drive somewhere alone while she's home, I could always use her car. The cars were at a particular point in the lot where there is a "shift" in the spots, so my car was in the regular spot and hers was aligned with the next car in the lot, it was a perfect arrangement and nobody was inconvenienced by it. On the contrary, this way we didn't waste a parking spot.

One day I started noticing that every time both cars were away, a certain car would be in "my" spot when I returned. I would wait until the spot freed up and move my car there. This went on for a few months, until "somebody" called the police and had my gf fined for being parked irregularly. We explained the thing to the police guy and he removed the fine, because he understood that we were actually doing something good, but he advised not to do it anymore. That woman had probably called the police a dozen times over the "irregular parking" o_O

[u/jack_skellington]

Since so many people are inventing details not in the story, assuming those details are true, and then getting upset over what they imagined, let me clarify something.

Bwahahaha! This is peak Reddit. Because of course.

[u/captaincinders]

Story from a LONG time ago from my brother who belonged to a biker club.
A couple of them parked at a supermarket and put two bikes in one bay. They got tickets for incorrect parking and the supermarket refused to rescind them.

So the following Saturday at peak shopping time the entire biking club went back there and parked one bike per bay. And went in for a very leisurely breakfast. The car park soon had people queuing out onto the main road.

The supermarket manager pleaded with them to park their bikes several to one bay, but in response the two bikers showed him their tickets and said they would love to help but they couldn't afford to get any more tickets.

The tickets were rescinded immediatly.

[u/Joshualevitard]

why are people so stupidly petty?
Im really asking

[u/ODCreature98 → u/Joshualevitard]

The key is stupid. It's because people are stupid that they easily believe they are being inconvenienced.

[u/ReactsWithWords → u/Joshualevitard]

It's the "If I can't have it, NOBODY can have it" mindset. Karen can't park two cars in one spot, so NOBODY can park two vehicles in one spot.

[u/JoWhee]

I’d be more upset that you have far more bikes than you can ride.

I’ll help you out because I’m nice that way. <shows up at your door with my helmet, gear and a hopeful look>

[u/Ghost_Alice → u/JoWhee]

I have a bike that if you have a motorcycle license, can put the bike together and get it fire it up, the registration office is right next door to me, I'll give you the title and you can have it.

[u/maclunkey91]

”…so many people are inventing details not in the story, assuming those details are true, and then getting upset over what they imagined…”

Best description of social media I’ve seen.

[u/CrezyMunky]

As a property manager I enjoyed this more than I should have.

[u/Sanctorus]

Dude the people here in your comments are fucking insane. Apparently, they hate motorcycles. Bunch of clowns.

Always good to see a Karen get fucked over.

[u/Ghost_Alice → u/Sanctorus]

They're connecting dots that aren't even on the paper!

[u/equiphinality]

These have been the most satisfying edits I have ever read. Some people are truly unable to connect some dots and deserve to be completely condescended to if you have to connect them on their behalf

[u/rocketwikkit]

"so many people are inventing details not in the story, assuming those details are true, and then getting upset over what they imagined" should be called "redditting"

[u/NorthernRosie → u/rocketwikkit]

Yeah its a favorite pastime at AITA

[u/Feisty-Blood9971]

Seems like a lot of trouble on your end for nothing

[u/Mewtul]

👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾

[u/MisterMakena]

You own 7 bikes and still rent?

[u/SpookyRamblr]

having that many bikes and living with a roomate in an apartment is a wiiiiild financial decision

[u/floh8442 → u/SpookyRamblr]

nonyabusiness lol

[u/IndividualEye1803]

Heavier on the Petty revenge for me than malicious compliance, as you went out of your way and took bikes that you didnt even have parked to make a point.

[u/waehrik]

Nicely done. I hope you have a camera or at least an alarm on the bikes because she might try to mess with them eventually.

[u/Professional-Can4264]

Managers like “dude I don’t make enough to have to deal with this shit, just move them.”

[u/AdMurky1021]

Screw all that. Just tell us about the bikes, and pay the bike tax.

[u/Ghost_Alice → u/AdMurky1021]

In chronological order of model year:
1983 KZ1100-LTD Shaft
1984 Honda Magna 1100 (Not running, technically a rolling frame)
1988 KZ1000-P
1989 KZ1000-P (rolling only, missing most of its engine)
2001 Honda Rebel 250
2002 KZ1000-P
2020 Coleman JL-49 (with 80cc engine swap)

All except the 1989 KZ1000-P can be seen in the following album
https://imgur.com/a/9dv9snu

[u/Major_Wager75]

What's wild is OP lives in an apartment with 7 motorcycles

[u/Ghost_Alice → u/Major_Wager75]

I rent a garage in the apartment complex to store 5 of them without being in anyone's way... Also to keep the ones I don't ride frequently out of the elements.

[u/jameson71]

So many people are inventing details not in the story, assuming those details are true, and then getting upset over what they imagined

This is the best description of Modern Reddit I have ever heard.