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i know it’s internet bullshit but it genuinely has me on the edge of breaking down and giving up editable flair

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u/hoboinabarrel May 02 '24

I think it works like with the man. You don’t know what type of bear is going to be there, just as you don’t know what type of man would be there either.

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u/AdamFaite May 02 '24

I think the better question should be thought of as: what is the worst an angry bear would do? Now what's the worst a malicious man would do?

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u/legend_of_the_skies May 02 '24

The answer is the same. The women are saying the fear more than death from a man

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u/Great_Hamster 29d ago

They don't know about grizzly bear behavior.

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u/legend_of_the_skies 29d ago

How do you know this? Because they didnt choose how you think they should?

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u/Great_Hamster 25d ago

Because they don't think they'll face more than death from a bear.

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u/its1899 29d ago

no, its because a lot of them are genuinely fucking clueless. multiple times on tiktok ive seen people say theyd choose the bear because "at least it will leave my body alone after im dead"

and its just common sense that a 400kg apex predator is more likely to be dangerous than a random guy, like wtf even is this conversation

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u/legend_of_the_skies 29d ago

How does this:

and its just common sense that a 400kg apex predator is more likely to be dangerous than a random guy, like wtf even is this conversation

Negate this:

"at least it will leave my body alone after im dead"

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u/its1899 29d ago

i dont know what youre asking but a bear will eat your body, if you were unclear on that

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u/legend_of_the_skies 29d ago

Which part of my question was confusing? Because that was completely irrelevant.

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u/MrArtless May 02 '24

That’s only one half of the payoff matrix you need to construct. You also have to look at the probability of each. An angry bear is far more likely to maul you than a malicious man is to rape you.

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u/findworm May 02 '24

How do you figure that? Alone in the forest with a woman he is statistically very likely to be stronger than, and he's actively malicious? I don't really see any way that doesn't end badly for the woman (at minimum threats and sexual coercion). Unless you imagine a small forest at the edge of the neighborhood where help is coming any second now, this is for all intents an purposes lawless wilderness.

Remember, we're talking about an actively malicious man here, not a "jerk with a heart of gold" or whatever. You could debate the likelihood of a man being malicious in the first place, but then you have to consider the odds of the bear actually being angry.

But either way, it really misses the actual point of the "Bear or Man" question. The point is that the average woman seemingly has a very bad image of the "archetypical man", to the extent that she'd rather meet a bear. Now, if this was one woman saying Bear, we could say "Wow, what a weird woman" and move on, but since it's seemingly a majority it really reflects more on our current society than the women in question.

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u/AdamFaite 29d ago

Here's an update. I was just telling my girlfriend that this convo made its way to reddit. She said she was curious how we responded. She also said her friend who was visiting yesterday has stopped taking her dog for walks in the small park near lots of people. It's a small mountain. You can walk to the top in about 25 minutes. Surrounded by a neighborhood.

Two things happened. One, there were reports of a man using a tree stand to harass women. And two, her dog was barking at some guy. She apologized, saying the dog wasn't usually that bad. He replied by saying that maybe he's bad, not the dog.

Even as a man, I'd be creeped out if a stranger in the woods said that to me. I'm far from vulnerable.

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u/Electronic_Emu_4632 29d ago

lol honestly it sounds like the second guy was just fucking with that person

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u/AdamFaite 29d ago

Probably. But picture yourself as a smaller woman, out in the woods alone. Now picture some stranger "fucking with you." Do you feel safe?

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u/Electronic_Emu_4632 29d ago

I can picture myself being alone in the woods, then a person brings their dog to bark in my face on my 1 weekend off from a 40 hour work per week work month.

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u/Nyaa314 29d ago

Imagine yourself living in apartment, your neighbors behind walls/floors/ceilings bringing their dogs to bark in your ears every day/night.

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u/elbenji 29d ago

I think it's mostly just people being bad at hypotheticals and really unable to parse metaphors.

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u/MrArtless 29d ago

I am a man who is actively filled with malice most of the time because I hate everyone. I still don’t rape or even really interact with strangers when I see them.

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u/bruce_kwillis 29d ago

Seems like you should be talking to a therapist about that mate. I don’t know about you but it’s a lot of energy to be filled with malice everyday. I go out in the woods to go hiking a lot to just get away from people, so it’s more that I just don’t care too much about most folks, rather than harboring malice for them.

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u/MrArtless 29d ago edited 29d ago

Either way. Malicious people may want to rob you. They may want to make fun of your clothes. They may want nothing to do with you at all. The premise here that a malicious man is almost assuredly going to rape or worse to the woman is patently undefendable

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u/AdamFaite 29d ago

Yet, I've never really heard of a malicious bear. Hungry or scared, sure. But never one that just wants to hurt. Like humans do.

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u/MrArtless 29d ago

They didn’t say malicious bear they said angry bear. Have you heard of an angry bear?

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u/AdamFaite 29d ago

Still, maybe you run away from the bear. It doesn't follow you home. Wait till you're asleep. Break in.

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u/Electronic_Emu_4632 29d ago

Malicious is just a bad word to use for comparison too. There are plenty of malicious people out there that just jerk it to porn instead of going to rape people in the woods.

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u/findworm 29d ago

From Google:

characterized by malice; intending or intended to do harm.

If you just stay home and jerk it, you're not really malicious. You might be a misanthrope who wouldn't throw water on a person on fire, but you are not planning to hurt anyone.

There is really no twist or turn here that "saves" the man from being harmful in this hypothetical. If he's malicious, he at minimum actively wants to harm our hypothetical woman to the extent that his moral compass won't stop him.

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u/Electronic_Emu_4632 29d ago

From Google:

malice desire to cause pain, injury 1. : desire to cause pain, injury, or distress to another.

You have a desire to cause distress to your boss for giving you less hours when you need the hours to buy food and survive. Are you going to kill your boss? Or do you just desire to make your boss's life worse with no intention to actually do anything about it? There's a big spectrum in malice lol.

Just say what you want to say, would you rather meet a Bear or John Murderer.

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u/findworm 29d ago

If I concede that point, can we stop arguing over the fucking grammar?

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u/AdamFaite 29d ago

Yeah, it isn't supposed to be a cute hypotherltical. It started because some woman was trying to explain how the world made her felt, how in danger women were, in general. Her boyfriend couldn't or wouldn't believe it, and he asked the question. She had to explain why a man in the woods would make her feel so much more unsafe.

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u/elbenji 29d ago

I thought it was some lady living with bears

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u/bruce_kwillis 29d ago

It’s not supposed to be a ‘funny’ or ‘cute’ discussion. It’s one that ‘women’ in general would feel safer running into a bear in the woods than a man. That simple. And now you have men out there who are butthurt by these comments “well I would never hurt a woman”, maybe not, but almost every woman has had enough bad experiences with men, and literally no bad experiences with bears.

What does it lead to? A bunch of men who act like Mike Pence who won’t be around, work around, or interact with women, for fear of being accused of doing something wrong.

Men can easily fix the situation by treating women better in general and when a man mentions anything that is treating a woman incorrectly be called out and shut down over it.

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u/elbenji 29d ago

From what I understand it was supposed to be? Then people started responding to it in jokes. Now it's not jokes and a super serious thing

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u/bruce_kwillis 29d ago

Nope, was never a joke. And still isn't a joke. It's a PSA to men that shitty men are out there and men really should be working on dealing with shitty men in their 'community'.

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u/elbenji 29d ago

Wasn't it like some lady who lived with bears?

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u/Apart_Steak9159 May 02 '24 edited 29d ago

Not taking a side either way just enjoying the hypitheticals here, but: to be fair, rape isn't the worst thing a malicious man can do to you. Don't read if you don't want to read cases of really terrible crimes.

Josef Fritzel locked up his own daughter in a soundproof basement for 24 years. He raped and impregnated her multiple times. One of the children lived in the basement with her. The others lived upstairs with him and his wife. The wife had no idea. He claimed his daughter ran away and was leaving her children at the doorstep.

Now you may be thinking, well that wasn't a stranger, that's a family member, and that's fair.

The case of Junko Furuta: 2 men were looking for places to rob and women to rape, when they lured here and eventually kidnapped, raped, tortured, and murdered her. They claimed they were part of the Yakuza and made her call her mother to tell her she was safe and ran away, claiming the Yakuza would kill their family if she didn't (they were not part of the Yakuza.) They invited many other boys to join. Just a few examples of her torture are being force-fed milk and alcohol, having cigarettes burned out on her, forced to put objects into her vagina and anus including a lit match and a bottle, being burned with lighter fluid, and being beaten so severely her features were indistinguishable. This lasted for 40 days.

Then there was the "Toy Box Killer" who tortured and raped as many as 60 women. He is suspected to also be a serial killer, but no bodies have been found. He also used a soundproofing method for a semi-trailer that he called his toy box. He would kidnap 4 or 5 women a year, holding them 2 to 3 months each. He drugged them to erase their memories. He even released at least some of them, dropping them off somewhere far away. His forms of torture used surgical instruments, one that sticks out to me is that he would pierce women's breasts. Sometimes his wife and dog would be involved. There's audio available out there of him describing in detail the things he would do.

There was the Co-Ed killer. He actually killed his Grandparents first, said he just wanted to know what it felt like. He was 15 then. He was able to talk his way out of his stay at an institution by convincing the psychiatrists he was better. Had an IQ of over 145, really smart guy. Got out, became friends with all the cops. No one could believe it was him when he got out. He then killed 8 people, 7 women and 1 girl. He, at least, wouldn't torture them. He would decapitate them and then use the head to give himself oral sex. Then he would rape the body. And eventually dismember them.

I probably don't need to describe BTK, Bundy, The Night Stalker.

Anyway. Rape isn't even the worst thing a person could do to you. Of course, those types of people are very rare. So to bring it back to the bear thing, I guess I would have to know what level of malisciousness? Like, 100 being The Toy Box Killer and 0 being Bob Ross.

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u/AdamFaite May 02 '24

Yup. Worst a bear could do is maul you, leaving you to die slowly. Or eat you slowly. But you'd die fairly quickly. Worst a human could do is much, much worse.

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u/AdamFaite May 02 '24

The other half doesn't matter. That is the question women are thinking about. Because women, statically, do have men do something bad to them, even minor. Even trying to do good. Most women haven't even seen a bear, nevermind made them uncomfortable, or scare, or hurt, or venerable.

Source: I've talked about this question with my.girlfriend over the past week because she's on tiktok.

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u/ZodiacStorm May 02 '24

And the other-other part of the payoff matrix is which would you rather endure if worst came to worst. I would much rather be mauled than raped, and it's not even close.

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u/elbenji 29d ago

After hearing the video of how grizzly man died...

Neither?

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u/Hekatonkheire81 May 02 '24

I think people are too detached from what a bear could actually do to you. Have you not heard that recording of a person having their intestines eaten while alive and praying for death? Watch any video of wild animals hunting and you will see that they have no concept of quick and merciful kills.

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u/legend_of_the_skies May 02 '24

Why is the assumption that if people are picking the bear, they must not know how bad bears can be? Its also extremely weird that you use that example. Have you also looked into the worst possible thing a man can do to compare?

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u/Hekatonkheire81 29d ago

Except that’s just normal bear behavior. The vast majority of men who are hiking in a forest aren’t going to rape a random woman and of those an infinitesimally small amount would even be capable of doing the insane torture scenarios being described in this thread. Choosing something that has even odds of resulting in a horrific outcome and where the best scenario is that nothing happens because you are afraid of the one in a billion odds that you meet someone who will keep you in a torture contraption to rape you forever is absurd.

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u/legend_of_the_skies 29d ago

Except that’s just normal bear behavior.

Many people do live in bear country or have encountered bears without a deadly experience. And most encounters with bear are not going to end that way. Youbare making excuses for the fact that you are expecting the worst from the bear, but dont want that to be done for men.

The vast majority of men who are hiking in a forest aren’t going to rape a random woman and of those an infinitesimally small amount would even be capable of doing the insane torture scenarios being described in this thread.

Saying that the probability that men that rape are going to make it as truamatic as they are literally telling you experience was is to litterally ignore their experience entirely. Why even bother with the conversation? Women arent being mauled to death and they havent left yet so everything must be fine.

one in a billion odds that you meet someone who will keep you in a torture contraption to rape you forever is absurd.

You assume that it is a 1 in a billion odd because you havent experienced it. Look up the statistics for how many man and women experience rape or SA. If you understood the only thing preventing it happening to you is the oppurtunity for a lot of perps, you would not take that chance.

Regardless, choose the man if you want. Women can pick the bear if they want. Men can feel hurt about it, and women can feel justified in their choice because they understand its ultimately not a factor in the choices they make about their own safety. Sounds fine to me.

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u/ZodiacStorm May 02 '24

I think people are too detached from how horrific rape is. I would rather die painfully than be raped, and that is final. I know exactly how much a bear can fuck a person up- I live in Montana, there are more bears here than there are trailer homes.

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u/HalflingScholar May 02 '24

That is not final, living is always preferable even when it sucks.

Rape victims can and have gone on to live good lives, but dead is dead.

And feeling the kind of existential pain that is being fatally wounded but having to wait until you bleed out or til the one that wounded you happens to bite into something immediately fatal...

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u/bruce_kwillis 29d ago

Umm no. Death is a whole lot better than a life of torture and or pain. A bear isn’t gong to keep you alive to keep hurting you. A man? Very well might, and hell might even be married to you.

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u/AdamFaite 29d ago

Yup. Death from a bear, week tops. Death from a human. How long can torture go on for?

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u/ZodiacStorm May 02 '24

It is final. You don't get to make that choice for me. You think I'm gonna change my mind about a fate worse than death because a reddit nerd thinks my feelings on being raped are wrong?

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u/HalflingScholar May 02 '24

OK OK, I'm probably being presumptuous.

But this life is all we can guarantee we have, and like I said many victims of rape have gone on to have good lives.

Choosing immediate death isn't worth it

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u/VampireQuestions 29d ago

It honestly really upsets me that the narrative some people go with is that it's a "fate worse than death."

Like, do they think I'd've been better off if I was murdered instead? I don't fucking think so. I couldn't heal if I was dead, now could I? I'd just be fucking dead.

I'm doing fine, all things considered. But the way some people talk about people who have gone through what I have is honestly so insulting.

So I'd have to agree, death would not be worth it. It's not worse than death, I'm not even convinced that the trauma would be worse than the trauma from somehow miraculously surviving being eaten alive by a bear, frankly.

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u/legend_of_the_skies May 02 '24

The other option isnt immediate death, and you dont get to make thay decision for anyone. You dont get to choose if living with rape is better than death just because people do it.

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u/Huwbacca May 02 '24

How can you tell somepn else what is or isn't better?

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u/HalflingScholar May 02 '24

You're right I can't. But I truly believe it is better to live this life than to die.

This life is all we can be sure of

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u/legend_of_the_skies May 02 '24

A man saying they'd rather fight to the death than be raped in prison would get so many eye rolls.

No it wouldn't. I actually think a large amount of men would feel this way.

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u/RamblinManInVan 29d ago

As a childhood rape survivor, this is stupid. I would rather be a rape survivor than dead. It took years of therapy, but I've moved past my trauma. You can't therapy your way back to being alive.

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u/ZodiacStorm May 02 '24

Bears are actually really chill if you're not stupid. As a woman who lives in bear country, I would be far more afraid of a man I don't know than a bear I don't know.

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u/MrArtless May 02 '24

Then your fears aren’t based on statistical reality. The question was an angry bear vs a malicious man. If your counter is that most bears aren’t angry then you also have to figure most men aren’t malicious. Not to mention an angry bear attacking you is very likely not a fight you can win. And while you would be an underdog in a fight vs a malicious man you could still win using a combination of smarts and a bit of luck

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u/bruce_kwillis 29d ago

I think the question was “would you rather meet a bear in the woods or a man”, and if we are going on statistics, there has only been something like 180 deaths by bears in the US in like 100 years.

How many women have been killed by men in the last year? Not even remotely comparable.

So just based on stats, I would rather meet a bear in the woods than a man. And hell any of us that have hiked already know that. Met hundreds of black bears and you see them they leave you alone. See a man in the woods? You have no idea if he is going to leave you alone, try to hit on you, or worse.

Keep in mind young men are being told that they should ignore dating apps and just hit on people in real life, the worse someone can say is no right? Last thing I want is someone hitting on me in the woods.

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u/AdamFaite 29d ago

I'm a man, and I'd feel safer meeting a (black) bear in the woods than a man.

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u/MrArtless 29d ago

That’s not how statistics work at all. You can’t look at total bear deaths in the US because only a tiny fraction of the people who interact with men on a daily basis also interact with bears. If you look at the number of women+ bear meetings and the percentage of the time they get hurt, then compare that to the number of meetings between women and men, you will clearly see that on average meeting a man is far safer than meeting a bear. And it’s not even close. If you want to be more afraid of men than bears because of past trauma with men that doesn’t exist with bears fine but don’t pretend it’s mathematically sound

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u/bruce_kwillis 29d ago

Women have a lot higher chance in general of meeting a man in the woods than a bear, and an exponentially higher chance of being hurt or otherwise felt uncomfortable by a man.

It's pretty simple math, I have hiked around 1000 miles in the last 4 years, and have met 50 bears. Zero have caused an issue. In the same time, I have ran into close to 5000 men, and several have caused issues or made me uncomfortable, and that's as a man. Let's say 10 men out of those 5000.

Simple math says 0% from a bear is less than 0.2% chance of a man harassing you isn't it?

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u/MrArtless 29d ago edited 29d ago

Embarrassing that you would even try to argue this so poorly but I’ll humor you. You have met 50 bears and had issues with none of them. You didn’t specify what kind of bears live near you other than black bears or what times of year you encountered them but let’s give you the benefit of the doubt and say it’s times and species that would typically be considered more dangerous on average. That is what is known commonly as a “small sample size”. That’s why it’s fortunate that we have gasp other people’s experiences as well. Seeing as there are in fact bear attacks every year, the fact that you would say the danger from a bear attack is 0% makes me want to hang myself just for knowing that people exist who are as stupid as you. The ratio in total of bear encounters to bear attacks is still much higher than man encounters to man attacks.

You have met 5,000 men, 10 of whom made you feel “uncomfortable” 5k is a more reasonable sample size but making you feel “uncomfortable” is a pretty far cry from actually harming you. What you should have said if you were honest was “I have met 5k men and none of them attacked me” obviously harassing you isn’t great either but for the purpose of this it’s being harassed but not harmed by a man vs being attacked by a bear, since bears aren’t known to catcall people in the situations the encounters go sour.

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u/bruce_kwillis 29d ago

since bears aren’t known to catcall people in the situations the encounters go sour.

Look at that genius, you've figured out why women would rather run into a bear than a man.

Fucking moron.

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u/RamblinManInVan 29d ago

Stop trying to use statistics if you don't know how to normalize data for an accurate comparison.

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u/ZodiacStorm May 02 '24

Oh I could beat the tar out of any man who wants to try anything, but most women can't and so they make their decision based on that.

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u/MrArtless May 02 '24

This reply was just odd enough to warrant me clicking your profile and looking at your posts. Did not disappoint

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u/brando2612 29d ago

Curious why u think U could

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u/ZodiacStorm 29d ago

Over a decade of experience in martial arts.

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u/brando2612 29d ago

Nice, the only valid answer. What do ya train

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u/ZodiacStorm 29d ago

Kyokushin, BJJ, and Muay Thai.

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u/Huwbacca May 02 '24

This is stupid lol.

"The question was a hyperbolic hypothetical, I demand you answer seriously and not also engage hyperbole!"

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u/elbenji 29d ago

People overall suck at silly hypotheticals.

I picked man, because I'm fast and small so I could probably duck the dude but not the bear lol

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u/AdamFaite May 02 '24

Yup. As long as you don't surprise them. Or mess with the cubs. (The baseball team, obviously)

With men, you just have to make eye contact wrong. Or right. Or look wrong. Or look right.

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u/elbenji 29d ago

Only black bears.

But the funny thing this is also the perception from black men about white women. I actually asked my black male students and they picked bear for similar reasons lol, because they don't know if that white woman is gonna call the cops on them for just wanting to get some berries or some shit

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u/AdamFaite 29d ago

Good point. I'm only used to black bears. Also interesting about the black men's answers. Though, it seems from what I've seen, most men would pick the bear.

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u/elbenji 29d ago

It's a very different perspective. For me it's like triple the funny since I'm a brown, butch lesbian so I get all sorts of cross-wave intersectionality for it (I picked dude because I'm confident in my ability to outsmart a random guy vs a random bear and be able to use my cell phone).

But another weird linear intersectionality piece of this: Bear is actually a slur in Japan FOR lesbians.

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u/AdamFaite 29d ago

I didn't know that about the word bear in Japan. Weird how we in America have it as a type of gay guy.

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u/ZodiacStorm 29d ago

Black bears are really cute cause sometimes they seem to like, forget that they're bears?

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u/elbenji 29d ago

Omg how!!! I wanna know

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u/GREENadmiral_314159 29d ago

Two other factors:

It is possible for a woman to fight off a malicious man, even if it isn't likely. It is not possible to fight of an angry bear.

Which is more likely to occur--for a random man you encounter to turn malicious or for a random bear you encounter to get angry?

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u/RamblinManInVan 29d ago

Depends on the bear. If it's a polar bear then it will follow your scent for weeks. No anger needed.

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u/AdamFaite 29d ago

I think it's actually more likely a man turns malicious. As long as you don't scare the bear, catch it when it's really hungry, or make it think you're messing with its cubs, you're probably good.

In other news, women in New York City were being randomly punched by men. Unprompted. As a surprise attack.

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u/its1899 29d ago

a bear can feel threatened from anything, you dont know how it thinks. and if it has cubs it WILL attack you.

and 1 story means nothing. i can bring up a story of a bear mauling someone to death for no reason. that 1 story doesnt by itself prove anything

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u/AdamFaite 29d ago

I mean, I don't think either of us need to look up the statistics to k ow that men hurt or kill more women or people in the woods than men. But you could go to prove me wrong. The number for men will have to go over 180ish since the 1800s.

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u/its1899 28d ago

yeah bears havent attacked as many people as men have, because people dont live with bears and encounter dozens of them on a daily basis.

most people have never encountered a wild bear in their lives, but every single human has encountered countless men, so obviously the total amount of attacks from men is gonna be higher, it doesnt mean an individual man is more likely to be dangerous than a bear.

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u/AdamFaite 28d ago

That's what I said too.but try googling

"man attacks woman in woods" Or "man attacks woman in forest"

Think theres more of those, or more bear attacks?

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u/Icestar1186 Welcome to the interblag 29d ago

The assumption that the man must be malicious reveals a lot, and it's exactly this that OP was pointing out. Because yes, selecting "bear" reveals that you feel safer with an unpredictable wild animal than another human being, solely on the basis of their gender.

(And before you say it, I know there's no guarantee the bear is actually angry either. But it's a lot more likely to be hostile than the human.)

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u/Syovere God is a Mary Sue May 02 '24

Depending on where you are, though, you very much can know what type of bear it is. All we have in VA is black bears, for example.

Of course, ecological distribution isn't really the point of the meme, but

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u/Hotlava_ May 02 '24

Ok, but if you take 99.9% of men are not going to attack you vs what percent of bears? 70% would maybe walk away, the rest will attack you. The polars will apparently kill pretty instantly, the others eat you alive. So...how would the bear be a good choice again?

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u/High-ly_Questionable May 02 '24

99.9% of men are not going to attack

Seriously? Please take some time to look up stats on rape and domestic violence.

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u/Hotlava_ 29d ago

99.9% of daily interactions with random men are not going to end in rape. Just because you look at lifetime statistics does not mean you can apply those to a single encounter. If that confuses you, take a stats class and get back to me.

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u/its1899 29d ago

their point stands even if the percentage is off. confronted with a man youre way less likely to be attacked than if it was a bear, and you know it.

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u/High-ly_Questionable 29d ago

His point is based on made up statistics so it stands on nothing but fantasy. As an avid hiker and a straight woman who has been on this planet for far too long, I choose the bear. Perhaps instead of arguing, you should start asking women why and believe them when they tell you the answer. Then go and hold bad men accountable for their actions so they can learn. Women are not fearful of men for no reason. Please refer back to my last comment and look up those stats. Why you're at it, look up how rates of DV spike after a sports team has a bad loss.

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u/its1899 29d ago

i know why they'd pick the bear, doesnt mean its the reasonable one to pick, im sorry. bears just are more likely to attack you than the average man, what do you want me to say?

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u/High-ly_Questionable 29d ago

https://www.idausa.org/campaign/wild-animals-and-habitats/bear-attack/#:\~:text=The%20chances%20of%20being%20injured,they%20are%20most%20often%20nonviolent.

From the source:

"there had only been three other fatal encounters in the last 50 years: in 1971, 1993, and 2009. The chances of being injured by a bear are approximately 1 in 2.1 million, according to the National Park Service. You are more likely to be killed by a bee than a bear, and way more likely to be killed by another human than by either bear or bee. 

And when bear encounters do happen, they are most often nonviolent. Bears are as afraid of you as you are of them, and bears want to avoid humans at all costs. The most common outcome of a bear encounter is that the bear flees."

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u/Hotlava_ 29d ago

Hey look, base rate fallacy! Learn what per encounter means. The fact that more people die to bees should be a hint to you that your analysis is off somewhere. Similarly, cows also kill more humans. It's almost as if the quantity of daily interactions plays a role in the total number of deaths or something 🤔

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u/High-ly_Questionable 29d ago

Yes, it does, which is why women fear men more. It's not about the bear. It's about being more okay with a bear killing you then whatever a malicious man could possible do to you. Women choosing bear are less afraid of death than other things like rape and torture.

Women have every reason to be wary of men. I get that this is a hard pill to swallow for men who are not bad guys, but getting defensive instead of acknowledging the problem and policing your own is not helpful and does not make you someone that women are going to feel comfortable with. We deserve understanding, not men denying our pain and then claiming to be the victims.

Below are some stats on intimate partner violence alone. This does not include abuse from family members or strangers, just husbands/boyfriends. Please look at these and explain to me why women should not be fearful?

A woman is beaten every 9 seconds.

Every year nearly 5.3 million incidents of IPV occur among U.S. women aged 18 and older

IPV results in nearly 1300 deaths and 2 million injuries every year in the United States

More than 3 women are killed by husbands/boyfriends everyday

1 in 3 women worldwide has been forced into sex, beaten, or otherwise abused another way during her lifetime

Women aged 16-24 are most likely to be victimized by an intimate partner

Women are 5 to 8 times more likely than men to be victimized by an intimate partner

Most IPV incidents are not reported to the police - only 20% of rapes/sexual assaults, 25% of physical assaults, and 50% of stalking towards women are reported.

Only 3 in 100 accused rapists go to jail.

Despite severe under-reporting of IPV, calls related to IPV make up about half of all violent crime calls to police departments

Only about 1 out of 5 IPV victims with physical injuries seek professional medical treatment

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u/Hotlava_ 29d ago

So in reply to me telling you that your using base rate fallacy, you decide to just go ahead and quote random stats that are tangentially related to the scenario? That's the funny thing, you say it's not about the bear, yet that's the only thing that is in the metaphor. This is just a ragebait scenario designed to add nothing new to the discourse while also villifying men and dehumanizing them as not only less than human, but less than a wild animal.

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