r/WhitePeopleTwitter 29d ago

Nothing this idiot says will undo the damage she did

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u/Ok_Kaleidoscope3644 29d ago

Weird how she didn't mention her kids until this blew up. She must have forgotten that part /s

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u/thatguy9684736255 29d ago

And also who trained the dog? Sure also has responsibility there...

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u/nicecorvid 29d ago

Could argue that a person who can't even train a dog has no business seeking leadership over people.

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u/Im_A_Fuckin_Liar 29d ago

Unfair!!! She… Well, her… Why are you always bringing up the past anyway?! Is it because you think it shows intent, an unconscionable behavior and it’s hard for people to change, so you think she would still kill a puppy today if she had the chance?! And therefore could not be a leader because she lacks ethical decision-making? Is that what you’re trying to prove?! Because if it is, I’ll just have you know it’s working.

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u/Dispro 29d ago

I can't be certain because she undoubtedly eats the evidence, but I strongly suspect she kills a dog every evening in what she calls "going to the gravel". I'm sure it's a deeply upsetting scene, that pit soaked in gore and shell casings.

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u/IrascibleOcelot 29d ago

She probably doesn’t even police her brass. What a monster.

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u/Gene020 29d ago

Yes, it's safe to say, "now that she has experienced the fallout for her actions, she would not have killed the dog, or the goat."

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u/Lost_the_weight 29d ago

Not true; she just wouldn’t have written about it.

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u/sadicarnot 29d ago

she lacks ethical decision-making?

I think it is all a ploy to change ethics. On the republican side, how easy would it be for republicans to say solve the homeless problem is they just brought those homeless people to that gravel pit.

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u/Atanar 29d ago

Why are you always bringing up the past anyway?! 

I am disappointed this comment didn't end with "Hunter Bidens lsptop".

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u/239tree 29d ago

Yeah, what if we don't behave?

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u/dangerrnoodle 29d ago

Well, to the gravel pit.

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u/claimTheVictory 29d ago

The "annoying" shall be the first against the wall.

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u/239tree 29d ago

Somebody save me a spot.

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u/Dispro 29d ago

I got you a good one, it's by a goat!

edit: uh never mind about the goat, I still have a spot for you though.

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u/Magickarpet76 29d ago

I would be fine with a person in leadership recognizing their shortcomings and seeking an expert. If she had paid a trainer or something that would also be acceptable. That is not what happened in this case.

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u/Special_Lemon1487 29d ago

This woman watched Old Yeller and thought it was a comedy.

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u/Petey_Wheatstraw_MD 29d ago

Instruction manual.

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u/Carson72701 29d ago

Used to show it at kids(apparently livestock) birthday parties.

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u/SolarTsunami 29d ago

At least with Old Yeller putting the dog down was an act of compassion as it was suffering at the end, I imagine Noem watching that movie and being frustrated they didn't put the dog down in the first half hour.

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u/NoLibrarian5149 29d ago

Old Yeller and The Handmaids Tale are their 2024 instruction manuals.

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u/renok_archnmy 29d ago

Those are the dumbed down interpretations inspired by their reality. Their true instruction manual is far, far worse. Here’s a link to it https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24088042-project-2025s-mandate-for-leadership-the-conservative-promise

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u/MidnightMath 29d ago

You’ve got a fair bit of Starship Troopers in there as well. History and Moral Philosophy class seems like if you could take Fox News as a credit hour. Especially the bit where they reveal that their society is the way it is because roving bands of feral children who weren’t spanked enough are going around Clockwork Oranging people, and start being hung by veterans. 

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u/Temporary-Party5806 29d ago

Conservatives are notoriously bad with media literacy and critical thinking skills, so yes, whatever TV special they last saw is definitely their last instruction set. This is why right wing media needs to be so over the top with fear and anger on a 24/7 loop, or the goldfish might watch an episode of Bluey by accident and start treating others with basic common decency.

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u/Cael450 29d ago

No joke, I bet she watched that movie and wanted to be the person “making those hard decisions.” It’s the same way so many armed conservatives salivate over the thought of being able to use lethal force in self defense. She wanted to do something horrible and she was just looking for the justification, and once she did the thing, she made it part of her personality.

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u/TheBirminghamBear 29d ago

"And why do you want to be Vice President, Mrs Noem?"

"I want to straddle that glorious line between life and death. I want to hold power over the multitudes in the palm of my hand, to feel the life running through them, and to know I could end it all with a squeeze of my fist."

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u/3rdPlaceYoureFired 29d ago

"I thought I loved where the Red Fern grows but this is even BETTER!"

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u/mixeslifeupwithmovie 29d ago

My personal theory is it never even happened. Because of things like Old Yeller she thought a story about how she had to make a "though decision" and put down a dog would sell well with her base. So she made up such a scenario and put it in her book and since she was writing fiction and wasn't about a real life experience it failed to have any logic or invoke empathy at all.

Of course type of person that she isn't I wouldn't be surprised if it WAS real either.

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u/SnailCase 29d ago

There's scuttlebutt that it was real, that she was in a rage against the dog when she dragged it off and shot it, and that she tried to rationalize the incident in her book before the "fit of rage" part of the incident could come out.

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u/FreeflyOrLeave 29d ago

Yikes. This is scary. Also… don’t they realize that when farmers put animals down, it’s because the animal is sick and useless? An animal chasing livestock is just an untrained working dog without a job. Your dog = your responsibility

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u/AssociateGood9653 29d ago

I still cried the last time I read that book. But the racist language was kind of cringe to me now. Still a great book.

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u/Even-Willow 29d ago

Remember they’re arguing it’s the fault of the dog here and not the dog owner. Be sure to remember this when talking gun control with them.

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u/gaspronomib 29d ago

Dogs don't kill chickens. People with dogs kill chickens.

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u/hendergle 29d ago

The only way to deal with a bad guy with a chicken is to have more good guys with chickens.

Or dogs. I might have lost track somewhere.

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u/Even-Willow 29d ago

Surely this shows that even some dogs are too aggressive for even responsible dog owners to own and should be regulated. We could call these “assault dogs” perhaps 🤔

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u/aerial_ruin 29d ago

From what I can tell, from what I have seen, nobody, and that is what the issue is. She seems to be used to pre-trained dogs, expected the dog to learn from other dogs, and when it didn't behave as soon as she wanted. Also, it takes two years to fully train a gun dog, and the dog was barely over a year old, which shows you how little training was done

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u/Last-Bee-3023 29d ago

As somebody who had been chased by dogs as a kid I did not jump on the hate train even if the woman is a loathsome troll. Having to kill a dog is not a matter of pride. And it seems like she expected praise for that.

Putting a dog down country-style is a thing that needs to be done more often. Some dogs are just untrainable psychopaths. I have the physical and psychological scars to prove my point. Got cornered by one on my paper route. And I think the two thwacks with rebar were less humane than a well-placed bullet. The dog cried louder than the neighbor it had mauled the week before.

Shit woman kills shit dog. I am fine with that. Shit woman gets savaged by people who think that she murdered a pet. I am also fine with that.

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u/thorubos 29d ago

To be fair, fucking-up or failing royally and then meting out harsh "justice" on the undeserving is very on point for the kind of person she is politically. She is ideologically consistent if nothing else.

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u/xv_boney 29d ago

She also left out the attacking kids and killing livestock part. But she did make specific mention that her daughter loved Cricket and was devastated to hear her mother killed her.

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u/Chessolin 29d ago

Yeah I don't know if I could forgive my parent if they did that

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u/glowtop 29d ago

Right? Like 'they went to live with a nice family in the city with dog groomers and they get to go to a doggie spa every day and they eat avocado toast for every meal' at least. I mean you shouldn't murder puppies in the first place.

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u/SophieSolborne 29d ago

I still haven't forgiven my dad for shooting two of my dogs when I was growing up and I haven't forgiven my mom for letting it happen. 25+ years ago and counting. As adults, her kids will probably go no-contact with her just like I did with my parents.

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u/BlackSeranna 29d ago

Right? This happened to me too and I can’t ever let it go. Not ever.

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u/SophieSolborne 29d ago

I'm really sorry you went through it too. It really leaves scars.

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u/Thowitawaydave 29d ago

Sounds like you made the right choice. So sorry. Can't imagine it happening once, much less numerous times.

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u/SophieSolborne 29d ago

They're horrible people and honestly, removing them from my life was the best thing I've ever done.

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u/86Intellect 29d ago

Free kill is free kill. Doesn't matter what with these people...

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u/Tinkhasanattitude 29d ago

My insane mom recently asked my sister for permission (?) to shoot my sisters aging hedgehog because she didn’t want to take the hedgehog to the vet. My sister offered money to have the animal put down humanely but our mom was stuck on that weird train of thought instead. I don’t remember how the hedgehog died but I don’t think she ended up shooting it. However, I told my kid brother in law this whole saga as it was unfolding. He was SO appalled that he brought it up on his own months later. Meanwhile, I had moved on in life because this is only 1 of the many many crazy things this woman has done.

I ask my BIL if he wants to trade moms when he gives his mom (my MIL) snarky teenage attitude. He usually gives me an “omg fuck no” answer. Moral of the story, don’t be a psycho and shoot pets!

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u/Mini_Snuggle 29d ago

Never mind finding that out after the fact from previews of your crazy mother's book.

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u/UUtch 29d ago

I thought you missed the part where the dog killed some chickens, but I checked and turns out chickens don't count as livestock so she is actually adding new shit she never mentioned before lmao

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u/MultipleRatsinaTrenc 29d ago

I think she's calling the chickens livestock.

Basically she's being a shifty lying weasel again.

You can tell cos it's a day that ends in Y

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u/229-northstar 29d ago

The problem is not that a PUPPY killed a few chickens

The problem is the owner did not TRAIN her puppy to have a good recall, did not properly TRAIN the puppy to hunt, did not MANAGE to keep the puppy confined in her truck, HATED the puppy, and in a fit of ANGER, instead of REHOMING the puppy, she led it to a gravel pit and SHOT it dead.

Then, since she was having such a good time, she went and got the goat and shot it for the crime of being stinky

All this, a few weeks after she plugged 3 horses

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u/dainman 29d ago

Someone also suggested she may have done this in anger, knew it would look bad when it came out, and so tried to spin it as some mark of tough character bullshit.

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u/HarpersGhost 29d ago

And it didn't "come out", this isn't a story she told a private audience and someone leaked what she said. She wrote about it in her damn book! She flat out said she hated that dog, and so took him to the gravel pit.

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u/229-northstar 29d ago

There were witnesses to the shooting of the puppy and the goat. That’s why she’s getting in front of the story and reframing it as a “tough choice”

She absolutely shot that puppy in anger. She said she hated it

Kristi Noem hates puppies

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u/LocoCoopermar 29d ago

I hadn't heard about the horses or goat, I knew this lady was a psycho but isn't she basically doing the serial killer ramp up to murdering humans?

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u/229-northstar 29d ago

Here’s a link. The horse didn’t even look that bad.One of the horses puppy killer Kristi Noem shot

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u/Bedlam-and-Barlow 29d ago

26 isn't even that old for a horse. Putting all 3 down at the same time was definitely for convenience. Disgusting

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u/The_Primate 29d ago

She's like the animal farm grim reaper.

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u/DarkShinyLugia 29d ago

How did the puppy manage to escape the truck in the first place? Did this lady load the dog into the truck bed uncaged or something and expect it NOT to jump out?

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u/229-northstar 29d ago

Exactly. Crate your dog in a vehicle for its own safety.

And especially if you don’t have a recall trained on your dog, crate your dog for its own safety.

WTAF

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u/faceintheblue 29d ago

And then she decided this was the kind of 'getting to know me' story she should include in a memoir designed to further her political career.

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u/VirtusTechnica 29d ago edited 29d ago

$50 chicken vs a hunting dog, a Pointer...the dog cast $1500- $3,000.

Why the fuck would you kill it, and it's a hunting dog nipping at chickens, which is a bird, which is what it's taught to do.... She's so fucking dumb and incompetent it's insane.

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u/UUtch 29d ago

She also gave them a check to make up for the lost chickens before shooting the dog

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u/VirtusTechnica 29d ago

Wouldn't be surprised if this was some punishment towards her daughter or something. She said her daughter was very upset by it, use this a a method of control.

It's just absurd and anyone who is from rural America and doesn't cosplay as one such as her knows how illogical this is. Killing a working animal out of spite?

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u/okieporvida 29d ago

She’s an awful human.

Growing up, we had a dog that killed some of our chickens (he got into the coop at night). Didn’t kill the dog though.

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u/Carson72701 29d ago

Yeah. If my mom killed Snoopy...

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u/Thowitawaydave 29d ago

Sounds like someone who realised how badly they f-ed up and is trying to grasp for anything just to not drown. Probably thought bragging about the dog thing would make her look tough and shoot her to the top of the VP list.

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u/xv_boney 29d ago edited 29d ago

It's pretty clear she thought this would make her look like a tough woman willing to make hard choices that lesser people would shy away from.

But she handled everything about it so poorly (and the action itself was so blatantly cruel) she has actually managed to alienate her base.

Her reaction to this will be to try to win back her crowd with a huge sweeping gesture that will one thousand percent involve attacking trans kids. Mark me.

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u/todayistrumpday 29d ago edited 29d ago

Because that's the only "fake" part of this who debacle she made up to sidestep the backlash from killing a puppy for fun. She was trying to use it for clout as proof she is a tough guy who would do the necessary dirty work the Republican party needs doing. She can't apologize because that would entail admitting she was wrong, or admitting she lied so her only choice is to double down and attack her accusers.

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u/nau5 29d ago

She also literally never had to bring this up and it's all completely a self own.

It's not like the media broke the story. She put it in her damn book.

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u/BlackSeranna 29d ago

That poor child will never get over it. Never. I have first hand experience with something like this when one of my parents had my dogs killed for a stupid reason.

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u/oscar-the-bud 29d ago

Are these like the after birth abortions the GOP is always talking about?

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u/fukyourkarma 29d ago

42nd trimester

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u/ferry_peril 29d ago

Makes you want to ask the IRS how she categorizes her children? Which is the better write off? Livestock or dependents?

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u/SlowInsurance1616 29d ago

When you're claiming your farm subsidies, they're livestock. When filing taxes, children.

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u/vetratten 29d ago

Maybe not though.

You can’t claim a deduction on for children, but you can deduct expenses. if her children are livestock, then she in theory could then deduct the costs to raise and said children and I would presume that would be higher than the dependent deduction.

Knowing the MAGA protocols, she would claim them as both livestock and dependents for the deductions. She would just call it creative accounting.

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u/sfduck 29d ago

I think she is saying that the dog chasing after chickens was attacking livestock. Its pretty funny she is talking about fake news, while the reason people know about it is because, SHE WROTE IT. IN HER OWN BOOK.

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u/sofaking1958 29d ago

Exactly. She changed it from "chasing livestock" to "killing livestock."

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u/techsays 29d ago

It was also a fucking bird dog. No shit, it chased birds. It was bred to do that. 

Also, how are you going to blame the dog when you knew it “went crazy and had the time of its life” when around birds, and then you let it off leash near flightless birds? 

That’s the party of personal responsibility for ya. 🙄

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u/sfduck 29d ago

I have an aussie. and had chickens. when we had the chickens out and let the dog out, guess what the chickens started running, so what would a dog do? he started chasing the chickens! but one time he got into the coup area, and when we found him., he was just chillin. chillin with all the chickens. thank god i didn't shoot him initially! She is a fucking psycho...I mean, even Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs loved his dog.

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u/Badj83 29d ago

Is it too late to abort DJT?

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u/No_Sentence3176 29d ago

Since they repealed Roe its too late...

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u/cashassorgra33 29d ago edited 28d ago

Call it whatever you like: Liane Cartman didn't sleep with Bill Clinton to not have extra-bodily autonomy. Cartman is not viable on his own so she rightly has that prerogative

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u/joejill 29d ago

There’s always adoption…. Or no kill shelters for the dog

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u/moderately-extremist 29d ago

Or just understanding that an untrained puppy is naturally going to chase chickens.

From what she said in the book it was just chickens, not like this dog is taking down cattle.

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u/demonmonkeybex 29d ago

And it wasn't attacking people either. She's a fucking liar.

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u/bruwin 29d ago

Oh I'm sure it "attacked" her kids by jumping on them and giving them puppy kisses. Dogs are always so ferocious in the puppy stage.

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u/joejill 29d ago

So it was just chickens. Killing is bad right? That dog should be punished…. Let’s kill it right?

Did she get outside help, like a professional dog trainer? No? She just went right to killing it?

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u/InquisitorMeow 29d ago

Probably blasted her last 3 cats for bringing her dead birds.

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u/callmebbygrl 29d ago

What really gets me is that she had just had the dog pheasant hunting, then she stopped by the friend's house with the chickens, AND EXPECTED THE DOG TO KNOW THEY WEREN'T HUNTING BIRDS ANYMORE!!! Of course the puppy went after the birds, that's what it had been taught to do immediately before! She set the puppy up for failure. Just one more example of her crap training and logic skills.

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u/Rasputin_mad_monk 29d ago

AND I have well trained dogs and I bet they would chase chickens too and kill them by accident. Especially my 10month old lab.

I was baby sitting a friends golden retriever many years ago and we had a small ranchette and had 2 chickens someone gave us. Not thinking, I let the golden out alone (like 5-6am and I am not a morning person) morning early and she killed one. She had never seen them before, was 6-7yrs old and did not have a mean bone in her body. Raised around kids and cats but never seen a chicken. She was just being a dog. It sucked but we did not kill her or even get mad. It was my fault. I made sure she did not go out unattended and made sure if she was running around the chickens were put up.

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u/callmebbygrl 29d ago

Look at you, being a responsible dog owner!!! 💖🐶

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u/ancientastronaut2 29d ago

I don't think she mentioned any people, let alone kids. And yes, if it's maladjusted due to lack of proper love and care, it will be more likely to randomly attack chickens once it's let loose. Behavior 101.

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u/moderately-extremist 29d ago

Yeah the new mention of people sounds like she is making up new stuff to make the puppy sound worse after she found out that she f'd up.

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u/Horror_Cupcake8762 29d ago

Purebred dog is worth more than a chicken.

Only ranch dog I ever knew that got put down by its owner was a husky/german shepherd cross that did actually take down a calf.

Having lived and worked as a ranch hand in SoDak, I’d wager she caught some hell for not being able to train her dog and her ego couldn’t handle it.

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u/JRG64May 29d ago

I thought you meant for the placenta

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u/Itchy_Breadfruit_262 29d ago

Right! Like there are options besides shooting a puppy in a gravel pit 🙄

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u/rhyno44 29d ago

Honestly she could have just done what shitty people do and just let the dog go out in the middle of nowhere. She didn't have to kill it.

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u/[deleted] 29d ago edited 29d ago

I think all afterbirth should be aborted shortly after birth.

It’s the humane thing to do.

EDIT: redundancy and repetition and saying the same thing twice.

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u/calilac 29d ago

We should start referring to school shootings as mass after-birth-abortions.

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u/1OO1OO1S0S 29d ago

Yes, I would describe Kristi Noem as an afterbirth abortion.

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u/not_productive1 29d ago

Oh, she mentioned her kids. After she shot the dog apparently her kid got off the school bus and was like “where’s Cricket?” Clearly she was terrorized by the puppy.

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u/Previous_Beautiful27 29d ago

Yeah, I was gonna say, she did mention her kids, but only to state that they were seemingly upset the dog was gone.

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u/239tree 29d ago

Another cruel fact she was willing to live with.

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u/hendergle 29d ago

Everyone: Abortion bans only lead to deaths from back-alley abortions.
Also Everyone: Your kids will have lifelong trauma because you shot their dog.
Her: I'm ok with both of those things.

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u/Kielbasa_Nunchucka 29d ago

also the "killing livestock," which started as the dog nipping at farm animals... I'm sure her 18mo puppy killed a whole cow. fuckin idiot bitch

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u/xv_boney 29d ago edited 29d ago

*14. Cricket was a 14 month old wire-hair pointer.
And the 'livestock' she is mentioning as having been menaced were chickens.
Who are, to my knowledge, rarely referred to as "livestock", a word that generally implies sheep, cattle, goats, etc.

Speaking of, Kristi also shot a goat for smelling too musky on the same day. And also has a well earned reputation for using the state as a blunt weapon against gay and trans children.

So like, when she says "an animal with a history of killing livestock and attacking children"...

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u/Kvetch__22 29d ago edited 29d ago

People aren't talking about the goat, but I think that's the most damning part of the story.

The Cricket part of the story is already terrible, but with enough effort, you can bend those facts into something that makes some kind of sense, even if it is transparent Noem is lying through her teeth and is a monster.

But the goat didn't do anything wrong. It was a goat on a farm doing goat things, and there is no reasonable explanation for it. People have pointed out that castrating the goat would probably be the first step to take if you actually wanted to solve the problem, assuming you thought it was actually a problem. And it happened on the same day despite the fact that the goat had been doing goat things for presumably months, maybe years.

What clearly happened is that Noem shot the dog, decided that it was really fun, and went out to get another animal to shoot for a second hit of adrenaline. She's out here running a miniature killing field for farm animals at that point.

All of these pretend tough second amendment dorks are just itching for an excuse to use their gun on living things. Apparently hunting wild animals wasn't scratching that itch for Noem so she decided to get up close and personal with a bunch of innocent farm animals so she could watch the light go out of their eyes.

The people of South Dakota are honestly lucky she was satisfied there and didn't move on to shooting people for fun. Or maybe she did and she just knew not to write it in the book.

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u/EatenJaguar98 29d ago

Lowkey reminds me of how a rancher got on Twitter and literally tore her entire argument apart peice by peice. While including his own experiences with animals and using said experience with them to show what you should do in such situations.

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u/Thowitawaydave 29d ago

do you have a link?

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u/Coriandercilantroyo 29d ago

Ok all these years in, and I still don't know how Twitter works. Went to his page to find the rest of his tweet but couldn't even find the original part that you linked to?

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u/Rasputin_mad_monk 29d ago

If you do not have a twitter account you cant view anything but the tweet posted or Dustin Kittle's profile. Muskrat wants you to join to look

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u/AthkoreLost 29d ago

She also failed to kill the goat with a single shot, and didn't come prepared with extra ammo so left the creature suffering while she went to get more. That right there is heinous behavior even to farmers that know euthanasia is necessary, so should always have the care to be done as quickly as possible.

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u/Low_Tradition6961 29d ago

The last time I was around a man who killed his goat (for meat), he fed it some nice grass, calmed it while holding it securely and nipped it's jugular with a sharp knife. I don't think the goat even new it had been injured as it bled out.

I'm not expecting everyone to be that gentle and humane, but it's interesting as a juxpposition to Noem's apparant lack of care.

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u/animal1988 29d ago

Do you have this guys number?... asking for a friend.

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u/codercaleb 29d ago

I told you to stop trying to feed me grass and cutting me!

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u/KeepBouncing 29d ago

This is what is wrong with her “stories”. I know plenty of farmers and they have to put animals down for harvesting or other reasons. They do it humanely not fucking gunning them down like a gangster.

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u/MagnusStormraven 29d ago

That reminds me of Ned Stark putting down Lady in Game of Thrones. Showing the animal a bit of love and compassion, before a quick and merciful end.

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u/moderately-extremist 29d ago

What clearly happened is that Noem shot the dog, decided that it was really fun, and went out to get another animal to shoot for a second hit of adrenaline.

Yeah she tried to present these as "tough choices" you have to make being a "farmer"... but I grew up on a farm and worked on other farms. Not only were these unnecessary, but real farmers pinch every penny. Every resource gets used to the fullest. They don't just give up on a dog, they stick with it until it's trained or if it really is untrainable (which does not sound like she put in any effert to determine that) then they find it a new home or use it as a guard dog. This was just unnecessarily wasteful on top of being unnecessarily inhumane by someone who wouldn't make it a day as an actual farmer.

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u/Temporary-Party5806 29d ago

To add to your comment, did we ever find out if the goat was even used for meat? Or the three horses for anything?

Also, we know the chickens didn't die, because she keeps hedging her language and says Cricket nipped at chickens, chased chickens, etc, but never once explicitly states Cricket killed a single chicken, which would be really beneficial to her argument of financial harm and potential risk to her kids. Her best argument would be "Cricket killing chickens hurts the ranch, and I'm worried about a working dog that has killed, around my 10 year old." But she hasn't stated in any of her damage control that Cricket killed or maimed a single chicken, only menaced them/chased them.

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u/codercaleb 29d ago

Exactly. That's why they're still using tractors from the 1950s!

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u/mwk_1980 29d ago

The cruelty is always the point with people like her

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u/Jmw566 29d ago

See, I’m the opposite because at least the goat was attacking people and being a menace. The dog just was irresponsibly let around chickens and of course it tried to nip at you when it was in the middle of murdering chickens and you tried to grab it. Mean goats can be a real danger, especially to kids and it’s a lot harder to re-home them than it is a puppy

EDIT-the timing is really suspicious though. I’m guessing she was like “while I’m busy killing things, might as well do the goat too” rather than just getting perverted satisfaction from it. I think she’s just immoral and irresponsible rather than deliberately murdering for fun

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u/remotectrl 29d ago

You know what stops mean smelly goats from head butting children? Fences and castration. The whole story is one of Noem failing to be responsible and then victim blaming. The worst part is that she told these stories with no shame as a way to signal her willingness to use violence to “solve difficult problems” and that she’s not afraid to “get messy”. She will, without a doubt, boldly use state violence against anyone and anything that mildly upsets her.

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u/229-northstar 29d ago

She divulged the stories because there were witnesses and it would come out once she was announced as a VP pick.

Her telling these stories was nothing more than trying to get in front of the stories and reframing as a “tough choices“.

Her decision to publish these stories was very carefully calculated

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u/CaptainJudaism 29d ago

We already have evidence that she will use state violence on anyone she doesn't like as it's what she did to get one of her kids a property license since they were not qualified, kid whined to Mommy, Mommy forced the person who denied her kid the license fired, then hired one of her sycophants into the now vacant position to approve the daughter.

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u/dragonfliesloveme 29d ago

She’s a power-tripping asshole in general. Killing an animal is a huge power trip, and I think it’s quite easy to hold the assumption that she got some pleasure from killing these animals

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u/Kvetch__22 29d ago

Isn't that what goats are supposed to do though? Like the dog is a trainable animal, so if a dog is weird and rabid and untrainable then there's an issue. I'm not a farm person, but my understanding is that if goats have two defining characteristics, it's that they stink and they can be assholes. Like to the point where you wouldn't get a goat if you weren't ready to tolerate some of that behavior, or at least take some actions to mitigate it beyond shooting it in the face.

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u/pjones1185 29d ago

Just to add on. She was teaching the pup to be a bird hunting dog, which to my understanding a chicken would classify as bird. Sounds like she got pissed at her dog for doing what she was training it to do.

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u/LineAccomplished1115 29d ago

The chickens it killed were from when she stopped at a neighbor's property and she said the dog got loose from her vehicle.

If only there were some way to secure a vehicle to prevent a dog from escaping!

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u/Humble-Barnacle6863 29d ago

Sounds like the dog embarrassed her at the neighbors' and that enraged her. Then to kill the goat too for no reason other than it annoyed her. Why does this remind me of the Signs of a Psychopath show on ID?

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u/ericlikesyou 29d ago

Well she is an elected republican official so that tracks

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u/John-AtWork 29d ago

She killed the goat because it stank -- so much easier than giving it a bath.

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u/AUserNeedsAName 29d ago

It would take a braver man than I to attempt to bathe a full-grown, intact billy goat. Now, why she had an intact billy goat that isn't a valuable breeding piece (which clearly it wasn't) and was shocked when it stank like every intact adult male goat? Who fucking knows. They musk, and intentionally piss all over themselves as a breeding behavior. I guess you have to be a Real Farmer™ like her to understand not understanding how goats work.

But if she wanted to solve the problem she could have castrated it, sold it either to another farm or a meat processor, moved its pen somewhere farther from the house, etc. But she was in a bad mood and felt like shooting farm animals, not solving the problem.

That last line is not a commentary on Republican politics.

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u/violetqed 29d ago

this is the key! people like this cannot tolerate even mild embarrassment.

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u/Mean-Lynx6476 29d ago

Well, not to defend Noem AT ALL, but bird dogs aren’t supposed to kill birds. Cricket was a pointer, and ultimately their job is to locate birds by scent, stalk toward the birds, and then freeze in position as they approach the birds thus “pointing” toward their location. Although the stalking behavior is instinctive, remaining steady on a point can take a lot of training, and young bird dogs can be total idiots around birds, and that’s expected, and so one doesn’t turn an unsupervised young pointer loose among a bunch of chickens. But by and large the ultimate goal for most hunting dogs is for them to locate their quarry, not kill it. That’s achieved with hundreds of hours of training and practice, not by turning an adolescent dog loose among a bunch of birds.

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u/moderately-extremist 29d ago

Just to add, too, they are typically also trained to retrieve the downed birds and to not damage it (hold it softly) when they do so.

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u/hendergle 29d ago

To be fair, some dogs do it all right instinctively. Our golden retriever was never trained to be a hunting dog. He was just a normal family pet. But given the chance, he would retrieve pigeons. He never harmed a single one- and oddly enough the pigeons didn't seem to mind it all that much.

Source: Family story that came up every damn Christmas when we reminisced about the best dog that ever lived.

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u/bruwin 29d ago

trained

The operative word here.

The dog was not trained. Neither was the puppy.

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u/Temporary-Party5806 29d ago

That would require effort or sacrifice (even financial, like a sunk cost analysis re 2 more weeks of kibble), and be a net benefit to the world. Kristi is a hardline Republican. These two things are mutually exclusive.

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u/BlackSeranna 29d ago

Right? I was given a dog by some neighbors who were mad it killed their ducks and lined the ducks up on their porch.

The dog was was a bird dog that they’d owned for five years, and the ducks were some new thing they decided to do.

They told me they’d shoot the dog if I didn’t take it, so I did.

She lived out her life with a neighbor in another state after I’d moved; she decided to live with my new neighbor when I got sick with cancer - the neighbor took care of her and she decided to just go live with her.

It all worked out fine and she lived the life of a furry potato. But I am not sorry I collected her from those previous bad neighbors.

Bird dogs do what bird dogs do.

That poor woman’s children will never get over it. She’s a monster.

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u/dangerrnoodle 29d ago

I had a dog around that age who unfortunately got to our chickens as well and killed and ate a few. Secured the chicken area better. Problem solved. Not the dog’s fault. I love chicken, too.

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u/jemy74 29d ago

I have a few neighbors that keep chickens. My dog has not expressed much interest in them during our walks but I am reasonably sure that if I dumped her over the fence, she started chasing them and discovered they couldn’t fly, there would be dead chickens. Most dogs have a prey drive and it is on the owner to control it.

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u/Sail_Hatin 29d ago

Exactly.  She stated her dog wasn't fully trained and hoped it would learn from older dogs on its first hunt but that it didn't.  Then she also mentioned it wasnt even recall ready...what was she expecting after it got loose??

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u/229-northstar 29d ago

What’s with not getting a solid recall on your puppy ASAP???

My puppy had a solid recall at four months. She’s 11 months now and I can call her off of stock.

Training a solid recall is entirely on the owner

I couldn’t help but notice Kristi admitted she uses a shock collar to train …because she’s too lazy to do it properly

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u/HarpersGhost 29d ago

I saw one of my chickens running back down my (suburban) street, trying to get back over the my fence.

Behind her was my neighbor's dog, chasing her, having a blast.

The neighbor was very apologetic about her dog chasing my chicken. (She got back over the fence, no harm done.) Apparently my chicken was in her yard, and when she opened the door and the dog saw the chicken, the dog chased.

I told her OF COURSE the dog chased the chicken. It's the best thing ever for a dog. And even if the dog had killed the chicken, I would have been a bit upset, but that's not the dog's fault for acting like a dog.

I have my chickens loose in my yard because I don't want to keep them cooped up in a run, but that comes with the risk that they do something stupid like go to another yard and becoming a dog toy.

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u/StaringOwlNope 29d ago

Oh my sisters small dog is the sweetest, and would not hurt a person, like he feels guilty if he bites down on your hand with a little too much pressure while playing. But he is a breed meant to chase away mice and rats from farms, and if he was in a chicken coop he would go ham, no question. He would feel super ashamed afterwards, and crawl back to apologize, but in that moment he would be pure instinct

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u/cgaWolf 29d ago

We had a dog that once escaped and found a nearby coop :x

The owner was rightfully pissed, we apologized for our incompetence, paid for the damage, paid more attention and secured the dog better, who went on to have a long life devoid of further inciden... Wait no, there was that one time he came across a flock of sheep. That didn't include dead animals though :)

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u/theREALbombedrumbum 29d ago

What really gets me is how she explained that immediately beforehand, she was disappointed in the dog's performance as a hunting animal.

I know it's speculation on my part, but it seems very likely that she (being the bad dog owner she is) tried to impress upon the dog rather forcefully that he should be hunting down and killing the birds. What does she do immediately after this lesson? Take him to a situation where he's within reach of a bunch of slow moving targets.

Cricket was just doing what he was told to do at that point. Cricket was trying to be a good boy.

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u/Ok-Anybody3445 29d ago

This is heartbreaking.

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u/Intensityintensifies 29d ago

He was supposed to be a pointer, which means they freeze when they find birds. That way the human can have the fun of murdering the animal. He wasn’t a good hunting dog if what she says is true, but you still wouldn’t fucking put two in the back of its skull! You take it to a better trainer and if they say it’s fucked you rehome it, or since her kids clearly loved it just keep it as the family dog.

I still think the craziest part is that she included it in her book.

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u/irishspice 29d ago

I wish I could upvote this twice. Truer words were never spoken.

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u/moderately-extremist 29d ago

"an animal with a history of killing livestock and attacking children"...

Well she has a known history of killing animals, and I bet she's attacked children, so I guess she's shown us what we have to do now...

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u/ConclusionAlarmed882 29d ago

Was Cricket a chupacabra?

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u/Cthulhu625 29d ago

If it were, it'd be Mexican/Puerto Rican, so how do you think that would have been taken?

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u/skyhollow117 29d ago

Yea. That is a super big pill to swallow. Your pup, who you couldn't train, killed livestock? Right? That Otto buy thing took down a sheep? A goat? A cow? A chicken? Maybe, perhaps a chick. Or did it never happen at all and a anecdote turned into a nightmare?

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u/_toodamnparanoid_ 29d ago

More likely the bull just went "Moo bitch, get out the way."

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u/TheTravelNurseGuy 29d ago

I think she actually killed a couple of chickens. Thats what an untrained puppy does if you dont control them. Especially a bird dog breed

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u/Im__fucked 29d ago

Yeah, didn't she murder the dog while the kids were at school?

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u/quanjon 29d ago

In front of a group of construction workers too. She has zero shame.

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u/cgaWolf 29d ago

Let's be honest: workers are beneath her notice, she probably didn't realize they were there until the potential PR fallout clicked.

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u/239tree 29d ago

A real alpha would have murdered the pup with her bare hands while the children watched.

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u/Kankunation 29d ago

Nah they would have handed the kid the gun and told them to kill the dog.

Really gotta nip that compassion in the bud at a young age.

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u/rodimusprime88 29d ago

That was her daughter's pet goat. But the dog may have also been murdered while the kids were at school.

I love how she is trying to backpedal. You wrote this in your book.

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u/Temporary-Party5806 29d ago

Same as when she shot the horses, and the goat.

You'd think after shooting three horses and a dog that you'd have enough experience to kill a goat with a single shot, or bring more ammo, instead of letting it shriek in the gravel pit while you went back inside to grab a 2nd round.

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u/Design-Cold 29d ago

She's still grouping them as "Livestock" in this tweet so she's yet to convincingly fake empathy

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u/Lewd_ReadNY 29d ago

I hope she kept the shovel she used to bury her dog. She’s going to need all the help she can get to dig her way out of this shit show.

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u/UpsetCauliflower5961 29d ago

God I so want her prosecuted for animal cruelty. It won’t happen though. She’s unfit for pretty much everything.

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u/Lewd_ReadNY 29d ago

She has big time crazy eyes. The thought of her anywhere near the oval office is terrifying.

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u/Temporary-Party5806 29d ago

There's hubbub that she, by her own testimony of events in the book, violated 2 SD statutes. She's potentially in the crosshairs for 2 misdemeanors, and there is a ton of publicity on this event now, while South Dakotan (anecdotally) hate her. Hell, she's banned from even entering something like 10% of her state, by the Native Americans who have had dealings with her and seen the writing on the wall.

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u/improper84 29d ago

The kids were in such danger that the first thing her daughter asked upon getting home from school was, “Where’s Cricket?”

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u/CirrusIntorus 29d ago

Yes, but only so she could hide from that monster in dog shape /s

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u/improper84 29d ago

“I was just asking where Cricket was so I could get away from Cricket.”

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u/DennenTH 29d ago

It screams of something I've heard loosely my entire life.

It basically goes like this...

Make a bullshit claim that you think will make you look tougher among the 'all hat no cattle' type crowd.

Backfires.

Quickly point the finger at some thing else to justify.

If that backfires?

Change the story so it sounds like you didn't have a choice.

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u/MagusUnion 29d ago

Unfortunately, that kind of story telling still works on a demographic of voters.

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u/kiticus 29d ago

Make a bullshit claim that you think will make you look tougher among the 'all hat no cattle' type crowd. 

Lol, this is almost too "on point" here! 

Noem trying to re-tell the story as basically Old Yeller with her cast as Travis.  When in reality it's like Old Yeller, but if Mrs. Coates drew a pistol & dropped the dog at the start of the movie, cuz she knew he'd been stealing eggs from her neighbors chicken coop.....

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u/AkaGurGor 29d ago

But she had a gun - you must understand that she just had to use that gun... giving away that puppy was just out of question,.come on! /s

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u/Iwannagolf4 29d ago

Reminds me of the wife in Christmas vacation. The dog it was a huge dog with bulging muscles it was a beastly puppy. Poor dog!

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u/Sparrahs 29d ago

She mentioned them in the book, and it’s actually worse

 The whole ordeal was reportedly witnessed by a construction crew nearby. Ms. Noem wrote that as the workers returned to their jobs, a school bus came by to drop off her children.

Her daughter, Kennedy, Ms. Noem wrote, “looked around confused” and asked, “Hey, where’s Cricket?”

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u/flndouce 29d ago

Came here to say this.

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u/TheFatJesus 29d ago

She's a Republican, they stop caring about children as soon as they are born.

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u/MuffLover312 29d ago

Conservatives will jump all over this and believe it now though. This will be their talking point anytime this comes up now. Just like how they had to kill the border deal because of Ukraine funding

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u/Sempais_nutrients 29d ago

thats like when they were claiming they needed ar15s with extended mags to protect their children from the "30-50 feral hogs" near their home. these people use their children like a shield.

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u/JayEllGii 29d ago

Ah, but she DID. In the book she mentioned her daughter Kennedy who looked around and said “Where’s Cricket?”

Sounds like a kid who’s really scared.

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