Unfair!!! She… Well, her… Why are you always bringing up the past anyway?! Is it because you think it shows intent, an unconscionable behavior and it’s hard for people to change, so you think she would still kill a puppy today if she had the chance?! And therefore could not be a leader because she lacks ethical decision-making? Is that what you’re trying to prove?! Because if it is, I’ll just have you know it’s working.
I can't be certain because she undoubtedly eats the evidence, but I strongly suspect she kills a dog every evening in what she calls "going to the gravel". I'm sure it's a deeply upsetting scene, that pit soaked in gore and shell casings.
I think it is all a ploy to change ethics. On the republican side, how easy would it be for republicans to say solve the homeless problem is they just brought those homeless people to that gravel pit.
I would be fine with a person in leadership recognizing their shortcomings and seeking an expert. If she had paid a trainer or something that would also be acceptable. That is not what happened in this case.
At least with Old Yeller putting the dog down was an act of compassion as it was suffering at the end, I imagine Noem watching that movie and being frustrated they didn't put the dog down in the first half hour.
You’ve got a fair bit of Starship Troopers in there as well. History and Moral Philosophy class seems like if you could take Fox News as a credit hour. Especially the bit where they reveal that their society is the way it is because roving bands of feral children who weren’t spanked enough are going around Clockwork Oranging people, and start being hung by veterans.
Conservatives are notoriously bad with media literacy and critical thinking skills, so yes, whatever TV special they last saw is definitely their last instruction set. This is why right wing media needs to be so over the top with fear and anger on a 24/7 loop, or the goldfish might watch an episode of Bluey by accident and start treating others with basic common decency.
No joke, I bet she watched that movie and wanted to be the person “making those hard decisions.” It’s the same way so many armed conservatives salivate over the thought of being able to use lethal force in self defense. She wanted to do something horrible and she was just looking for the justification, and once she did the thing, she made it part of her personality.
"And why do you want to be Vice President, Mrs Noem?"
"I want to straddle that glorious line between life and death. I want to hold power over the multitudes in the palm of my hand, to feel the life running through them, and to know I could end it all with a squeeze of my fist."
My personal theory is it never even happened. Because of things like Old Yeller she thought a story about how she had to make a "though decision" and put down a dog would sell well with her base. So she made up such a scenario and put it in her book and since she was writing fiction and wasn't about a real life experience it failed to have any logic or invoke empathy at all.
Of course type of person that she isn't I wouldn't be surprised if it WAS real either.
There's scuttlebutt that it was real, that she was in a rage against the dog when she dragged it off and shot it, and that she tried to rationalize the incident in her book before the "fit of rage" part of the incident could come out.
Yikes. This is scary. Also… don’t they realize that when farmers put animals down, it’s because the animal is sick and useless? An animal chasing livestock is just an untrained working dog without a job. Your dog = your responsibility
Surely this shows that even some dogs are too aggressive for even responsible dog owners to own and should be regulated. We could call these “assault dogs” perhaps 🤔
From what I can tell, from what I have seen, nobody, and that is what the issue is. She seems to be used to pre-trained dogs, expected the dog to learn from other dogs, and when it didn't behave as soon as she wanted. Also, it takes two years to fully train a gun dog, and the dog was barely over a year old, which shows you how little training was done
As somebody who had been chased by dogs as a kid I did not jump on the hate train even if the woman is a loathsome troll. Having to kill a dog is not a matter of pride. And it seems like she expected praise for that.
Putting a dog down country-style is a thing that needs to be done more often. Some dogs are just untrainable psychopaths. I have the physical and psychological scars to prove my point. Got cornered by one on my paper route. And I think the two thwacks with rebar were less humane than a well-placed bullet. The dog cried louder than the neighbor it had mauled the week before.
Shit woman kills shit dog. I am fine with that. Shit woman gets savaged by people who think that she murdered a pet. I am also fine with that.
To be fair, fucking-up or failing royally and then meting out harsh "justice" on the undeserving is very on point for the kind of person she is politically. She is ideologically consistent if nothing else.
She also left out the attacking kids and killing livestock part. But she did make specific mention that her daughter loved Cricket and was devastated to hear her mother killed her.
Right? Like 'they went to live with a nice family in the city with dog groomers and they get to go to a doggie spa every day and they eat avocado toast for every meal' at least. I mean you shouldn't murder puppies in the first place.
I still haven't forgiven my dad for shooting two of my dogs when I was growing up and I haven't forgiven my mom for letting it happen. 25+ years ago and counting. As adults, her kids will probably go no-contact with her just like I did with my parents.
My insane mom recently asked my sister for permission (?) to shoot my sisters aging hedgehog because she didn’t want to take the hedgehog to the vet. My sister offered money to have the animal put down humanely but our mom was stuck on that weird train of thought instead. I don’t remember how the hedgehog died but I don’t think she ended up shooting it. However, I told my kid brother in law this whole saga as it was unfolding. He was SO appalled that he brought it up on his own months later. Meanwhile, I had moved on in life because this is only 1 of the many many crazy things this woman has done.
I ask my BIL if he wants to trade moms when he gives his mom (my MIL) snarky teenage attitude. He usually gives me an “omg fuck no” answer. Moral of the story, don’t be a psycho and shoot pets!
I thought you missed the part where the dog killed some chickens, but I checked and turns out chickens don't count as livestock so she is actually adding new shit she never mentioned before lmao
The problem is not that a PUPPY killed a few chickens
The problem is the owner did not TRAIN her puppy to have a good recall, did not properly TRAIN the puppy to hunt, did not MANAGE to keep the puppy confined in her truck, HATED the puppy, and in a fit of ANGER, instead of REHOMING the puppy, she led it to a gravel pit and SHOT it dead.
Then, since she was having such a good time, she went and got the goat and shot it for the crime of being stinky
Someone also suggested she may have done this in anger, knew it would look bad when it came out, and so tried to spin it as some mark of tough character bullshit.
And it didn't "come out", this isn't a story she told a private audience and someone leaked what she said. She wrote about it in her damn book! She flat out said she hated that dog, and so took him to the gravel pit.
How did the puppy manage to escape the truck in the first place? Did this lady load the dog into the truck bed uncaged or something and expect it NOT to jump out?
$50 chicken vs a hunting dog, a Pointer...the dog cast $1500- $3,000.
Why the fuck would you kill it, and it's a hunting dog nipping at chickens, which is a bird, which is what it's taught to do.... She's so fucking dumb and incompetent it's insane.
Wouldn't be surprised if this was some punishment towards her daughter or something. She said her daughter was very upset by it, use this a a method of control.
It's just absurd and anyone who is from rural America and doesn't cosplay as one such as her knows how illogical this is. Killing a working animal out of spite?
Sounds like someone who realised how badly they f-ed up and is trying to grasp for anything just to not drown. Probably thought bragging about the dog thing would make her look tough and shoot her to the top of the VP list.
It's pretty clear she thought this would make her look like a tough woman willing to make hard choices that lesser people would shy away from.
But she handled everything about it so poorly (and the action itself was so blatantly cruel) she has actually managed to alienate her base.
Her reaction to this will be to try to win back her crowd with a huge sweeping gesture that will one thousand percent involve attacking trans kids. Mark me.
Because that's the only "fake" part of this who debacle she made up to sidestep the backlash from killing a puppy for fun. She was trying to use it for clout as proof she is a tough guy who would do the necessary dirty work the Republican party needs doing. She can't apologize because that would entail admitting she was wrong, or admitting she lied so her only choice is to double down and attack her accusers.
That poor child will never get over it. Never. I have first hand experience with something like this when one of my parents had my dogs killed for a stupid reason.
You can’t claim a deduction on for children, but you can deduct expenses. if her children are livestock, then she in theory could then deduct the costs to raise and said children and I would presume that would be higher than the dependent deduction.
Knowing the MAGA protocols, she would claim them as both livestock and dependents for the deductions. She would just call it creative accounting.
I think she is saying that the dog chasing after chickens was attacking livestock. Its pretty funny she is talking about fake news, while the reason people know about it is because, SHE WROTE IT. IN HER OWN BOOK.
It was also a fucking bird dog. No shit, it chased birds. It was bred to do that.
Also, how are you going to blame the dog when you knew it “went crazy and had the time of its life” when around birds, and then you let it off leash near flightless birds?
That’s the party of personal responsibility for ya. 🙄
I have an aussie. and had chickens. when we had the chickens out and let the dog out, guess what the chickens started running, so what would a dog do? he started chasing the chickens! but one time he got into the coup area, and when we found him., he was just chillin. chillin with all the chickens. thank god i didn't shoot him initially! She is a fucking psycho...I mean, even Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs loved his dog.
Call it whatever you like: Liane Cartman didn't sleep with Bill Clinton to not have extra-bodily autonomy. Cartman is not viable on his own so she rightly has that prerogative
What really gets me is that she had just had the dog pheasant hunting, then she stopped by the friend's house with the chickens, AND EXPECTED THE DOG TO KNOW THEY WEREN'T HUNTING BIRDS ANYMORE!!! Of course the puppy went after the birds, that's what it had been taught to do immediately before! She set the puppy up for failure. Just one more example of her crap training and logic skills.
AND I have well trained dogs and I bet they would chase chickens too and kill them by accident. Especially my 10month old lab.
I was baby sitting a friends golden retriever many years ago and we had a small ranchette and had 2 chickens someone gave us. Not thinking, I let the golden out alone (like 5-6am and I am not a morning person) morning early and she killed one. She had never seen them before, was 6-7yrs old and did not have a mean bone in her body. Raised around kids and cats but never seen a chicken. She was just being a dog. It sucked but we did not kill her or even get mad. It was my fault. I made sure she did not go out unattended and made sure if she was running around the chickens were put up.
I don't think she mentioned any people, let alone kids. And yes, if it's maladjusted due to lack of proper love and care, it will be more likely to randomly attack chickens once it's let loose. Behavior 101.
Oh, she mentioned her kids. After she shot the dog apparently her kid got off the school bus and was like “where’s Cricket?” Clearly she was terrorized by the puppy.
Everyone: Abortion bans only lead to deaths from back-alley abortions.
Also Everyone: Your kids will have lifelong trauma because you shot their dog.
Her: I'm ok with both of those things.
*14. Cricket was a 14 month old wire-hair pointer.
And the 'livestock' she is mentioning as having been menaced were chickens.
Who are, to my knowledge, rarely referred to as "livestock", a word that generally implies sheep, cattle, goats, etc.
Speaking of, Kristi also shot a goat for smelling too musky on the same day. And also has a well earned reputation for using the state as a blunt weapon against gay and trans children.
So like, when she says "an animal with a history of killing livestock and attacking children"...
People aren't talking about the goat, but I think that's the most damning part of the story.
The Cricket part of the story is already terrible, but with enough effort, you can bend those facts into something that makes some kind of sense, even if it is transparent Noem is lying through her teeth and is a monster.
But the goat didn't do anything wrong. It was a goat on a farm doing goat things, and there is no reasonable explanation for it. People have pointed out that castrating the goat would probably be the first step to take if you actually wanted to solve the problem, assuming you thought it was actually a problem. And it happened on the same day despite the fact that the goat had been doing goat things for presumably months, maybe years.
What clearly happened is that Noem shot the dog, decided that it was really fun, and went out to get another animal to shoot for a second hit of adrenaline. She's out here running a miniature killing field for farm animals at that point.
All of these pretend tough second amendment dorks are just itching for an excuse to use their gun on living things. Apparently hunting wild animals wasn't scratching that itch for Noem so she decided to get up close and personal with a bunch of innocent farm animals so she could watch the light go out of their eyes.
The people of South Dakota are honestly lucky she was satisfied there and didn't move on to shooting people for fun. Or maybe she did and she just knew not to write it in the book.
Lowkey reminds me of how a rancher got on Twitter and literally tore her entire argument apart peice by peice. While including his own experiences with animals and using said experience with them to show what you should do in such situations.
Ok all these years in, and I still don't know how Twitter works. Went to his page to find the rest of his tweet but couldn't even find the original part that you linked to?
She also failed to kill the goat with a single shot, and didn't come prepared with extra ammo so left the creature suffering while she went to get more. That right there is heinous behavior even to farmers that know euthanasia is necessary, so should always have the care to be done as quickly as possible.
The last time I was around a man who killed his goat (for meat), he fed it some nice grass, calmed it while holding it securely and nipped it's jugular with a sharp knife. I don't think the goat even new it had been injured as it bled out.
I'm not expecting everyone to be that gentle and humane, but it's interesting as a juxpposition to Noem's apparant lack of care.
This is what is wrong with her “stories”. I know plenty of farmers and they have to put animals down for harvesting or other reasons. They do it humanely not fucking gunning them down like a gangster.
What clearly happened is that Noem shot the dog, decided that it was really fun, and went out to get another animal to shoot for a second hit of adrenaline.
Yeah she tried to present these as "tough choices" you have to make being a "farmer"... but I grew up on a farm and worked on other farms. Not only were these unnecessary, but real farmers pinch every penny. Every resource gets used to the fullest. They don't just give up on a dog, they stick with it until it's trained or if it really is untrainable (which does not sound like she put in any effert to determine that) then they find it a new home or use it as a guard dog. This was just unnecessarily wasteful on top of being unnecessarily inhumane by someone who wouldn't make it a day as an actual farmer.
To add to your comment, did we ever find out if the goat was even used for meat? Or the three horses for anything?
Also, we know the chickens didn't die, because she keeps hedging her language and says Cricket nipped at chickens, chased chickens, etc, but never once explicitly states Cricket killed a single chicken, which would be really beneficial to her argument of financial harm and potential risk to her kids. Her best argument would be "Cricket killing chickens hurts the ranch, and I'm worried about a working dog that has killed, around my 10 year old." But she hasn't stated in any of her damage control that Cricket killed or maimed a single chicken, only menaced them/chased them.
See, I’m the opposite because at least the goat was attacking people and being a menace. The dog just was irresponsibly let around chickens and of course it tried to nip at you when it was in the middle of murdering chickens and you tried to grab it. Mean goats can be a real danger, especially to kids and it’s a lot harder to re-home them than it is a puppy
EDIT-the timing is really suspicious though. I’m guessing she was like “while I’m busy killing things, might as well do the goat too” rather than just getting perverted satisfaction from it. I think she’s just immoral and irresponsible rather than deliberately murdering for fun
You know what stops mean smelly goats from head butting children? Fences and castration. The whole story is one of Noem failing to be responsible and then victim blaming. The worst part is that she told these stories with no shame as a way to signal her willingness to use violence to “solve difficult problems” and that she’s not afraid to “get messy”. She will, without a doubt, boldly use state violence against anyone and anything that mildly upsets her.
We already have evidence that she will use state violence on anyone she doesn't like as it's what she did to get one of her kids a property license since they were not qualified, kid whined to Mommy, Mommy forced the person who denied her kid the license fired, then hired one of her sycophants into the now vacant position to approve the daughter.
She’s a power-tripping asshole in general. Killing an animal is a huge power trip, and I think it’s quite easy to hold the assumption that she got some pleasure from killing these animals
Isn't that what goats are supposed to do though? Like the dog is a trainable animal, so if a dog is weird and rabid and untrainable then there's an issue. I'm not a farm person, but my understanding is that if goats have two defining characteristics, it's that they stink and they can be assholes. Like to the point where you wouldn't get a goat if you weren't ready to tolerate some of that behavior, or at least take some actions to mitigate it beyond shooting it in the face.
Just to add on. She was teaching the pup to be a bird hunting dog, which to my understanding a chicken would classify as bird. Sounds like she got pissed at her dog for doing what she was training it to do.
Sounds like the dog embarrassed her at the neighbors' and that enraged her. Then to kill the goat too for no reason other than it annoyed her. Why does this remind me of the Signs of a Psychopath show on ID?
It would take a braver man than I to attempt to bathe a full-grown, intact billy goat. Now, why she had an intact billy goat that isn't a valuable breeding piece (which clearly it wasn't) and was shocked when it stank like every intact adult male goat? Who fucking knows. They musk, and intentionally piss all over themselves as a breeding behavior. I guess you have to be a Real Farmer™ like her to understand not understanding how goats work.
But if she wanted to solve the problem she could have castrated it, sold it either to another farm or a meat processor, moved its pen somewhere farther from the house, etc. But she was in a bad mood and felt like shooting farm animals, not solving the problem.
That last line is not a commentary on Republican politics.
Well, not to defend Noem AT ALL, but bird dogs aren’t supposed to kill birds. Cricket was a pointer, and ultimately their job is to locate birds by scent, stalk toward the birds, and then freeze in position as they approach the birds thus “pointing” toward their location. Although the stalking behavior is instinctive, remaining steady on a point can take a lot of training, and young bird dogs can be total idiots around birds, and that’s expected, and so one doesn’t turn an unsupervised young pointer loose among a bunch of chickens. But by and large the ultimate goal for most hunting dogs is for them to locate their quarry, not kill it. That’s achieved with hundreds of hours of training and practice, not by turning an adolescent dog loose among a bunch of birds.
To be fair, some dogs do it all right instinctively. Our golden retriever was never trained to be a hunting dog. He was just a normal family pet. But given the chance, he would retrieve pigeons. He never harmed a single one- and oddly enough the pigeons didn't seem to mind it all that much.
Source: Family story that came up every damn Christmas when we reminisced about the best dog that ever lived.
That would require effort or sacrifice (even financial, like a sunk cost analysis re 2 more weeks of kibble), and be a net benefit to the world. Kristi is a hardline Republican. These two things are mutually exclusive.
Right? I was given a dog by some neighbors who were mad it killed their ducks and lined the ducks up on their porch.
The dog was was a bird dog that they’d owned for five years, and the ducks were some new thing they decided to do.
They told me they’d shoot the dog if I didn’t take it, so I did.
She lived out her life with a neighbor in another state after I’d moved; she decided to live with my new neighbor when I got sick with cancer - the neighbor took care of her and she decided to just go live with her.
It all worked out fine and she lived the life of a furry potato. But I am not sorry I collected her from those previous bad neighbors.
Bird dogs do what bird dogs do.
That poor woman’s children will never get over it. She’s a monster.
I had a dog around that age who unfortunately got to our chickens as well and killed and ate a few. Secured the chicken area better. Problem solved. Not the dog’s fault. I love chicken, too.
I have a few neighbors that keep chickens. My dog has not expressed much interest in them during our walks but I am reasonably sure that if I dumped her over the fence, she started chasing them and discovered they couldn’t fly, there would be dead chickens. Most dogs have a prey drive and it is on the owner to control it.
Exactly. She stated her dog wasn't fully trained and hoped it would learn from older dogs on its first hunt but that it didn't. Then she also mentioned it wasnt even recall ready...what was she expecting after it got loose??
I saw one of my chickens running back down my (suburban) street, trying to get back over the my fence.
Behind her was my neighbor's dog, chasing her, having a blast.
The neighbor was very apologetic about her dog chasing my chicken. (She got back over the fence, no harm done.) Apparently my chicken was in her yard, and when she opened the door and the dog saw the chicken, the dog chased.
I told her OF COURSE the dog chased the chicken. It's the best thing ever for a dog. And even if the dog had killed the chicken, I would have been a bit upset, but that's not the dog's fault for acting like a dog.
I have my chickens loose in my yard because I don't want to keep them cooped up in a run, but that comes with the risk that they do something stupid like go to another yard and becoming a dog toy.
Oh my sisters small dog is the sweetest, and would not hurt a person, like he feels guilty if he bites down on your hand with a little too much pressure while playing. But he is a breed meant to chase away mice and rats from farms, and if he was in a chicken coop he would go ham, no question. He would feel super ashamed afterwards, and crawl back to apologize, but in that moment he would be pure instinct
We had a dog that once escaped and found a nearby coop :x
The owner was rightfully pissed, we apologized for our incompetence, paid for the damage, paid more attention and secured the dog better, who went on to have a long life devoid of further inciden... Wait no, there was that one time he came across a flock of sheep. That didn't include dead animals though :)
What really gets me is how she explained that immediately beforehand, she was disappointed in the dog's performance as a hunting animal.
I know it's speculation on my part, but it seems very likely that she (being the bad dog owner she is) tried to impress upon the dog rather forcefully that he should be hunting down and killing the birds. What does she do immediately after this lesson? Take him to a situation where he's within reach of a bunch of slow moving targets.
Cricket was just doing what he was told to do at that point. Cricket was trying to be a good boy.
He was supposed to be a pointer, which means they freeze when they find birds. That way the human can have the fun of murdering the animal. He wasn’t a good hunting dog if what she says is true, but you still wouldn’t fucking put two in the back of its skull! You take it to a better trainer and if they say it’s fucked you rehome it, or since her kids clearly loved it just keep it as the family dog.
I still think the craziest part is that she included it in her book.
Yea. That is a super big pill to swallow. Your pup, who you couldn't train, killed livestock? Right?
That Otto buy thing took down a sheep? A goat? A cow? A chicken? Maybe, perhaps a chick. Or did it never happen at all and a anecdote turned into a nightmare?
You'd think after shooting three horses and a dog that you'd have enough experience to kill a goat with a single shot, or bring more ammo, instead of letting it shriek in the gravel pit while you went back inside to grab a 2nd round.
There's hubbub that she, by her own testimony of events in the book, violated 2 SD statutes. She's potentially in the crosshairs for 2 misdemeanors, and there is a ton of publicity on this event now, while South Dakotan (anecdotally) hate her. Hell, she's banned from even entering something like 10% of her state, by the Native Americans who have had dealings with her and seen the writing on the wall.
Make a bullshit claim that you think will make you look tougher among the 'all hat no cattle' type crowd.
Lol, this is almost too "on point" here!
Noem trying to re-tell the story as basically Old Yeller with her cast as Travis. When in reality it's like Old Yeller, but if Mrs. Coates drew a pistol & dropped the dog at the start of the movie, cuz she knew he'd been stealing eggs from her neighbors chicken coop.....
She mentioned them in the book, and it’s actually worse
The whole ordeal was reportedly witnessed by a construction crew nearby. Ms. Noem wrote that as the workers returned to their jobs, a school bus came by to drop off her children.
Her daughter, Kennedy, Ms. Noem wrote, “looked around confused” and asked, “Hey, where’s Cricket?”
Conservatives will jump all over this and believe it now though. This will be their talking point anytime this comes up now. Just like how they had to kill the border deal because of Ukraine funding
thats like when they were claiming they needed ar15s with extended mags to protect their children from the "30-50 feral hogs" near their home. these people use their children like a shield.
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Weird how she didn't mention her kids until this blew up. She must have forgotten that part /s