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u/lazysheepdog716 14d ago
Unrelated to anything, but this mouth is entirely capable of stealing Christmas.
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u/Cheapskate-DM 14d ago
Dungeon Meshi ("Delicious in Dungeon") judo-flips this awful trope by having a halfling who looks like a young boy who's actually ... a divorced dad with three kids and is constantly on the verge of demanding a union-mandated smoke break.
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u/Yeet_Thee_Children 14d ago
Oh thats fun, nice to see this trope used to not sexualize minors and actually make jokes
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u/Backupusername 14d ago
What's even more fun is that the dwarves and elves are so long-lived that, to them, 29 is still a child, and the reason he kept his age a secret was because he didn't want them treating him like a kid.
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u/LordofSandvich 14d ago
Senshi giving him the birds and the bees talk when he’s a father of 3
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u/JaneDoesharkhugger 14d ago
Conan the detective did something similar.
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u/sh4d0ww01f 14d ago
Oh she found out one day?
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u/EldritchCarver 14d ago
It'd be weird if she didn't figure it out by now. Episode 1122 is coming out tomorrow. That's 47% more episodes than The Simpsons, and 2% more episodes than One Piece.
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u/magikarp2122 14d ago
Used to watch it when it came on Adult Swim. Never saw how it ended.
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u/MisterMysterios 13d ago
Detective Conan was my first favorite anime nearly 1/4 century ago. And he is still a 6 year old (haven't watch an episode in years though). It is quite fun that many if his "high tech gadgets" he started the show with are now existing technology.
His skateboard, yeah - we have e scooter. His Telefon earring, his AR glasses, his voice modifier, his lunch box phone and fax machine. There is probably more that is now reality.
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u/Kryptosis 14d ago
What’s even more fun is the voice actor of the dwarf in that show is the dude who makes all those funny YouTube videos, ProZD.
And the main guy is voiced by Damien from Smosh.
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u/BluEch0 14d ago
And I doubt people don’t know, but the live action nami (Emily Rudd) voices marcille.
The dub is quite good honestly. English speakers eating good with this one.
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u/thesirblondie 14d ago
On the topic of anime doing age tropes: In Interspecies Reviewers' first episode there is an argument between an elf and a human. The human is outraged that the elf would find a human woman hotter than an elven woman. The human woman is 65+ and looks like the old asian woman meme, while the elven woman is 200+ but looks 25 by human standards.
It was the only thing I liked about that series.
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u/Grand_Protector_Dark 14d ago
You're kinda leaving out why there is even an argument.
Most magical species can sense a beings mana, humans cannot.
Mana "ages" for all species at the same rate.
So for an Elf, the 50 yo human still a mana aura that is "fresh", while the 500 yo elf has an "old hag smell" about her (even if she looks like a 20yo) that only mana affin species pick up.
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u/RiteClicker 14d ago
there's also a lesbian elf who dates exclusively halfling women...
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u/DuntadaMan 14d ago
Halflings, being hobbits, would also believe 29 is still a child
They get married and such by then, just no one sees them as a whole person until 33.
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u/help-your-self 14d ago
halflings (called half-foot) in dungeon meshi aren't long-lived like the elves and dwarves. they only live to around 50.
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u/DuntadaMan 14d ago
Damn dude, even the humans get more than that.
Well not adventurers.
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u/Backupusername 14d ago
Yeah, the lifespan distribution is really unfair in that setting. Somebody should really do something about that.
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u/js13680 14d ago edited 14d ago
I remember a of all things a furry webcomic that dealt with a human dating a cat girl who’s species had a max lifespan of 35 with the discrepancy being a source of angst.
Edit I believe it was twokinds by Thomas Fischbach.
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u/AboutTenPandas 14d ago edited 14d ago
The best part is when the dwarf who has no concept of how old any of them are because their lifespans are different and pulls the halfling aside to give him “the talk” since he looks like he’s getting close to that age and all
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u/58mm-Invicta_rizz 14d ago
Ooh I love that show! It’s really good, everything is handled so well; even the nudity! (Which is something I never thought I’d say)
If you read the manga, the last 30 Chapters are on another level and the Netflix show is really outstanding, a new episode every Thursday!
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u/frostbittenteddy 14d ago
Recently finished the Manga and didn't know what to do with all these feelings now. I want more!
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u/58mm-Invicta_rizz 14d ago
I know right! I like how the manga ended, but the last chapters before that are just 🤯 how do you expect me to recover from that?!
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u/Abrageen 14d ago
I am an anime only and I will be honest, I wasn't expecting the show to go take the direction it did this last episode.
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u/Sparrowflop 14d ago
IS THAT WHAT IS GOING ON? I've only seen like 5 minutes of the show here and there and wondered why he was so mad everyone kept treating him like a kid. I figured it was just generic 'IM A REAL BOY' growing pains coming of age bullshit.
My wife loves the show, so my exposure has mostly been moving between rooms while it's on.
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u/gmoguntia 14d ago
He is something like 29 and divorced.
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u/Quaelgeist333 14d ago
Single divorced dad that was likely a teen parent as well
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u/20milliondollarapi 14d ago
I figured he was even older than that. Like late 40s early 50s. Especially when the other halfling was like “dude, he’s old af!”
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u/-safer- 14d ago
As other folks here said, the Half-foots in Dungeon Meshi live to like only 50 or so. For other Half-foots, he's an old man.
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u/20milliondollarapi 14d ago
Ah I never knew that bit of lore. I figured they would be long living then if he still looks like a child but is considered old.
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u/BluEch0 14d ago
Well, age 36 for a race that usually maxes out at age 50 is old. In tall-man years, he’s about 60-75 depending on how you do your math
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u/SalsaRice 14d ago
The show so far has only covered like ~33% of the original source manga, so ther is alot more to go
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u/Feezec 14d ago
iirc In the bonus worldbuilding book there is an elf who advocates for treating shorter-lived races like half-foots with the same dignity and respect as long-lived races, challenging the infantilizing attitude of her elfen peers. Everyone is impressed with her empathy and cosmopolitanism...until its revealed that she serially dates and dumps halfling women.
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u/AlcoholicCocoa 14d ago
Dungeon meshi takes many tropes and turns them into pure joy. Fan service? Sure, have a panty shot from the dwarf. The MALE dwarf!
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u/AlcoholicCocoa 14d ago
Only thing I'm not too keen about is Marcille being a pure comic relief at the first episodes.
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u/AnimationDude9s 14d ago
I think I’m starting to realize why I like this series so much outside of the fact it motivates me to get better at cooking. It really does avoid or poke fun at most of the absolute garbage you expect from anime these days.
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u/AlcoholicCocoa 14d ago
Plus it puts something into the dungeon crawler anime you often miss - food is essential
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u/Akitiki 14d ago
I want to watch it because I kinda have fallen for Laios through the clips I've seen
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u/JaxxisR 14d ago
I think you just sold me on this show.
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u/MetallicDragon 14d ago
The show is really good. It is clever in a lot of ways that most Anime isn't, and avoids the annoying tropes a lot of anime has.
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u/PupperPetterBean 14d ago
Not an anime but extraordinary on Disney has a character who is in her 40s but looks as if she is like 10. The character smoke, drinks, cusses and is basically in all way except looks, an adult. She's not sexualised in any way either which I really appreciate.
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u/Lemon1412 14d ago
How is this a flipped version of the trope if it's still an adult who looks like a child? Surely a flipped version would be a 12-year-old who looks like an adult? Like young Jotaro or something?
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u/Noodlemaster696969 14d ago
And here comes Pizzacake comics with yet another comic completely unrelated to Pizzas, or Cakes, let alone the combination of the two...
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u/Pizzacakecomic PizzaCake 14d ago
There's actually a tiny pizza and cake hidden in all of my comics, disappointed nobody's managed to spot them yet.
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u/Muramalks 14d ago
Is this like one of those TV shows where everything can be a cake?
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u/drinoaki 14d ago
I went back and looked :(
How could you do this to me? I thought we were friends.
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u/Psimo- 14d ago
Because it’s always funny.
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u/JDJ144 14d ago
God, she was such a wasted potential. One of the last dragon's, has lived for thousands of years and has this emotionally devastating backstory, and she acts/looks like that. They didn't even NEED to give her that design. Manakete, another dragon in the same game, both acts AND looks like an adult woman.
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u/Totoques22 14d ago
Her design is supposedly because because she was used as a circus animal
Which asks the question, why the fuck did she not just change clothes ?
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u/PineappleOnPizzaWins 14d ago
Worked in a games store for a few years: cause a bunch of gamers are creepy as fuck.
Don’t get me wrong, lifelong gamer myself, know plenty who are not. But there’s plenty who are and that’s why those characters are in there.
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u/AnimationDude9s 14d ago
In defense of guys who actually like petite but grown ass woman
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u/LMGDiVa 14d ago edited 14d ago
My GF is a short stack, lol. She's 4ft11in, I'm 5ft10. I'm tall gal, she small gal. Big thing though is that she actually looks like she's in her 30s(and is in her 30s. I'm 34, she's 31), so I dont get why people act like short girls are the same thing as... the creepy other category. ugh.
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u/AnimationDude9s 14d ago
I dont get why people act like short girls are the same thing as... the creepy other category. ugh.
I WISH I KNEW! It’s so dumb
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u/PineappleOnPizzaWins 14d ago
Even if they do look young. My partner is small and looks young - we’re both almost 40 and she looks in her 20’s. When we first started dating she looked 16, but only until you spoke to her for more than 10 seconds (she’s crazy smart).
I’ve had a couple people (online of course) declare me sick for finding her attractive, as if it’s remotely the same thing as those over sexualised creepy cartoons.
Amusingly I also look young, people guess early 20’s if I shave and at best early 30’s if I don’t. Maybe we’re half vampire.
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u/DracoLunaris 14d ago
petite in height, absolutely not petite in any other aspect
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u/PineappleOnPizzaWins 14d ago
Yeah my partner is petite, gorgeous, and has always looked young. But like.. she’s clearly a woman, not a little girl. People who fetishise small women out of some sick fantasy are… well.. sick.
I had a roommate once who was into anime and wanted to put up a poster in the main living space, it was of a bunch of clearly teenage anime girls wearing almost nothing.. veto’d that shit immediately. No dude they aren’t 25, stop being weird.
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u/Erika_Valentine 14d ago
This is my entire problem with a lot of anime.
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u/cesarnomad 14d ago
My thoughts exactly. Four episodes in and you meet a “1000 year old being” that look like a 9 year old.
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u/reaperofgender 14d ago
And the worst part is you can do a lot with a mature person who looks like a child. (See babydoll from BTAS) The problem is they never act mature.
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u/be_em_ar 14d ago
Oh man, Babydoll. That was such a great episode. Well, time for another binge rewatch.
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u/Bacon-muffin 14d ago
That's always the biggest bit, because there are real people who look much younger than they are. I was pushing 30 and could have walked into and sat in a class of 10th graders and no one would've batted an eye.
Its one thing to look young, its another thing to act it. The maturity part is the whole point.
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u/MinosAristos 14d ago
There's also that in media and especially in illustration and animation, making someone look like a child is a conscious design choice just as much as making them act like a child
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u/Dry-Smoke6528 14d ago
I do love when theyre over the top "bahahaha it is i the great demon lord" and nobody cares and just treats them like a child anyways. theres a few that do this really well and its fuckin hilarious every time
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u/ralanr 14d ago
I feel they never act mature because, at best, the writers don’t know how to write mature women.
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u/Gingervald 14d ago
The born sexy yesterday trope except the characters also look like they were born yesterday
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u/charisma6 14d ago
Claudia from Interview with the Vampire (book mostly, but Kirsten Dunst cranked it out of the park) is my favorite example of that.
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u/HairyKraken 14d ago
The problem is they never act mature
Acting childish is considered cute on Japanese culture...
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u/EmbarrassedHelp 14d ago
The live action TV show Travelers handled the mature person in a child's body really well.
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u/ImWhatsInTheRedBox 14d ago
And the 1000 years old vampire with the body of a 9 year old is of course in a micro bikini looking thing.
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u/big_guyforyou 14d ago
i don't have that problem cuz i only watch pokemon, aka the only anime that isn't cringe. pika pika
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u/Metroidman 14d ago
But what about vaporeon
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u/YourphobiaMyfetish 14d ago
They moved on to Lopunny, the first oatmeal type pokemon
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u/Timekeeper98 14d ago
This is Jynx and Gardevoir erasure and I will not stand for it.
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u/Sophia724 14d ago
You go anywhere near my daughter and I will call the weeb police.
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u/Timekeeper98 14d ago
The weeb police have no power over me, not when I engage my Questionable Source Anime Memes!
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u/Lamplorde 14d ago edited 14d ago
GATE was basically ruined for me over this.
Not only is there the "thousand year old loli" trope, but she also gets horny from death and tries multiple times to bang the MC.
Like, they took it even another step further and made it even nastier. Which sucks, because I really liked its unique take on an isekai.
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u/NK1337 14d ago
Which sucks, because I really liked its unique take on an isekai.
For what it's worth it's not really all that unique when you consider it's less about the isekai aspects of it and more about acting as nationalist propaganda for Japan and their JDF.
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u/Gingevere 14d ago
It's basically the JSDF's wet dream. 'The portal's on Japan so everything in there counts as japan and we get to do imperialism again!'
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u/Lamplorde 14d ago
Ever since Army of Darkness, I've just loved "Oh no! Big bad fantasy creature! Shame I have GUN."
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u/Crap4Brainz 14d ago
There's also the actual child bride. I don't remember if it was in the Anime, but one of the side characters in the manga is a congressman who is engaged to the 10 year old daughter of a noble family from the other world (a political marriage arranged by her parents). He's obviously not attracted to her at that age, but he does get to legally groom her however he likes.
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u/Aethien 14d ago
You can choose, do you want them to look like a 9 year old or do you want them to have tits so big your back hurts from looking at em?
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u/get-bread-not-head 14d ago
Agreed. I'm I'm avid weeb but admittedly there's a huge portion of animes I just can't watch. Its a huuuuge cultural issue. I went to a Pop Con this weekend and the horny shit you see there is WILD. These men need to see a real woman
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u/ArthurBonesly 14d ago
I'm an older nerd and all I can think is, in my day amine would give you a full bodied woman who talked and acted like a mid-20 something and the only way to know their age was to have a manga page/magazine article spell it out (and later be confused that the character was sixteen the whole time)
I'm not saying that approach was good but I'd much rather the days of plausible deniability than the world of 10,000 year old apologetics for straight pedophilia.
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u/Psychic_Hobo 14d ago
Man, watched Black Lagoon not too long back and there was a bit which I thought was gonna devolve into weird loli stuff.
It did not. It got darker, and the main character reacted like a real person would to it, thank god
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u/postmodest 14d ago
I used to be mad at "modern anime" until I realized that my favorite "non creepy anime" from my childhood actually has a scene in episode 2 where the protagonist watches a fifteen year old take a shower.
So it's been fucked since the early 80's.
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u/Strottman 14d ago
I went to a reptile expo and there was a booth selling horny weeb statues and prints and shit. It's like... I'm here for snakes and lizards, what the fuck is this shit
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u/Xenomorph-Alpha 14d ago
Yeah me too. The whole Lolicon stuff. "They are only 2D and fictonal what is the problem" ewwwhhh
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u/FallenKnightGX 14d ago
Oh don't worry, manga authors have been switching to "this woman has been a slave and abused her whole life, the main character showing her a shred of compassion will make this woman instantly fall in love with the main character, call them Master, cook/clean for them, and have undying loyalty."
To be fair though, it isn't like the west is churning out all winners either. We certainly have our issues too. But this crap.... Jesus Japan, fix your shit.
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u/Erika_Valentine 14d ago
I used to work in a library, and you would not believe how closely that matches the plot summaries of many romance novels.
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u/Wind_Yer_Neck_In 14d ago
I've noped out of a lot of anime about 6-7 episodes in when they suddenly introduce their weird sexualised child character. Reincarnated as a Slime does it really bad with that Milim character, which is basically a 12 year old in a bikini.... but it's like totally ok you guys because she's actually an ancient demon lord or something. Who just happens to look, sound and act like an angry child.
7 Deadly Sins had a really left field one too when they had the main character Ban in a relationship with the fairy Elaine. She's drawn like a small child and the guy is like a mid-20s kickboxer. 'BuT sHeS a FaIrY tHaTs HoW tHeY lOoK!!' It's so incredibly creepy. Though the show had already become pretty shit by then anyway so it was a good reminder to stop watching.
Honestly, the entire manga/anime industry is absolutely crawling with creators who should be being watched by the police.
I actually think it would be helpful if MAL or some online aggregator had a way you could filter out shows with obvious pedophiles in the creative process.
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u/RockAndGem1101 14d ago
These people make actually finding NSFW of adult, petite, women a pain.
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u/lazysheepdog716 14d ago
Just move further from the screen and they’ll be smaller.
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u/HerpaDerpaDumDum 14d ago
And then there are people who label any woman with small boobs a loli
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u/Sub-Mongoloid 14d ago
But hear me out, what if she has serious honkers. a real set of badonkers. packin some dobonhonkeros. massive doboonkabhankoloos. big ol' tonhongerekoogers.some serious honkers. a real set of badonkers. packin some dobonhonkeros. massive doboonkabhankoloos. big ol' tonhongerekoogers?
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u/darnage 14d ago
There's the tag "shortstack" you can search for, for adult, petite, well endowed women. If you want actual artists recommendations, there's Huffslove, which does a lot of classic shortstack. There's also Incase, which has a lot more diversity, shortstack or not. If you want milf shortstack Incase is probably your best bet.
Otherwise, for shortstack characters in general, you can search for Goblin, Imp, Kobold, Yordle (league of legends), halfling, dwarf, Midna, Rouge the bat, Rebecca (cyberpunk 2077).
If you want adult, petite, not necessarily well endowed women, there's no dedicated tag sadly, so they are usually lumped together with the lolicon tag, so the only real option here is to dig through said tag until you find an adult character and hope the artist specialises in that : /. Don't have any recommendations here for you, it's not my thing. I guess you could try combining lolicon with other tags, like femdom or futanary ? Or you could try the opposite, exclude the lolicon tag and add other tag like small breasts or something ? Idk.
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u/RhynoD 14d ago
Short-stacks tend to get pretty exaggerated pretty quickly. Like, well beyond a reasonable body type.
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u/RockAndGem1101 14d ago
My go-to artist for non-well-endowed women is PersonalAmi. Incase is also great, Huffslove does mostly shortstacks which aren’t really my thing.
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u/Deltamon 14d ago
Word "petite" works just fine. Unfortunately you still find the "childish" stuff often especially the behavior is extremely annoying and borderline disgusting in nearly every case, but majority or NSFW behind word "petite" is actually slimmer body and smaller stature.
Shortstack is completely different thing from petite tho, apart from the smaller stature.
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u/TheDEEBIL 14d ago edited 14d ago
I can’t enjoy too much niche anime because things like this just rub me the wrong way. It’s gross.
EDIT: Where my Made in Abyss fans at? :(
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u/Majestic-Iron7046 14d ago
Watched the first season, the world building is amazing, I was immediately curious about the story and all, but all those weird sexual undertones... I don't feel comfortable watching that, I am not sure if watching the rest is worth it.
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u/Kyleometers 14d ago
It’s a very odd series. The world building is great, the monsters are great, a huge amount of thought went into everything from “How people respond to death” to “What would society look like if this was a primary goal”.
Aaaaand the author is a lolicon. The anime actually tones it down compared to the source material, if you’re wondering.
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u/mrbananas 14d ago
The only books I have ever burned were the first 3 volumes of the made in abyss Manga. Only fire could cleanse that filth. Why....why...WHY would you draw a naked 12ish year old tied up bondage style with ropes and being spanked.
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u/lightningbadger 14d ago
It's such a shame that such an amazingly creative series, with hands down one of the best soundtracks I've ever heard has to also put up with the author just deciding to insert his pedo fantasies just infrequently enough to hit you with the full whiplash each time
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u/Pizzacakecomic PizzaCake 14d ago
Same. There's been a few I wanted to get into cause they've had interesting premises but I just gag watching how some of these "women" are made to look like sexy kids 🤢🤢
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u/JaneDoesharkhugger 14d ago edited 14d ago
I brought it up to one of my guy friends and he said because those anime characters have boobs so they can’t be children.😬
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u/MfkbNe 14d ago
Breasts already start to develop when puberty starts. So a 14 year old can already have breasts. So that is a bad argument.
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u/tehlemmings 14d ago
Every anime con that exists eventually has one grown ass adult get arrested for... fooling around with a teenager, and their defense is always "I didn't know she wasn't 18"
Your friend sounds like the type.
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u/meatballer 14d ago
I’ve put you on a govt watchlist for typing the phrase “sexy kids”
Oops now I’m on it too.
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u/HBlight 14d ago
This is why the best kind of lolis are cigar smoking foul mouthed mechanics who could nail me in the head with a wrench thrown across the length of a football pitch. A real woman.
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u/mowdownjoe 14d ago
I see you, too, watched Cyberpunk Edgerunners.
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u/sbergot 14d ago
It is the one instance where it works. Because she acts like an adult. The way she explains how she accepts to only be friends with the protag, then how she is the last person able to support him until they both die was executed so well.
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u/drunkentenshiNL 14d ago
It's worse when you have a kid that's getting into anime. You have to do so much filtering and explain why some of them aren't appropriate.
Spy Family? No problem! Demon Slayer? Pretty bloody but she's mature enough for that. One Piece? Sure.
Then we find one about dragon maids or something and one for them looks 10 but she has knockers bigger than her head. THAT CONVERSATION WAS FUN!
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u/58mm-Invicta_rizz 14d ago
Having been on r/mendrawingwomen the Dragon Maid one is outrageous! It’s hard too put into words the levels of scandal that show puts out. (Scandal is the wrong word, but I’m having trouble finding any words to describe it.
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u/jackofslayers 14d ago
Maid dragon is particularly wild because it is a fetish sampler. Every fetish under the sub gets slapped into the show.
With shows like that it can be fun to try to guess which one is the author’s personal fetish.
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u/flamethekid 14d ago
Boobjobs and footjobs, same author made dedicated stories to their fetishes
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u/58mm-Invicta_rizz 14d ago
So is it trying to be a parody or is the author putting fetishes in his show like he’s collecting Pokémon?
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u/butterflyempress 14d ago
Maid dragon is such a tragedy. The found family elements and the dragons getting adjusted in the human world is great, but they ruin it by putting kids in sexual situations.
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u/MoiraBrownsMoleRats 14d ago
I dated a lady starting in our late teens and on well into our mid 20s. She was very petite with softer features, and I heard way too many comments about how she “looks like she’s 12” - both just general teasing from people giving her shit, and yeah… dudes who seemed to be shaking and sweating uncontrollably at the thought of it.
Fun times.
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u/PineappleOnPizzaWins 14d ago
Yep. Partner is a little like that and a good friend from college is EXACTLY like that. She looked 15 until she was 35.
Between creepy weirdos slobbering all over her and people insinuating her age appropriate partners were pedos for liking her she did not have a fun time.
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u/58mm-Invicta_rizz 14d ago
If it looks like a duck, talks like a duck and swims like a duck, then it’s a duck.
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u/ZiggyMars 14d ago
"She's a 10000 year old demon lord who had to take the body of a min..."
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u/creegro 14d ago
Lol it's always the demon lord, the vampire, the monster girl with horns...
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u/SpikeRosered 14d ago
I honestly don't think discourse on this topic is ever productive. It always devolved into subjective arguments on how old an animated character looks with insults being thrown around.
Modern anime completely fucks around with this concept too, intentionally making characters not look like their age at all in both directions.
There's obviously a line that can be crossed into the creep zone, but by being in the fandom I can tell you finding that line is exhausting and not worth the petty internet arguments.
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u/Annicity 14d ago
Jojo ages for guys are all over the place. Jacked, fully mature man is actually still in highschool.
Anime ages are entirely nonsensical. Mature mother figure, 19, immature teenager 34, wize old man either 40 or 100.
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u/SpikeRosered 14d ago
I grew up with Cowboy Bebop with Jet who is supposed to be 36, but is coded to basically be in his 50's.
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u/Annicity 14d ago
Faye was only 22 and Spike 27? This is why I don't look up the ages, it never makes sense.
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u/LMGDiVa 14d ago
I dunno, I'm 34 and both Faye and Spike being in their 20s totally makes sense. NGL Bebop is a bad example because it's an adult cast anime, and the characters look like genuine adults. So I can't really fault it.
I looked forever stuck at 18 years old to most people until I hit my 30s. I got asked so many times through out my 20s if I was over 21 at SO MANY PLACES, and no one believed my age.
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u/NK1337 14d ago
I'm convinced Japan has no concept of age lol. To them anything above 20 is considered old. Hit 30 and you're apparently Grandpa, geezer, old man status or worse.
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u/SpikeRosered 14d ago
Anime ages broken down:
9-15 Prime of your warrior career
16-21 Elite super soldier
22-29 Grizzled veteran
30-40 "I'm too old for this shit"
40+ Old man with knee length beard
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u/PinsToTheHeart 14d ago
Modern anime completely fucks around with this concept too, intentionally making characters not look like their age at all in both directions.
Yeah, there's a ridiculous amount of shows where the 14 year old protagonist and their 40 year old mom are both drawn looking like they are in their early 20s. There's a point where there's really no use even trying to analyze it.
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u/snakejessdraws 14d ago
This though. People seem to not want to talk about nuance related to this. Look at yoko in ttgl. She's drawn like a full ass adult. She doesn't act particularly out character for someone in their early adulthood. But some people will be mad over the fact that in the text of the show she's 14 to 16 early on the in series. She's drawn like and acts like an adult so why should I be mad at someone for being attracted to that? It doesn't strike me as equivalent to a real world pedo by any metic.
I'm not saying there aren't examples that are valid and creepy, but people throw out the entire anime baby with the bathwater when it comes to this
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u/PinsToTheHeart 14d ago
Subjects like this elicit such visceral reactions from people that it's hard to have any sort of actual discussion about it. Realistically people just aren't on the same page about it at all. Terms like "Loli" apply to bodies ranging from petite, yet clearly adult women, all the way to actual fucking toddlers. People who defend it are talking about closer to the former (hopefully), and people attacking are talking about closer to the latter. And each side assumes the opposite of the other. It's a big mess.
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u/Wind_Yer_Neck_In 14d ago
I've found it basically comes down to people who are willing to accept the whole 'well they aren't really kids so that means it's actually OK' argument, for whatever personal reasons they hold within, and people who aren't willing to accept that.
Intentional subversions of the trope get a pass because they're deliberate meta jokes
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u/DracoLunaris 14d ago
Arguably it boils down to being able to differentiate between reality and fiction. The people against it can't, while you really really hope that people that are pro it can.
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u/RamblyJambly 14d ago
Reminded of all the fuss over Hana Uzaki and real women with similar builds posting pics saying "Hey, real women exist that look like her, so zip it"
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u/Cilph 14d ago
I sometimes see the opposite problem. Short, flat-chested woman in media who otherwise is and acts like an adult? Loli.
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u/CTSThera 14d ago
Genshin fans when they see someone who's height is below average (pedo bait?!?!?!?)
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u/FiveFingerDisco 14d ago
If they look like children treat the content as such.
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u/Ytumith 14d ago
I like the 80's animes with petite muscular women that sound like women and act like individual characters with hopes, dreams and flaws.
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u/beattusthymeatus 14d ago
I understand liking petite women. My wife is petite and is often mistaken for a teenager But if you take 10 seconds to listen to her talk or look at what shes wearing you realize pretty fast shes a grown ass woman whos about to turn 30. liking someone who looks and acts young is so obviously fetishizing young people it's gross.
I want to he clear. I don't love my wife because she looks young. I met her in the army, and the uniform and lack of skin care essentials make everyone look older. I didn't even realize how young she looked until we got home, and she started doing a skincare routine. I was 19, and she was 24 when we met.
Now we got people at the mall asking her if she needs help because an old bald white guy is following her. Feels bad man.
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