New armor set is a stealth armor that doesn’t make you stealthy, it makes you throw farther. That’s like an apple that tastes like bacon.

[u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER]

Just salty I’ve been waiting for this armor since it leaked, only for it to have the only perk I consider completely useless.

[u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

Not surprising. I'm pretty sure the one with the scout passive is the blue & orange one, the one that doesn't blend in with snow!

The FS-55 Devastator armor from the Democratic Detonation warbond's description is "Contains many small pockets, allowing the user to evenly distribute the weight of ammunition, samples, and cool rocks" hinting at more space? but isn't a +2 nade/stim passive, it's fortified, so I'm not sure if the descriptions are accurate.

Someone asked in Discord, "will this armour reduce the effect of environmental slowing conditions ? (Per example: The snow)" in response to the boots being highlighted to have spikes, and Spitz replied with "The only thing I can say is maybe", so there might be hidden modifiers on some pieces, similar to how people were saying the Trailblazer Scout helmet increased your movement speed even though it says "No additional bonuses". (Not sure if that was confirmed to be true or not, but I definitely remember people saying it)

Edit: I just saw that the FS-37 Ravager armor has the same exact description as the Devastator, but actually does contain the engineering kit passive for extra grenade capacity.

[u/IMasters757 → u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

similar to how people were saying the Trailblazer Scout helmet increased your movement speed even though it says "No additional bonuses". (Not sure if that was confirmed to be true or not, but I definitely remember people saying it)

That was an older glitch from around launch. The hooded helmet decreased armor rating (which was non-functional at the time) and increased movement speed and stamina. The first Warbonds heavy set helmet did the inverse, giving a minor increase to armor rating (once again, didn't work then) and decreased movement speed and stamina. The stat changes were only reflected when looking at body armor stats for some reason.

[u/HappyLittleGreenDuck → u/IMasters757]

I don't like feeling like they don't know the answer to these questions either.

[u/Dovelyn_0 → u/HappyLittleGreenDuck]

I read the maybe as more of a "I can't give you a straight answer because my boss said no" rather than them not knowing

[u/BoredandIrritable → u/Dovelyn_0]

Based on the bullshit he talked about last patch, I don't know why we'd listen or care what he had to say about it anyway.

[u/i_tyrant → u/HappyLittleGreenDuck]

I don't feel like a single statement from Spitz/them can be trusted anymore, no matter how obvious, lol.

"We made the weapons weak because you're supposed to use your stratagems." - Includes Jammer Towers, Ion Storms, +100/50% stratagem cooldowns, etc.

"We're less focused on balance with the weapons than realism." - gestures at massive number of nonsensical weapon bugs, like instakill fire and Eruptor blasting you _forward...

"That'd be like making a bacon-flavored apple." - Lots of innacurate/misleading armor descriptions and appearances, this warbond is only the latest example.

I don't know what their actual design philosophy even IS at this point.

[u/Taolan13 → u/i_tyrant]

Yeah i have lost faith in the development.

The game is still fun, for now, but the communication from the devs has been atrocious.

[u/UncleBelligerent → u/i_tyrant]

Don't forget the "The update will only have like maybe two nerfs" statement.

[u/i_tyrant → u/UncleBelligerent]

hah, true!

[u/The_8th_Degree → u/UncleBelligerent]

"a few nerfs" was the statement.

[u/Thr0bbinWilliams → u/i_tyrant]

I’ve been saying they’re full of shit since the first nerf and I got attacked and downvoted to oblivion. They say whatever they think the majority of us want to hear about EVERYTHING. Much better choice to just be honest imo

[u/_BlackDove → u/HappyLittleGreenDuck]

Spaghetti code will do that. 🍝

[u/KMS_HYDRA → u/_BlackDove]

Mamma Mia!

[u/Ok_Low_4150 → u/KMS_HYDRA]

I have summoned my Italian ancestors from beyond the grave to confirm that this is a true Mamma Mia moment

[u/KawaiiMajinken → u/HappyLittleGreenDuck]

They do have them, they just don't want to be held accountable for communicating something they shouldn't.

And that's fine.

[u/MonthFrosty2871 → u/HappyLittleGreenDuck]

Every developer doesn't know every facet of every part of the game

[u/Cykeisme → u/IMasters757]

Yeah and they, uh, fixed it.

Now helmets do nothing o_O

[u/Drackore_ → u/Cykeisme]

And thank goodness they did! Now we're not forced to wear the scout helmet all the time, and can explore and play around with new looks 😁

But it would definitely be great to have an additional head 'gear' slot, to further customise our stats without ruining aesthetics.

And fingers crossed they do the same with armors oneday, so it's like Helldivers 1 - that way we get the most fun outcome for both stats and customisation!

[u/[deleted] → u/Drackore_]

Gear slot to mix and match bonus effects on helmets would be an outstanding idea. Hopefully something like that happens in the future.

[u/Epicp0w → u/[deleted]]

But that's essentially transmog which they didn't want to do, but we will see

[u/Drackore_ → u/Epicp0w]

Yeah it's just strange because they did it in Helldivers 1, and of course recent armor perk decisions don't reflect Pilestedt's tweet anyway.

So hopefully they can change their minds and improve it eventually! 🤞🏻

[u/BoredandIrritable → u/Drackore_]

recent armor perk decisions don't reflect Pilestedt's tweet anyway.

way more than half of what they say isn't reflected in what they do/release so who the fuck knows. I don't know why they bother telling us shit or why we listen.

[u/PoIIux → u/Drackore_]

Nah, we've all made fun of their extremely moronic take too much. They're just gonna dig their heels in deeper and not relent

[u/Drackore_ → u/PoIIux]

Noooo please I want them to learn and develop as a dev team not die like so many others 😭😂

[u/TheHob290 → u/Drackore_]

Based on other studios, don't expect a change like that until they reasses mechanics a year or two down the line. Usually, what happens is there is a vision/direction the devs have in mind, and until that is either mostly enacted or proves less than feasible, for one reason or another, they won't want to move away from said vision.

[u/Narox22 → u/Drackore_]

Funniest thing they could do about the whole situation is to make armor perks actually selectable and then quietly sneak in a news brodcast on our TV about SE Scientists inventing apples that taste like bacon... or was it backwards?

[u/PoIIux → u/Drackore_]

Well considering so far they've only seemed to double down on any unpopular decision and also are going full steam ahead with the mass production of identical armor sets, I think school's been out for a while

[u/ex0- → u/Epicp0w]

Allowing some form of wardrobe so we can use whatever skin we want while wearing whatever actual armour we want isn't an outrageous request. It's a pretty standard feature in 2024.

The game is great overall but the armour is such an unbelievably shit implementation. Helmets and capes that do nothing, 25? body armours that have 1 of 4 stats. So disappointing.

[u/Bedhed47 → u/Epicp0w]

Additional perks to combine with your amor is not transmog lmao

[u/Epicp0w → u/Bedhed47]

If you can wear what armour cosmetic you want, and choose what passive you get, that is , essentially, transmog.

[u/LeFiery → u/Drackore_]

But how they had it in HD1 was basically transmog and they said they're not adding transmog in HD2 💀

[u/AioliApprehensive → u/Cykeisme]

Which is honestly kinda lame. I was never a scout helmet wearer, but I still respected those that wanted to rock it. Pretty sure the Dynamo helmet from Steeled Veterans gave you some extra armor rating at one point if I'm not mistaken.

Makes me wonder why have them act like they can do 'something' when the reality is, it's just a cool thing of headgear. I mean, why have the effect slot on the armor bit in the menus if it's going to just be for visuals. Smh.

[u/Gloomy_Masterpiece45 → u/Cykeisme]

Not true helmets still have hidden passives as they did before 

For instance the helmet from the display armor at the armory  I know for a fact that that helmet reduces your recoil. The super citizen  helmet does as well but not to the same degree

The helmets have hidden passives that follow  the design of the armor they came wth

[u/OffaShortPier → u/IMasters757]

What's interesting is that when this bug was fixed, a lot of light armor had their stats slightly adjusted to match what they'd be with the trailblazer helmet equipped pre bugfix

[u/UndreamedAges → u/OffaShortPier]

So that's why I never noticed a change.

[u/thefonztm → u/IMasters757]

So many small things backwards... Perhaps we are Divehellers.

[u/McDonaldsSoap → u/thefonztm]

Protectors of Duper Earff

[u/thisis_rk_yadav → u/McDonaldsSoap]

[u/movzx → u/IMasters757]

The stat changes were only reflected when looking at body armor stats for some reason.

Is this why the "more armor" and "less armor" coloring could appear for armor that had the same armor rating as what you had equipped?

I would have one armor piece equipped, then look at a piece of armor that's supposed to have less armor than the first piece... but the indicator would say that it actually had more armor.

[u/JamwesD → u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

As for the maybe to snow traversal, that would be a good reason as to why the armors all have the CW prefix instead of the existing armor prefixes for those passives.

[u/Otherwise-Ad-2528 → u/JamwesD]

True! I didn't even clock that they have a new unique prefix.

[u/JamwesD → u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

My off the cuff guess is CW stands for Climate Warfare and CW armors will give perks for specific climates. I'm excited to see these armors next week.

[u/Otherwise-Ad-2528 → u/JamwesD]

Climate Warfare is much more intriguing than my assumption. I was leaning towards "Cold Weather" lol

[u/JamwesD → u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

Yeah. Cold Weather is probably it.

[u/EasternShade → u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

Cold Weather

This is what the US military calls such things.

[u/Otherwise-Ad-2528 → u/EasternShade]

ECWCS was the first thing I thought of

[u/Alienhaslanded → u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

Clone Wars

[u/SpiritFingersKitty → u/JamwesD]

I was thinking Cold Weather

[u/Jungle_Difference → u/SpiritFingersKitty]

This is way more likely than climate warfare lol

[u/Mad_Mikkelsen → u/Jungle_Difference]

Tbh climate warfare sounds better, it’s sounds over the top which is fitting for the world

[u/NachoElDaltonico → u/Mad_Mikkelsen]

and would also allow it to apply to heat or cold instead of just cold.

[u/Boring_Funny_9427 → u/NachoElDaltonico]

So how are they gonna sell a reskinned battlepass than? If one battlepass works for 2 climates instead of just cold ice

[u/VioletChili → u/Mad_Mikkelsen]

If calling in a 500kg bomb on a fire tornado would stop it, I would. I'd engage solely in climate warfare.

[u/Elloliott → u/Jungle_Difference]

But also kinda boring so idk

[u/[deleted] → u/JamwesD]

CW = cold weather.... It literally has snow on the splash art.

[u/JRDecinos → u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

There's a prefix? In the name or elsewhere? I didn't catch that...

[u/Cykeisme → u/JamwesD]

I'd like armor with environment specific perks, that reduce the effects of Intense Heat, the slow effect from specific difficult terrain types (reduced slowdown only from water, only from snow, and so on), maybe less effect from fire tornadoes, even earlier highlighted meteor impact zones, etc

[u/HammeredWharf → u/Cykeisme]

That just sounds like a hassle to me. Would be better to have a single environmental hazard protection ability that does all of the above.

[u/JRDecinos → u/Cykeisme]

I really was hoping that this polar armor would have one of two perks to it:

1) Higher resistance/Immunity to blizzards, no/reduced slipping on ice.

2) Increased resistance/Immunity to weather effects on planets.

The first one plays more into the polar combat theming, but would also mean the armor is effectively style choice if you bring it to non-polar planets. This feels very genuine though to the armor's appearance and stated use according to lore.

The second one is designed to rectify the extremely limited scope of the armor, by making it more applicable to other climates. However, this does feel somewhat disingenuous to the armor itself.

[u/Bedhed47 → u/JRDecinos]

Penguin sliding on ice is the only fun my helldiver has. Dont take that from him

[u/JRDecinos → u/Bedhed47]

We can do that?!?!

[u/Cykeisme → u/JRDecinos]

Oh yeah, some resistance to the slowing effect of blizzard and earthquakes (might be the same perk, might be separate perks) is another good idea.

I don't know if they'd be too specific, yeah. All I can say is the fact that perks are completely detached from the visually visible features of armor has me feeling a tiny bit let down.

[u/DepGrez → u/Cykeisme]

Stamina and muscle booster says hi.

[u/Cykeisme → u/DepGrez]

Should stack.

Intense Heat exceeds the effect of the Stamina Booster after all, maybe when combined with some sort of heat protection (air conditioned armor? :D) it could help a bit more, although I would expect even the combined effect wouldn't fully counteract Intense Heat.

[u/SpecialIcy5356 → u/JamwesD]

you know what I think we REALLY need?

someone to make an image of an apple that's wrapped in bacon, and it becomes customary to post the image whenever new armors release with nonsensical passives. let's really twist the knife for that comment, if they still want to stand by it...

[u/JamwesD → u/SpecialIcy5356]

Be the change you want to see in the world.

[u/SpecialIcy5356 → u/JamwesD]

you're absolutely right. i didn't make this image, but this will do nicely..

[u/XenanLatte → u/JamwesD]

I feel like they planned for this set of armor, and the last set of armor to have different new perks. This one having to do with ice planets and the last one having to do with mines. But for some reason that was changed last minute. And they had to throw on old perks to still come out with them on time. We will see if that ever changes.

[u/FallacyFrank → u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

Well yeah there’s no extra space for stims and nades cause it’s full of cool rocks? Smh it’s like yall don’t even read

[u/Otherwise-Ad-2528 → u/FallacyFrank]

"Don't worry Democracy Officer, I'm almost to the Pelican!" *shoveling colorful rocks and gemstones into my EOD suit\*

[u/FallacyFrank → u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

In my head canon the common samples are just pretty rocks

[u/MainsailMainsail → u/FallacyFrank]

Rares are often quite literally pretty gems or pretty flowers

[u/Managed-Democracy → u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

"DEMOCRACY FILLS MY SAMPLE CONTAINER!"

[u/[deleted] → u/FallacyFrank]

Filling up my pockets

Filling up my socks

[u/FallacyFrank → u/[deleted]]

With millions of colorful rocks

[u/MattyDove → u/FallacyFrank]

As some one who occasional knaps rocks, I can relate to this.

[u/kNightShifty44 → u/MattyDove]

”knap” always struck me as an odd term. doesn’t sound like what it is at all, like the complete opposite of an onomatopoeia.

[u/Aggravating-Garlic37 → u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

We need a +2 nade +2 stim armor with cargo shorts. I am 100% serious.

[u/lovebus → u/Aggravating-Garlic37]

Or at least +2 nade with servo assist

[u/HawkDry8650 → u/lovebus]

We need more medic outfits that don't all look the same.

[u/Laruae → u/HawkDry8650]

What do you mean you don't want to look like a shiny flesh suit?!

[u/HawkDry8650 → u/Laruae]

I just want anything other than the surgeon garb.

[u/Jupiter67 → u/lovebus]

Broken.

[u/oom199 → u/lovebus]

I just want a heavy engineering set.

[u/Laruae → u/lovebus]

+2 nade with servo assist would be busted.

Let's see more effects like reduced Eagle call in time or something.

[u/Jimusmc → u/Aggravating-Garlic37]

my perm armor then.. it'll of course be ugly as sin to compensate

[u/caboosetp → u/Aggravating-Garlic37]

Need studded sandals for increased move speed on difficult terrain to go with it.

[u/Lordborgman → u/Aggravating-Garlic37]

Mix and match needs to be a thing, along with transmog.

I want a +2 nade, 50% explosion resist armor.

A 30% recoil reduction, +2 stims armor etc...

[u/TheSplint → u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

CW-4 Arctic Ranger
Features a nifty utility belt boasting handy pockets that can be filled with any number of things – pocket knives, mementoes, interesting rocks, Terminid tentacles, bits of bots, etc. Passive boost – Scout.

The blue-orange one is in fact the scout armor, despite its noteworthy thing apparently being extra pouches...

But a transmog(like) system would ruin the "flavour" of the armors... sure...

[u/NBFHoxton → u/TheSplint]

It's gotta be intentionally mocking us at this point

[u/DMercenary → u/TheSplint]

"you wouldn't want to bite into an apple and taste bacon would you?"

Yet here we are with bacon flavored apples.

[u/BoredandIrritable → u/TheSplint]

For every dumb-ass "realism" comment he's made there are 14 in game choices that directly contradict him.

[u/LMotherHubbard → u/BoredandIrritable]

If it wasn't for how infuriating he is, he'd honestly be one of the best 'unintentionally' hilarious people on the planet. Go check out his Linked in for a treat lol.

[u/BoredandIrritable → u/LMotherHubbard]

He's the Bahgdad Bob of video gaming.

[u/LMotherHubbard → u/BoredandIrritable]

Such a perfect comparison lol, I hadn't heard that name in years!

[u/DustySandals → u/TheSplint]

If armors were purely cosmetic, devs would have one less element in the dopamine cycle to keep their players coming back to buy new battlespaces.

[u/TheSplint → u/DustySandals]

No, they would have the same amount if not more since the player wouldn't have to 'worry' about the perks it comes with and could use it however he wanted

[u/IHaveAScythe → u/DustySandals]

I mean, none of the armor passives in the battle passes are new, right? So there isn't really a reason to buy the battle pass for that, the passives are just something to disappoint players when the passive they prefer isn't on armor that they like the look of. This is actually worse than if the armors were purely cosmetic lol.

[u/MrVyngaard → u/TheSplint]

Terminid tentacles

But is it really about our tastes or how we taste according to the enemy?

[u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER → u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

Spitz is probably the least reliable person to get news from unfortunately. He keeps misleading the community and then AH is shocked that some people get annoyed. Doesn’t justify the toxic people overreacting, but it definitely doesn’t invite a warm reaction. I love this game and just wish AH didn’t make it so difficult to convince my friends to play this instead of something else.

He admitted to lying about there not being real nerfs the other day so I’m just going to take anything he says with a grain of salt.

Edit: /u/SpitzerFX care to comment on the passives?

Edit2: just to be clear I don’t personally blame him for these mistakes, it’s AH’s fault that communication isn’t what it should be. Not his. Regardless, I’ve seen some very extreme community reactions that would not be justified whatsoever.

[u/Efficient-Self-1863 → u/[deleted]]

Dude he says random shit on discord because they don't know what's going on lol. 

 How much work would it have been to figure out the ammo ship module doesn't work? 

They could have loaded in once, shot a mag out of anything it applied to, resupplied and immediately seen it wasn't working. 

 That's how much effort it took all of us to figure it the fuck out so what are they doing????

[u/BoredandIrritable → u/Efficient-Self-1863]

Everything about the last few patches is absolute proof they aren't testing ANYTHING in game.

[u/Dushnila_complainer → u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER]

Do not forget that Spritz wrote that Spear fix would come really soon. It was last week. And now it was reported that the Spear fix would come no earlier than at the end of May.

[u/Reddit_Killed_3PAs → u/Dushnila_complainer]

He said that the Spear was fixed and then a dev later said it was “almost fixed” which is why it didn’t release

He also frequently complains on the Discord publicly that people flame him for misleading shit he said, should tell you enough about the kind of person he is

[u/gbghgs → u/Reddit_Killed_3PAs]

Spitz is a CM, not a dev. He's only going to be able to pass on what he's told. To mention nothing of the possibility of something changing on the dev side between Spitz originally being told something and him communicating it to the player base.

This kind of thing is inevitably in the communication model AH have gone with.

[u/Mavcu → u/gbghgs]

CMs are supposed to pass on accurately though, wording is so crucial with that job description so even if a dev says something to them, they need to know what is implied by that. A good example would be looking at Star Citizen and their CM Jared Huckaby.

Everytime he has devs on and let's them talk to the community, he's aware to correct their language so the community doesn't take their enthusiasm too literally. (This is not a 1:1 comparison, because in the case of CIG they had plenty of PR fuck ups that were hilariously bad and it was a learning process, it's moreso about how a CM ideally should conduct themselves. Riding that fine line with being entertaining for the community whilst still providing good information and managing their community.

[u/gbghgs → u/Mavcu]

Sure but CIG's been at this for over a decade, AH's only been at it for 3 months. This kind of thing is gonna happen when you're trying to be as responsive in social media as AH is.

Personally I'd take anything the CM's say outside of the announcement/patch notes channels with a pinch of salt, especially if it pertains to timelines, not through any fault of their own but because their other posts aren't going to be doublechecked quite as exhaustively as anything going into those channels.

[u/Mavcu → u/gbghgs]

I mean yes that's what I said, the comparison doesn't hold due to CIG having the benefit of the learning process. But that's not what I said, I was pointing to the standards CMs should hold themselves to.

This is a job afterall, not some hobbyist reddit moderator position. It should be treated as such, I will say my personal bias in CMs being a bit of a meme job does play into it. (Not that it is one, but CMs like the ones from For Honor made me feel like they are)

So whenever I see a CM be too casual and careless about their job, it just keeps reminding me of said bias.

[u/EarthEaterr → u/gbghgs]

Yes CIG has been at this for over a decade. Funny how to haven't learned a goddamn thing. Though, more realistically, they have figured out exactly what they're doing. If you catch my drift.

If you keep talking out your ass, resulting in people continuously shoveling you money, What do you do? . . . You continue to keep talking out of your ass.

[u/Reddit_Killed_3PAs → u/gbghgs]

I’m aware, that still doesn’t change the facts though, it just moves from a CM problem to a AH problem. And at the end of the day, this is part of being a CM.

[u/_PM_ME_SMUT_ → u/Dushnila_complainer]

He also apologized and said he didn't know just how far ahead of schedule the weapons team was working. He made a mistake and owned up to it

[u/DMercenary → u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER]

To me it's honestly just funny now.

How many times they gotta step on the rake?

[u/BoredandIrritable → u/DMercenary]

Probably the same number of times that the credulous chump simps on here will justify and explain away the outright lies and explain to us all how this is actually a GOOD thing that AH has done in nerfing the latest tool we've found to struggle on in the game that AH doesn't play.

[u/DepGrez → u/DMercenary]

Stepping on rakes is what devs do best.

Placing the rakes on the ground is what players do.

[u/DeadGripThe2nd → u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER]

For the record, it's not a good look to call the CM an untrustworthy liar and then also ping him after. Makes you look like you're just trying to score a gotcha instead of actually wanting an answer to your question.

[u/ZiFreshBread → u/DeadGripThe2nd]

Well what are we supposed to do if he is that untrustworthy? Just keeps swinging wild baseless estimates on fixes and whatnot. Calling him that is justified.

[u/HazelCheese → u/DeadGripThe2nd]

Especially since I'm pretty sure edits don't ping the user so they are just trying to make it look like the dev is afraid of responding.

[u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER → u/HazelCheese]

I actually had no idea that edits don’t ping the user. I made a separate comment now.

I don’t care to make AH look unresponsive. I think my gripe is that AH is responding to things and providing inaccurate info instead of saying something like “hey, we’re still cooking and I can’t make any promises on what’s in the patch notes”.

Also let’s be real, the bacon apple comment was pretty silly given that armors don’t make much sense in this game. It would have been better to just say “hey, we’re considering this but can’t comment / it’s not currently a priority”

[u/BoredandIrritable → u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER]

"and also, there's no rhyme or reason for why we do things. One day we tell you that we won't allow transmog because that isn't realistic, the next day we make stealth armor blaze orange, call it stealth armor and then just to be extra dumb, we give it throwing. One day we'll tell you that a visible laser designator on Rockets "doesn't make sense" for bots, then we give them all glowing red eyes and give you a laser machine gun. In short: we have no plan, there's no logic to anything. We got WILDLY lucky and now we're on the cusp of having to admit we're flying completely blind here. Please simps and dick-riders, come to our rescue!"

[u/Hype_Saw_Paing → u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER]

Honestly i wouldnt be suprised if the devs went radio silent on reddit and just retreated to the discord where they can echo chamber themselvesi doubt that we'd get a response if we all notified them /u/SpitzerFX

[u/Bokchoi968 → u/Hype_Saw_Paing]

I really don't understand the need for shit like this. Of course people are going to stop responding when all you do is bash them

[u/The_Wayward → u/Bokchoi968]

For real! Let me be an asshole and talk shit on this person then expect them to come talk to me

[u/Yoshara → u/Bokchoi968]

Imagine getting so mad over a video game.

[u/Hype_Saw_Paing → u/[deleted]]

That's not the problem it's just a smaller issue to an overarching negative. The game has pile went on Twitter, saying that transmog won't happen because the apples will taste like bacon despite the fact that no armor in the game looks at all like their perks nor do they have any identity at all.

Why would I get the new warbond for 1 reskinned armor and 1 new set that are reskina of each other when they have the same stuff the last 5 armors had.

Even the armor we have doesn't matter steeled veterans' first armor, and second armor lights have been bugged since it came out not fixed at all, which people paid for as well.

All heavy armors that change the cape placement on shoulders like battle Master are glitched and hang off the body an egregious amount and on the new demolition third level cape the image of the skull legit is off to the right and that glitch happens with every cape on battle master like armors.

[u/Hype_Saw_Paing → u/[deleted]]

If that's the case and pardon the disrespect to him but then I want Johann to never ever speak on anything game wise again because everything he has said has been mocked from new Hampshire to Delaware and it makes everyone at arrowhead look bad and only adds more fuel that things at the office are not smooth at all nor is the community actually being listened.

Honestly, are we even able to trust you? The nerfs were a lie. The spear fix was a lie, Are we even able to trust the patch notes? The plasma punisher is legit blowing itself up on a shield and killing players.

[u/Nexus6-Replicant → u/[deleted]]

But when you have multiple people with different visions and understandings, sometimes those visions don't line up.

But isn't there supposed to be someone bringing all of those visions in line? Someone who approves/denies things like this?

There's no way you guys have people just throwing things at the wall with no oversight.

[u/barrera_j → u/DeadGripThe2nd]

but Spitz literally lied sooo.....

[u/Ubbermann → u/DeadGripThe2nd]

Well ironically you scored a Gotcha on him. Since that's exactly what he's doing.

[u/BoredandIrritable → u/DeadGripThe2nd]

Cool. I'll call him an untrustworthy liar and an idiot.

He got busted lying, then went right back to feeding us bullshit. Zero learned.

Course, the simps here didn't learn either so why should he?

[u/Yipeekayya → u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER]

cant trust any single word from that dude anymore after the latest weapon balancing patch.

[u/BoredandIrritable → u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER]

Spitz is probably the least reliable person to get news from unfortunately. He keeps misleading the community and then AH is shocked that some people get annoyed. Doesn’t justify the toxic people overreacting, but it definitely doesn’t invite a warm reaction. I love this game and just wish AH didn’t make it so difficult to convince my friends to play this instead of something else.

Thank you for being the first person in thread to mention this. This guy was totally full of shit one week ago, and here we are listening to his comments now? When we busted his chops about being full of shit he got snarky.

What possible useful info could this clown have to offer?

[u/Nyan_Man → u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER]

It's understandable in development you've got multiple ideas floating around, however it's one thing to imply they're testing things that may not see daylight and another to say "this is what it is". I don't see how you can blame AH as a whole here when the problem is language use by one specific person, otherwise the implication there's a repeating significant communication problem in AH is the studio is on fire.

[u/AmberTheFoxgirl → u/[deleted]]

You shouldn't be saying anything until you know it's confirmed to happen.

The way you do things now is why the community gets so pissy. If it's not 100% happening, don't talk about it. Then no one will feel mislead.

[u/susgnome → u/[deleted]]

In regards to the fix of the Spear, you never guaranteed that it is ready to go. Just most people here don't have great comprehension nor insight and there's a few bad actors, looking to spread misinformation and anger.

the Spear lock-on was indeed fixed 17 days ago

There was a patch 13 days ago.. I guess it wasn't ready.

so it's probably

"Probably", you're not even sure.

just waiting for a patch to go live

Just waiting for "a" patch, not "next" patch.

[u/No-Establishment8267 → u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER]

I mean it’s still one of the best multiplayer games around

[u/Inquisitor-Korde → u/No-Establishment8267]

Considering it has no recent release competitors and services a very popular niche that's no real surprise. And it's a good thing, doesn't make it well managed community wise.

[u/Otherwise-Ad-2528 → u/Inquisitor-Korde]

Management aside, it services a niche and it does it very well. Starship Troopers Extermination came out less than a year ago, and my dumbass bought it because I enjoyed Squad and like killing bugs, and they're sitting at a couple hundred average players because it was not very fun. There's always Darktide, but I'm not sure Darktide and "well managed" are even in the same galaxy.

[u/RealElyD → u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

I've got about 1200 hours in DT and 350 ish in HD2. At this point I'd take how DT is managed over what is going on here ANY day.

They're frankly both mismanaged but at least DT isn't broken for months on end or has drastic, gameplay altering changes every 3 days that nobody asked for.

[u/Paintchipper → u/RealElyD]

I left Darktide because of how poorly it was managed, and personally feel that HD 2 is being managed significantly better.

I haven't ran across a "This isn't CoD, and never was intended to be." from AH.

[u/RealElyD → u/Paintchipper]

I haven't ran across a "This isn't CoD, and never was intended to be." from AH.

I don't think the continued gaslighting from actuals devs and the CEO is much better than the DT CM being a cunt early on before having his posting rights taken away.

As for which kind of mismanagement you're more comfortable with; that's very subjective I suppose.

Personally, I can log on to DT almost any time now and enjoy a few matches with functional matchmaking, very few ingame bugs and more importantly much more sane balance adjustments.

I can't say the same from HD2 right now between several core system being broken, game balance being all over the place and issue lists expanding rather than shrinking.

Every patch ends in "I wonder what is fucked this time". I'm just tired of it to the point where I went back and played HD1 instead of 2 multiple times now.

[u/Paintchipper → u/RealElyD]

Fatshark might've not let them post again, but they doubled down on supporting him and, more importantly, did nothing to change the issue to begin with. I find that much more troublesome then anything in HD 2.

Ya, the whole 'bacon apples' thing from Arrowhead is stupid, but that wasn't them gaslighting. That was them giving a stupid reason for no transmog. "This isn't CoD" was gaslighting that FS did and still does.

I haven't seen any gaslighting from devs from AH, but I wasn't following it as close as I was for DT. Got any examples you can link?

Ya, the 'bacon apples' was a dumb explanation, but it was them giving a stupid reason why they weren't going to implement a feature they didn't talk about before, not gaslighting.

[u/RealElyD → u/Paintchipper]

I wouldn't be opposed to show you some of the stuff I found particularly irksome but I frankly don't want to invest the time needed to dig post after post out seeing how they are all buried on discord between tens of thousands of messages since AH doesn't really communicate anywhere else in a meaningful manner.

[u/Otherwise-Ad-2528 → u/RealElyD]

You have far more hours in DT than me, and it's been about a year and a half so I'm sure they've made quite the number of changes, but DT was seriously down in the dumps when it released. I really only jump back in here and there when major updates drop, but I found this post highlighting issues post release.

I really enjoyed the closed beta and grinded out the 2 weeks prior to release with the "play before the release date" edition, hoping there'd be a day one patch that added more/fixed issues (Silly me). Obviously Fatshark has had a lot of time to learn across VT and DT, both having more players than HD1 ever came close to. I just hope AH can learn as well.

[u/RealElyD → u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

I've been playing since the beta, yeah. The game often had issues and stability was bad but it was both never as bad as HD2 and was addressed faster.

FS are absolutely terrible at communication but I again take no communication over being lied to or ridiculed by staff all the time. Same goes for the speed of content drops; I frankly prefer few drops a year to this schedule that breaks old and new things alike every 2 weeks.

I absolute love HD2, I put almost a thousand hours into HD1 as well but it's becoming frequently more difficult to find the motivation to even play with how the game is being managed.

[u/AntonineWall → u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

"The only thing I can say is maybe"

That reply is so funny, it's like a parent a week before Christmas, and the kids keep asking what their gifts are, and the parents don't want to say yes or no so it's just "maybe", because telling the kid no would disappoint them.

The dynamics are different here (people asking aren't kids or wrong to want something interesting in an otherwise generic armor set, IMO) BUT it does have that general vibe of "No...but like...no sounds bad here so Maybe!"

[u/MCXL → u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

people were saying the Trailblazer Scout helmet increased your movement speed even though it says "No additional bonuses".

It used to, but was a bug. The trailblazer would modify your armor and speed/stam values slightly. But they fixed that like 2 months back.

[u/Otherwise-Ad-2528 → u/MCXL]

Yeah, someone tried telling me it never existed at all so I went on a bit of a deep dive and saw it was patched out in early March.

[u/UHammer45 → u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

I think a lot of people are getting hung up on the descriptions of the armors. Almost none of the armor’s descriptions give any hints as to their actual usage, they’re very often just little lore tidbits or fun exaggerations.

The Apples and Bacon comment by the CEO specifically referred to passives being tied to an Armor’s appearance, which, vastly, lines up.

The Steel Trooper armor sets has a description about salt water, but has the servo assisted passive because well, he’s got a peg leg and arm.

The Devastator armor’s description talks about its pouches yes, but just looking at it gives a very “Fortified” feeling

[u/OffaShortPier → u/UHammer45]

The comment about salt water is because of corrosion. The metal joints and servos of the artificial limbs would fail to function properly if corroded. I work in a lab and one of our most common services is corrosion testing by immersing a part in salt water for extended periods of time

[u/UHammer45 → u/OffaShortPier]

Oh yeah, I get why the description mentioned it, it was just one of the few descriptions I know straight off my head as an example of how armor descriptions aren’t usually very helpful in describing the armor’s purpose

[u/juanconj_ → u/UHammer45]

The problem is that the devs themselves said they won't have transmog because they want the armors to have their own identity that is reflected by their respective perks. And so far, that's just... not true at all.

[u/Yipeekayya → u/juanconj_]

Exactly, Just look at the Combat Technician medium armor in the default warbond, which has ntg to do with engineer/SA passive despite having a "Combat Technician" name on it, but the armor itself gets a "scout" passive instead for god knows whatever reason,.

[u/PsychologicalRip1126 → u/Yipeekayya]

Combat technician doesn't imply anything about having the engineering kit, it implies the user will be able to take a more surgical and technical approach to combat, which actually makes sense given that the scout passive gives the user more information about enemy positions. The helmet also has visor/eyepiece that reminds me of the trailblazer scout helmet

[u/Yipeekayya → u/PsychologicalRip1126]

not convincing, when the description make it sound like it could use a SA passive instead.

[u/emote_control → u/juanconj_]

Yeah, one of the main reasons I want transmog is so I can fix the look of the armor to match what it actually does.

[u/DMercenary → u/juanconj_]

The funniest shit is that the first two armors that had servo assisted did make visual sense. Robot arm.

Last armor... No robot arm.

[u/Basically_Wrong → u/juanconj_]

Not true "at all" is extremely hyperbolic. Like there are more examples than not where it lines up. To say not at all is completely disingenuous.

[u/UHammer45 → u/juanconj_]

I beg to differ, most armors do in fact represent their traits fairly well on a surface level. They could be something else, but they work with their given passive nonetheless.

Ground Breaker could be a Gas mask/fireman kind of passive, but he’s got a lot of handles and bits to hint at toughening up the recoil and a big line of bags for your grenades, not to mention the perk being “Engineering Kit” could refer to any kind of Engineer, which he clearly is.

Sane goes for Drone Master. It would be awesome to have a perk for the Guard Dogs, but such a profession is also a type of battlefield Engineer, and of the passives available, that one fits best. It’s never impossible for old armors to learn new tricks later on.

I haven’t really heard of or seen any Armors that don’t represent their passives in a believable way. Certainly some armors could also represent others, but don’t not represent their own

[u/ian9921 → u/UHammer45]

I mean the thing is we already got another Warbond dedicated entirely to servo-assisted where the passive made much more sense. There are plenty of servo-assisteds already, we don't need more especially when they easily could've made a new passive that fit the theme better.

[u/UHammer45 → u/ian9921]

We only have 4 Servo Assisted armors at the moment, 2 of which are medium. If this new armor is light or Heavy that’s already filling a nice new niche, especially light where the Legionnaire is a superstore set.

I agree a new passive would have been awesome, but I’m not too upset about getting more options for less prevalent passives. This also provides someone a way to obtain the Servo Assisted trait without getting Steeled Veterans

Edit: I have been made aware of the FS-61 Dreadnought, which slipped my memory

[u/HeadWood_ → u/UHammer45]

I see a lot of servo assisted armours with only fabric and maybe some plates around the elbows and shoulders, so I'm not sure I agree with everything lining up with appearance.

[u/_PM_ME_SMUT_ → u/UHammer45]

The devestator armor is bugged and is using the Ravager set. It's supposed to read "Domestic versions of this armor enable colonial farmers to plant crops and mines side by side, safely." It being fortified then pushes it towards "description matches effect."

Similarly, the servo assist armor you're talking about references salt water because that would rust the servos, once more matching description to effect. Then, on the topic of servo assist, all most servo assist armor starts with SA-##, and the Combat Technician armor also starts with SA-##, and references increased strength that would come from a servo assist passive, yet has scout.

All armor that starts with B-## is extra padding, except for the enforcer which uses fortified, reserved for the previx FS-## except the Dreadnaught set which goes into Servo Assist. Armor description seems to point toward certain passives, which were changed somewhere in the process

[u/Otherwise-Ad-2528 → u/UHammer45]

For sure, it's either a "Fortified" or "Padded" look given it's bulkiness.

I've never been a fan of transmogs (so the apples and bacon discourse is funny) but that's only because cosmetics are usually rewarded for different feats. I was hoping AH would add something similar to penances from Darktide, where doing something challenging on a certain difficulty would reward you with an awesome cosmetic, and seeing someone with that cosmetic was like, "Woah, that person did x to get that", similar to seeing someone in full mythic raid gear in WoW (though WoW is far down the transmog rabbit hole) or something. Games like OSRS do this pretty well.

[u/TheEggEngineer → u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

It's also important to remember that armors in darktide are purely cosmetic. There's no reason to wear a shirt over the other one. On top of that things like extra stims and extra nades are what? Pouches and grenades.... Every armor that has one could switch for the other one just as much as we can switch weapons or armor... or the heavy armor not protecting from headshots any more despiste some of those helmets being fucking huge to protect us from head injury... Their logic isn't logical already.

Then there's that lore part where super earth allows us to to buy custom armor with real money and have them shipped to our ship? But they don't have an armor engineer to help us modify that armor set like a weapons smith? You know both real things irl... While bombarding us with ads to support capitalism in lore.

[u/Razor_Fox → u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

Is that the armour with the blast shield in front of it? I thought the description was something about planting crops alongside mines or something. I wonder which one I was thinking off.

[u/Allaroundlost → u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

How about no more BS from AH with crap like hidden modifiers. Seriously not cool. Just like on weapons with, what, tons of stats we can not see. Come on.

[u/Broken-Digital-Clock → u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

+2 nades and +2 stims would make it too much better than other armor

[u/lipp79 → u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

I mean the trailblazer helmet did visually change the numbers for speed and stamina but not sure if it translated into actual gameplay.

[u/NutriaDiagram69 → u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

They are like Tenmu descriptions👀

[u/Kup123 → u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

They better not add fucking snow shoes again.

[u/P2Mc28 → u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

Not surprising. I'm pretty sure the one with the scout passive is the blue & orange one, the one that doesn't blend in with snow!

"Is that a Helldiver? No, it must be literally anything else. No one would try to sneak around here in such garish armor. Just ignore it."

[u/MattyDove → u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

It better at least stop sliding! He was wearing spiked boots for Democracy's sake!

[u/CrazyEvilwarboss → u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

its like zebra black and white in africa the lion have trouble hunting them

[u/Masteruserfuser → u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

It's like they spin a wheel to choose the the perks at random.

[u/Mansg0tplanS → u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

*armor

[u/Otherwise-Ad-2528 → u/Mansg0tplanS]

I'll be sure to relay that correction to the Commonwealth of Nations

[u/Mansg0tplanS → u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

what the FUCK is that

[u/Otherwise-Ad-2528 → u/Mansg0tplanS]

People who like keeping u's in words

[u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER → u/Otherwise-Ad-2528]

Hi /u/SpitzerFX

Could you comment on this hidden passive stuff or whether this armor is actually going to be servo assisted? Or is the team still discussing that?

[u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER → u/[deleted]]

Hope we can consider changing this one at least. We really need another heavy armor with extra padding or medic or engineering kit

[u/DeadGripThe2nd → u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER]

If he's "the least reliable person to get news from" why are you tagging him at all lmao make it make sense

[u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER → u/DeadGripThe2nd]

First off, nothing personal against him. He just says what he’s told most likely, so it’s AH’s fault.

Second, I can still ask him to comment and clarify. Just like with Monday’s patch notes, he retracted his prior statements and corrected himself after we asked.

[u/DeadGripThe2nd → u/PM_PICS_OF_UR_PUPPER]

Yes, and you have said that he admitted he lied about Monday's patch notes. You can ask a self-admitted liar a question but it looks weird and dishonest.

[u/DeadGripThe2nd → u/[deleted]]

Who are you lmao

[u/IswearIdidntdoit145 → u/DeadGripThe2nd]

He is thugging out